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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elisp is a roughly microshit-quality product.
trinque: I build initramfsen by aiming portage at a custom PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT and ROOT, using a threadbare portage profile, can thereby slam down ebuilds in a chroot without having the whole of portage present in the chroot
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:35 mircea_popescu: for a simple example, the default state is, "userbase rejects your merge" rather than "everyone please upgrade". that should give a decent idea of the flavour.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:31 mircea_popescu: i suppose i should translate that thing. unless anyone wants to practice their rofu first ?
asciilifeform: trinque: luckily asciilifeform already baked kernel config for the type of machine diana_coman has ( tho it potentially can be further trimmed )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:28 diana_coman: trinque, if I understand it correctly, I could have a cuntoo right now and move later on to v-tree but a. there is some work to be done to configure it properly for the exact pizarro hardware b. it's unclear whether I'll be able to emerge (i.e. build musltronically) all the stuff I need ; correct?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:04 mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is why the pantsuit hate the "new right" or whatever they call it. all they see is the zimmerman-paddock party and get hives.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 20:52 mircea_popescu: it's not "oh, errybody has a rotten plank or two keeping'em afloat." it's "oh, everybody ~can manifest matter by will~, currently everybody hanging off the bare minimum rotten plank and they're not even COMPARED".
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 14:35 trinque: diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage.
trinque: mircea_popescu: nah "gab"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doubt that it's so specific; afaik they see it as simply a large underground bag into which they've driven errything with even half a ball remaining, 'could do anyffing!1'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in accountrements, https://78.media.tumblr.com/45a89885d7a7a44d8cbb7e7c51efbc29/tumblr_oxpi7hxTl41uzk3l9o1_400.gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the reported 'postal' derps to date seem to follow this pattern
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lulzily , in ameristan they have the 'analogues act', i.e. anybody can be prosecuted, if they 'need to have problems', for, say, the glue in their chinese shoes, if need be
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: even these, are afaik now quite similar to the flower pot derp, typically just a d00d who works at pharmacy warehouse
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the pot dealer is even an extinct species these days; gotta go buy fentanyl to make friends now
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta the thrust behind the recent trend of 'pot legalizations' in usa -- succeeded in neutering the healthiest of the blackmarkets ( something like 1 in 5 zeks in usa, regularly pot )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far seems like they know that fence is electrified, mostly stayed off
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 16:15 mircea_popescu: in other-same lulz, usg amping up the "upgrading" of "secure" http sites off the interwebs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc bci et al have started doing segshitness
Mocky: mircea_popescu, wooshing across 4 lanes in sub second is my kind of fun, I do this ~daily on motorcycle
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but yes, this is how empires die. "yes we're aware this would sail right off if driven through in 3 feet of water, but the car's not rated for driving through 3 feet of water so it's ok." "right, but then the ramp that's not rated for flooding will flood, because etcetera in this vein, and there you are." << AHA, this happened to the plasticar
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where do the donkey riders cross ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite troo. tho gelandewagen-style fat, synchronous wheels still better for drowned roads than autobahn limo.
asciilifeform: sounds like mircea_popescu lives in gelandewagen country
asciilifeform: twist : http://www.dukw.com/dkramp.gif is mircea_popescu's car
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly you oughta test this experimentally, might be pleasantly surprised.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the main q is not re how many, but whether there is an 'emacs'-like boojum among'em. buildroot will just as happily build 9000 deps as 1.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, mod6 , phf , ben_vulpes , trinque , ( and several other folx, who are not here, flunked out ) , have done this.
asciilifeform: Mocky: imho the best intro text re vtronics is still ben_vulpes's , http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu , in one of his essays, described how gurlz from nato reich who enlist in his harem sometimes suffer from the effects of fat-soluble poisons, which accumulated in their meat, as the fat burns up in exercise. there is a similar malady suffered by escapees from 'open sores' world on those occasions when they show up here. the toxins gotta work their way out.
trinque: diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
Mocky: ok, so looking for documentation on how to use: it still works like this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had asked asciilifeform not to meddle in euolorological matters, so i'ma stop here, unless all of you somehow get stuck and he asks for specific puzzler to be sent to my operating table.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: depending on how far cuntoo is from flight-readiness ( trinque , any idea ? ) this may be worth doing in your case
asciilifeform: diana_coman: hence why i said 'rotor buildroot env'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you were making simply a musltronic version of euloratron, it could be done rotor-style (buildroot env) . but sounds like you want cuntoo straight away.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 08:34 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827895 <- my (possibly naive) idea was to try first on conventional gentoo by recompiling with musltronic gcc what I need; asciilifeform perhaps knows upfront: would it work to (re-)emerge libs such as zlib and libmysqlclient using the musltronic-gcc?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 20:37 mircea_popescu: and so it is here : if gets away without cuntoo, will try, if not, with.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 20:33 ben_vulpes: diana_coman: why does it need to be wholly separate machine? i think something might have flown over my head
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 20:38 asciilifeform: earlier diana_coman requested conventional gentoo. what'll it be ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in high performance pumps : https://78.media.tumblr.com/b9eb11a9d91de939222a03e9ba480023/tumblr_ozipxv48Er1tiw4aco1_500.gif
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 16:46 mircea_popescu: which brings us to : ben_vulpes would pizarro be amenable to bring up the spare sometime so she makes it a full gnat musl thing, test whether we can move everything there, and either move it (so basically, moving servers) or else backing down (so basically i guess either renting both for a while or powerting back down the spare) ?
