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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin wrong with 'bc', but it aint a replacement for customary full 'perlistic' toolbox really

mircea_popescu: "Python ints don't have a fixed number of\ndigits." priceless. especially for the 000a intercalation.

diana_coman: np, worth a dig anyway

asciilifeform: Only A Terrorist(tm)! would ever put in leading zeros! or wat.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 18:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a strong bias against proggies which try to be 'smart'

mircea_popescu: well, i got other firepits to attend to, but what a great logmorning this has been!

asciilifeform: a usable gcdtron converges in B, or 2B, etc. shots, or it's rubbish

mircea_popescu: think about it, if it converged in more than 2^B turns, then you'd have a B bit number contain B+k bits of information.

mircea_popescu: did i mention i like your treasure trove finds a lot more these days ?

mircea_popescu: "At each subsequent stage, the next number is the last N plus the last Z ; carries out of bounds are ignored ; if anything's ignored the next number's an N, otherwise a Z. " to take it out of the idiotic format.

asciilifeform: he uses a complement.

asciilifeform: ( addition over a finite field, to be pedantic )

asciilifeform: incidentally might be interesting to get that lens baked as... a pcb ( commercial pcb houses will do al instead of cu, at comparable cost , plus whatever drillings )

asciilifeform: in moar mundane lulz, asciilifeform , after N-th vivisection of bolixtron, boots it up and finds that it turned into 'ordinary old crapple', i.e. no longer sees the card. thinks 'eh, shit', then -- remembers that it's a fuking '80s machine -- goes, cleans contacts. then finds, box again worx...

asciilifeform: but indeed, if anybody knows just how much neutron it takes to nail a man in militarily-relevant time frame, they aint tellin'

mircea_popescu: yes but on a power law.

mircea_popescu: one day my car mechanic is going to come into this room, pour a quart of oil into the box, and make a whole new os this way.

asciilifeform: it's a 'the fucking key was in your pocket, lol' sorta wtf gem.

asciilifeform: drilling 10e6 holes is a bit of a bitch

mircea_popescu: "so make it discountinous!" "HOW!!!" "dude drill a hole" "omfg how wise you are mr!"

mircea_popescu: hey, you know what... that's a great idea

asciilifeform: it's a compound lens.

asciilifeform: in other olds, apparently i slept through this, but in early 2000s some ru d00d actually built a ~non-grazing~ lens for xray. for pennies, at that. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: a there we go ty

asciilifeform: i remember when i first saw a bookcase without glass doors. 'barbarism'

mircea_popescu: can't really bring up a kid without a book room.

mircea_popescu: what, i ask you, WHAT is a worse stain than having spent a minute on the needs of the poor ? they're fucking poor for a reason! step on their faces, there's rich people that you could be helping instead.

a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 22:03 asciilifeform: most of the heavy lifting was done by a dozen or so people, however. (david moon, richard greenblatt, tom knight, buncha smaller ones )

asciilifeform: feels hefty and nearly 'bakelite', like a solid 1980s periph. i can see why phf picked it up.

asciilifeform: the sphere, interestingly, is supposedly the size of a regulation billiard ball, and some folx have replaced it with the latter.

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)

asciilifeform: in other olds-noose, asciilifeform installed a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 , and it's pretty great. ty phf ! ☝︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: You're going to make a lot of glue

a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 12:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884340 << point. i suspect that a good chunk of the interest in old irons is driven by the sheer unfathomable depth of retardation of 'modern' comp

a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 02:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: TBF a lot of weird looks good when the alternatives are Windows, Lunix, and ManzanaBSD

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884340 << point. i suspect that a good chunk of the interest in old irons is driven by the sheer unfathomable depth of retardation of 'modern' comp ☝︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: TBF a lot of weird looks good when the alternatives are Windows, Lunix, and ManzanaBSD ☟︎

asciilifeform: when i first went to look for the thing, found that there's a whole underworld of vintage crapple people ( and 'amiga' etc ) , most of'em moved to using these things.

a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 01:15 asciilifeform: it aint that much good without the iron, but i would like the thing publicly gettable, given as i also baked a 'scsi2sd' config that eats the thing

asciilifeform: to round off the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884258 thrd : item confirmed to work. booted up box with it , it's a mixed blessing ( ~zero seek times, but slightly ~slower~ linear transfer than the mechanical disk. but, theoretically lasts '4evah', given as card can be easily backed up ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: iirc it was a plain reed-solomon tho, not newfangled luby

mircea_popescu: and if it's such a problem, slice it.

