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mircea_popescu: !~later tell andreicon re btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682416 see btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666245
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 14:31 andreicon: just looking around, i was actually thinking of switching from my current debian installation to something more exciting
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682405 << bwahahaha. teh old girlfriend is approaching 30, is she, time for a new one. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, splendid article. this is what articles should aim to be.
mircea_popescu: i am also suspicious of the 1 max 5 common best fix. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "The TCVCXO is good; but not quite up to GPS standard when operating un-boxed in windy locations. Blowing on it displaces the 10.000000 MHz crystal oscillator by around 1 part in 10 million or 1 Hz, which is magnified 150 times by the synthesizer PLL. This is enough to momentarily unlock the satellite tracking loops, if done suddenly."
asciilifeform: i suppose if you're found gpsing with one it'll be like the d00dz found with kalash where they drilled the extra hole.
asciilifeform: phf: the gnuradio sdr thing (receives AND SENDS!11) is also theoretically banned, but still sold ( 3 or so hundy iirc )
phf: that fpga receiver is also technically an illegal device. i don't know if that's in the same article, but consumer gps is supposed to cut off signal when traveling above certain speeds or certain altitudes (i don't remember the specifics though)
mircea_popescu: "Mixing with the same code in the correct phase de-spreads the wanted signal and further spreads everything else." << if this isn't technology i dunno what is.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/usg-domain-squatters-hype-soon-to-fail-luke-jrxt-fork/ << Qntra - USG Domain Squatters Hype Soon To Fail Luke-jrXT Fork
mircea_popescu: actually great article, re the whole "extract signal from below thermal noise floor" thing.
mircea_popescu: ah this is a gps receiver
phf: no, he linked a discrete ttl forth machine by the same guy
mircea_popescu: and since we're talking of fruit and here, let's take a detour into pina colada. the way to say ass in a sexy-friendly way is cola, which is why the sort of jeans that put out the girl's ass are called levantacola. so now... pina colada should thereby be translated "hourglass pineapple".
mircea_popescu: oh also : let it be said that there are few luxuries more luxurious than this thing whereby you point out the window, "see? that one!" and half hourish later you're hacking up the very fruit in question. they do make iiiiincredible fucking pineapples here.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682392 << part of the internet history, lelz. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the finer points of forum scheduling still elude me. but nevertheless -- let it be said each dog wil lget his day in the sun and nothing will remain buried in the logs, forgotten. so.
mircea_popescu: phf sorry about that. in retrospect i picked the worst choice, not even on the menu. should have just made a short hi and then decided.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what to do now, continue conversation node way back, go through the logs, re-read the short range here...
asciilifeform: phf: celestial navigatron may not look as 'sexy' as a thermonuke, but it is actually in some ways equivalent in terms of strategic worth : a 10x moar accurate navigatron is worth roughly 100x the nukage! because inverse-square. think about it.
mircea_popescu: aaaand meanwhile, at the true love ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a8318b4ee01e4c59952bdc8b778c82a5/tumblr_oaazx2WHu01u20dnoo1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: but, in correct terminology, it is very directly v-for-thought, and nothing else, and no more. "i thought i was writing code" "where's your press ?" "fuck. i understand now i was actually, and literally, and without remainder, just pouring sand on my dick for the novelty of the sensation, exactly like 3 yo first-time-at-black-sea does!"
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:25 mircea_popescu: Framedragger so if it does not make that statement, it imports, like any research paper EVER, the following "the authors have conducted a full review of extant literature relevant to their topic, and swear that the following list is complete and correct :"
mircea_popescu: recursively, this perception of mine -- and its attendant structure! -- is an example of the meaning, see also the Framedragger thread re proper referencing, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637745 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:03 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682555 << some time it would be interesting to read what means 'sanity' here, other than the somewhat circular 'not what the pantsuits do'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682562 << i perceive i am not at liberty to speak here, but must quote newman : http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-31.23-31.373 ; this quote is not a rhetorical device, nor a stylistical choice. it is no choice at all. i ~must~ quote newman. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( there might be good ru material floating about, i never dug in properly, it is on the lengthy conveyor )
asciilifeform: phf: unfortunately not. the field was more or less quashed by usg.
asciilifeform: the german one, of course could not find the fixed stars by itself, had to be set before rocket is fired. but would then keep the lock.
phf: i thought maybe you have one of those '99 home pages by a electrical star tracking aficionado
asciilifeform: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2161-4296.1947.tb01124.x/abstract << 1st public description of the nazi one
asciilifeform: phf: aka celestial navigation. earliest relevant item being the gyrosextant.
phf: asciilifeform: you have any links re "electrical star tracking"?
phf: it's one of the reasons i started looking in this direction. obviously gps is inadequate for wasp stack
asciilifeform: ( it worked ok in 1950s (!) with WHOLLY ANALOGUE components. why not today ? ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: upstack and re navigation -- i'd like to see the lost art of electrical star tracking, come back
asciilifeform: making a scheme is an almost approachable thing, tho
phf: i think a good exercise is to rewrite one of the existing c machine subtrates from cmucl or sbcl in ada. but left for another lifetime
phf: right, motion planning also the part that's non existent in above code, so easier to greenfield, where's avionics is there in however poor form
asciilifeform: the latter is the set of immediate, real-time things like 'keep machine balanced' and 'counter wind' etc
phf: i'll use your device and claim that the comment was "for the log readers" ;)
phf: note that the actual output of the system is servo motor commands
asciilifeform: ( relatedly : where is the open-source heat-seeker ?? )
phf: i won't the thing to follow some pretty simple decision algorithm: here's a gps list of viable landing spots, here's a gps list of interesting targets. given your positional knowns decide and execute a flight path that'll take the aircraft through highest number of interesting targets before landing in any one of the viable landing spots. surprisingly large number of moving parts in a situation like that ☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. the kind usg can't switch off or meacon on a whim
asciilifeform: ( though i'm moar interested in gravimetric/terrain navigation than gps )
asciilifeform: but it is conceivable that one day i will write one of even these, also.