asciilifeform: classical gpg (base64) is a 400% neh

mircea_popescu: nah. it's a 20% overhead or so.

asciilifeform: 7 folx want to load, each needs a, what, 4GB+ buffer (if turd is 1GB)

asciilifeform: a reasonably-mechanized process for distributing warez to one's l1/l2 might be useful, but i haven't yet devised one that dun break in annoying ways in the field.

asciilifeform: i have a half-written bot that takes a deedbot-style gpg wot decrypt and puts out a single-use emulated ftp login thing. but it is not alive, because gnarly in practice ( if single-shot, resumes dunwork; and no crypto, and prolly this is solvable but i dun have currently the time budget for massaging it )

mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with "here's a list of things you can have ~by request~ in my castle"

asciilifeform: this is a fundamental problem with throwing up warez for 'public'. how to justify to self, the bird feeder.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't a tracker, just a large box with the entire collection of trilema reviewed films. on for a year or so, but turned it off recently.

asciilifeform: it aint that much good without the iron, but i would like the thing publicly gettable, given as i also baked a 'scsi2sd' config that eats the thing ☟︎

asciilifeform: i ask because i have a 9GB disk image from that bolix 'macivory' ( recorded using the 'alpha' from earlier thrd ) but am reluctant to simply put on dulap, soaking up bw for errybody

asciilifeform: unrelatedly : hey mircea_popescu , didja have a torrent tracker ? i seem to recall in the log ( tho cannot find. ) or was it an in-house thingie strictly.

mod6: Yeah, I get the pizarro ip for both A and MX records. Just in case, I have posted the clearsigned report to my website for viewing: http://mod6.net/2018/December/31/btcf_address_201812.txt

mircea_popescu: i suppose the first step in the wonderful world of language is the kid's "what incantations do" rather than "what does this mean". takes a considerable time exposed to "she is your genie, ask what you will, she'll produce it" sorta situation for the former to mutate into the latter, "what the fuck am i asking these genies to do here!"

mircea_popescu: memory management in c is one of the weirdest things. this is not directly obvious first off, but if you stop to think about what you're saying ~actually means~ it's a guaranteed starseeing moment.

a111: Logged on 2017-05-26 18:10 asciilifeform: for instance, the almost ubiquitous c-ism, of creating a pointer (ada 'access') variable on a procedure's local (stack) and passing it to something -- anything -- is illegal

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884225 << ada is surrounded by a kind of roman 'sudes' fort , consisting of 'why the fuck does it make me do this', kills 99+% of maggots on the spot. at least that's my hypothesis re why the thing remains usable ~40 yrs after first made, unlike e.g. unix ☝︎

jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884050 << asciilifeform next time please spend few precious seconds to actually check A and MX records. No, it's not on lulazon anymore. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 17:15 asciilifeform: when i started with adaism, i initially found the preservation of indexing in array-slices annoying. but then saw the wisdom, it whips programmer into having a much firmer grasp of wtf he is doing.

mircea_popescu: Mocky we're in the same time distortion field. i recall people dead for centuries as if we just interrupted a coffee conversation days ago ; i forgot idiots i met yesterday as if milennia had passed.

a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:18 asciilifeform: stratum: y'know, the money argument dun hold water -- a new 'ipnoje' actually costs moar than ~several~ entirely usable pc

a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 19:57 mircea_popescu: why is it that this church is notable in spite of not having a feedbot ?

mircea_popescu: random schmuckette futzing with her phone "losing" her nudes is of no consequence, she is a party favour anyway, whether she knows this or not.

Mocky: unrelatedly, it's strange time distortion to be a newb and compress the reading of back #trilema & #ba logs into 8 months and then see http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884140 and realize the fella (and plenty others fresh in the mind) hasn't even spoken here for a year ☝︎

asciilifeform: the appropriate tech 'for the billions' is prolly the ox-plow ( and with proviso that they turn into a moar manageable 'millions' )

asciilifeform: stratum: tech 'for the billions' remains a questionable proposition even in re 100 y.o. techs. 'the billions' still have trouble with not dropping running toaster in bathtub.

asciilifeform: except where yer lock aint a lock at all, but instead is rather more similar to the plastic amulets 'boko haram' hands out to soldiers 'to stop bullets'

asciilifeform: stratum: y'know, the money argument dun hold water -- a new 'ipnoje' actually costs moar than ~several~ entirely usable pc ☟︎

stratum: Most people don't even have one "box" -- More and more browsing from their phones as their sole computing device, billions of them. I think there is a disconnect in what we're discussing: which is why I mention RMS and his helpers.

stratum: Certainly, but one still has to survive among the internet places as they exist.. We cannot all be RMS and have a helper print out websites for us because we're paranoid. ☟︎

stratum: In some cases, which do not involve a determined attacker or state actor, https can prevent man in the middle attacks, the capture of full browsing sessions, and, while unfortunately involving untrusted third party mega corporations tied to the security state, one can be slightly more assured you're talking to the actual website you intend to.

Mocky: yes, a more resilient design is much needed for the bot. it also needs to get out from under the thumb of the ps event/thread model so that adding capabilities doesn't require crimes-against-humanity levels of extra code in order to approach resilience

danielpbarron: also a fan of https and skeptic of rsa

asciilifeform: stratum: y'know there is a log, http://btcbase.org/log/

stratum: i am a real person who has seen the wonderful dpb spread the gospel and came here to watch

mircea_popescu: from the gimme a second ima clean up this bimboconvo.

stratum: i am a real person

a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 02:28 asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.'

a111: Logged on 2019-01-02 15:31 asciilifeform: mats: i haven't built anyffing useful from ice40 with own hands yet. but, interestingly, when bought a 'scsi2sd' device for replacing disk in bolix box, found that author in fact used ice40 for the job

asciilifeform: briefly upstack to the archaeologies : switched on the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883853 device, and it worx a++++, simulates cdroms even (arbitrary # of'em) , and hdds, etc ☝︎

mircea_popescu: there's a good principle in there we're digging out.

lobbesbot: Mocky: Sent 19 hours and 34 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> further issue with bot for your list : if it dings two skills, it only trains one. really it should have a check ~before~ crafting whether it can do any skill upgrading somehiow.

mircea_popescu: anyway, many people took yearish hiatuses, mats recently emerged after a slumber for eg.

a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 16:49 asciilifeform: box is dead in the water on apparently all linux kernels since ~2006ish, and seems like nobody gives a fuck.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884068 << i don';t expect any of the ten thousand fly eyes has a dec, ever had a dec, or can come up with any actual use for a dec. or for that matter care to know whether their code doesn't work at all. different paradigm!!! ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can count on fingers of 1 hand how many times i dig up on 'lone man net' sumthing useful, in a yr

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884048 << oh i see. i just saw a "omfg my traffux" dork "blogger" typical piece, the numbers seemed low for a month of amateur bloggership so had to take a 2nd look, turned out they're FOR THE YEAR, what can yo9u do. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: not much of a priority.

mircea_popescu: next we're going to dig up a 1990 era soviet stolen sub to run it on their handcranks also.

asciilifeform: when i started with adaism, i initially found the preservation of indexing in array-slices annoying. but then saw the wisdom, it whips programmer into having a much firmer grasp of wtf he is doing. ☟︎

asciilifeform: imho the de-facto convention i proposed is reasonable tho -- if the array is a local creation, and its indexing is known, then to refer to it explicitly is permissible. otherwise, not.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: where this appears, it is a concession to 1) speed 2) brevity of code . where the indexing of the array is known, because it is a local buffer, it is referred to explicitly; invocations X'First, X'Last, etc cost measurable cpu, it turned out. but where indexing is not known ( e.g. if operand may be part of a karatsuba ) , there it is unavoidably X'First etc.

asciilifeform: hence the importance of other thinking folx giving the thing a thorough walk.

diana_coman: ftr I had to refresh a bit on Knuth Vol 2 at some point but I don't see that as a minus at all

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i fixed the links by hand, there were only a handful.

asciilifeform: box is dead in the water on apparently all linux kernels since ~2006ish, and seems like nobody gives a fuck. ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: vintage gentoo, for smoketest, afaik there is not currently a cuntoo for dec

mod6: How goes tmsr~? I ~think~ that I have a working wp-mp now. I've converted over my most recent blog post about diana_coman's V Genesis. If you see something broken, or similar please let me know.