asciilifeform: it is difficult to write proggy for machines that i dun have
phf: well, if you can write me an avionics code that will do all the things (figure out the position of aircraft in space, both on micro i.e. in relation to earth's surface and macro i.e. gps levels, knows how to adjust that position both in normal operational and critical situations, etc. etc.) then i won't have to study existing ones either
asciilifeform: there is no, for instance, useful reason to read gmp ( unless you're van-ecking gpg users, in which case you gotta )
asciilifeform: ( upside: now you dun have to )
phf: you studied them never the less
asciilifeform: aha! what i learned was: throw it out and derive from 0.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:04 asciilifeform: this is the funny bit : i learned by studying from horrifying cruftsmen
asciilifeform: trying to learn something by reading shithubolade ( and yes i'm quite aware that there simply ain't much else in public ) is rather like trying to learn to be a fine french chef by studying shit going out the pipe of the toilet in famous restaurant
asciilifeform: ( if it's rubbish even worth digging through, that is -- most rubbish ain't )
asciilifeform: so if you see 1) problem that doesn't call for multitude of moving parts + 2) multitude of moving parts --> you know you are looking at rubbish
asciilifeform: e.g. the problem described in the avionics link, certainly does not
asciilifeform: the other thing, phf, is that not so many things ACTUALLY call for 'many moving parts'.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 18:09 asciilifeform: but it remains, to demonstrate experimentally.
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634235 << thread ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( i left the thing in a half-limbo when picking up 'p' to finish, but expect to get back to it before the summer's through )
asciilifeform: phf: if you want example with moar moving parts, the nqb snippets are probably closer
asciilifeform: ( consider the observation: if martians dropped in front of your house a 8192-bit cpu, you could set Word => 8192 and ... all of the loops disappear.
phf: that's unrelated to my point
asciilifeform: so i asked 'what would this look like on sane iron' and ended up with ffa
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:14 phf: but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682578 << that was sorta the whole point. the traditional bignumtrons drove me batshit with their insistence on 'limbs' etc. i.e. nonuniform, heapy memory ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( if you were switching on a genuine 51%tron, would you announce it in advance ?! ) << It's the one where they talk derps into client that forks by rejecting mined blocks
phf: but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world ☟︎
phf: ~for me~ studying ffa is a faster method to pick up good habits, shed bad habits, considerably more so than say studying that avionics code above.
phf: i thought that proper classical education is all about learning how to discriminate? i mean western art has this value of "this guy is good, but not quite. this other guy is as good as this first guy, and he also has that not quite covered. he's the true master" ☟︎
phf: and the habits that i do pick up would be eliminated in the next round of learning
phf: i can learn from that avionics code and possibly not even pick up too many bad habits, but i doubt i could've done that 15 years ago
trinque: most important bits probably in youth, i.e. beatings for the hint of lying shitbag.
asciilifeform: but i am not currently sure whether this is teachable.
asciilifeform: now this is true.
phf: sure, but you can do that if you ~learned to discriminate~
asciilifeform: and realizing that they are the reason why $subj ( for various values of $subj ) appears not to make sense.
asciilifeform: this is the funny bit : i learned by studying from horrifying cruftsmen ☟︎
phf: you improve your craft by studying from master craftsmen. if you've studied too long in from poor craftsmen, never developed the skill to discriminate, etc. then of course you're going to be poor craftsman yourself (and possibly unteachable)
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma try again. for past few yrs i collected various maculature re 'bignum arithmetic', etc. and it all turned out to be rubbish, it is going to the flea market. because was made by people who did not consider the essentials.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:58 mircea_popescu: i can teach sanity to rabid street urchin within months and to rachel from jewish middle class home within years.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682555 << some time it would be interesting to read what means 'sanity' here, other than the somewhat circular 'not what the pantsuits do' ☝︎☟︎
phf: i don't understand the points that you're both trying to make ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no, it's why i gave up on the notion. djb is too old to be worth it, just like 35yo woman caught in wild.
asciilifeform: ( he's probably need a decade of gulag, like korolev, at this point )
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, teh dungeon calls ; i shall be back in a coupla.
mircea_popescu: i can teach sanity to rabid street urchin within months and to rachel from jewish middle class home within years. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you know the joke about the ny plumber who has a price for fixing a faucet that broke, and a different one for fixing a faucet you tried to fix ?
mircea_popescu: this is not true.
phf: you gotta study to get to the point where "it's a simple matter of". that's the kind of insight that reading ffa can give you
mircea_popescu: who aren't nearly as well selected or invested into their own mental life.
asciilifeform: phf: do you recall the ( now defunct ? and i forget where it was... ) www where folx made fun of 'india code', with the folx who never heard of a for() loop etc
mircea_popescu: which is how you get talented souls who evidently put time into it, like say djb, or like say blum, being dumber than the l2.
mircea_popescu: and if he went to an establishment supported by pantsuit money and dedicated to the encouragement of shit sloshing, he could spend any amount of time and effort NOT IMPROVING
phf: well, then wtf
mircea_popescu: this is because he actually lacks the capacity to discern thought from the dumb shit he's doing ; not because he's not thinking enough.
mircea_popescu: he thinks, in the portable latrine he carries above his shoulders, that such nonsense is the result of a thought process, that he's thinking, you know, at me and etcetera.