deedbot: ben_vulpes paid trinque invoice 9
deedbot: Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.26994957 <<
a111: Logged on 2015-10-03 19:56 mircea_popescu: ascii_field as the verse goes, "comunismu-ntii te-ajuta, tac tac tac, si apoi te executa, pac pac pac."
asciilifeform: earlier diana_coman requested conventional gentoo. what'll it be ? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: why does it need to be wholly separate machine? i think something might have flown over my head ☟︎☟︎
mod6: diana_coman: If not ASAP, that helps, any available guidence on your time horizon for this to be racked & working is helpful.
mod6: <+diana_coman> asciilifeform, BingoBoingo it is NOT asap, no; take your time, no hurry << barring a straight out emergency, I can't get away at the moment. About a month ago, I was trying to plan a trip around end of July; but now, that's locked out.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: plox to gpggram to BingoBoingo , tracking # etc, when it has sailed << Between these and the disks... mod6 interested in a trip?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: plox to gpggram to BingoBoingo , tracking # etc, when it has sailed
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you haven't , pleeeez do
asciilifeform: hey ben_vulpes , didja ever send the stockpile of FG usb-ttl connectors, over to BingoBoingostan ?
deedbot: ben_vulpes paid jurov invoice 1
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 17:04 mircea_popescu: none of this is an emergency, still some issues to fix as i said.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ApA3A/?raw=true << Correct
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but whose is the 850 ?
asciilifeform: hey ben_vulpes do we have a Troo Full Inventory posted somewhere ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu if you need this box asap, it is possible to pull the hot spare from primary and make a single-disked staging box out of the spare.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: correct, and ben_vulpes , trinque , lobbes ( iirc ) send in disks , which then went into it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to correct the above disk spec if necessary
ave1: I.E. I could reprocude this error by first compiling aarch64 with ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada aarch64 and then running the script with making that line: ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada x86_64
a111: Logged on 2018-06-04 04:26 ave1: asciilifeform, also what is in the build-ada.sh? the last line on aarch64 should read: ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada aarch64 x86_64
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> diana_coman: plox to gpggram BingoBoingo re necessary qty of FGs, the raid geometry to use ( 5? 10? ) , necessary # of nic connections, he will bring up the box. << The server needs drives to set up a raid
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you don't need cuntoo to build musl executables, ave1's gnat does this on an ~arbitrary linux. ( via similar method as the 2015 'rotor' item )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can, with certain known exceptions ( emacs, mainly , per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827118 thrd ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: re linkers, musl lib can only be linked with other musl libs, but prolly diana_coman already knew this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman which linking issues ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: will you be installing cuntoo ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to gpggram BingoBoingo re necessary qty of FGs, the raid geometry to use ( 5? 10? ) , necessary # of nic connections, he will bring up the box.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, was the initial test of adatronic serv on rockchip ? how did it perform ?
mircea_popescu: which brings us to : ben_vulpes would pizarro be amenable to bring up the spare sometime so she makes it a full gnat musl thing, test whether we can move everything there, and either move it (so basically, moving servers) or else backing down (so basically i guess either renting both for a while or powerting back down the spare) ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in other news, diana_coman reports that we've actually managed moving the actual server on a .gpr process ; there's some remaining problems with linking bits, but seem perhaps resolvable.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 17:13 mircea_popescu: what's actually the usercount ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? jurov ?
phf: honestly half of the ones i saw, from a totally different range of companies, look familiar, but i suspect that at least moscovites got the ussr version, probably something like this http://scaletrainsclub.com/portal/images/portal_files/vasily/istoriya_proizvodstva/ov_05.jpg
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/M%C3%A4rklin_2881_-_KPEV_S10_1008.jpg/800px-M%C3%A4rklin_2881_-_KPEV_S10_1008.jpg << definitely ; had this exact item.
phf: http://scaletrainsclub.com/portal/images/portal_files/vasily/istoriya_proizvodstva/ov_02.jpg
mircea_popescu: phf https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DnUWFFS_zBs/maxresdefault.jpg << this looks very right re rails. which is why i thought marklin
mircea_popescu: nah, definitely not it, wrong rail system. this seems flexible ? https://www.modellbahnwelt24.de/media/image/product/46180/md/li-pfp-h0-01_liliput-proses-pfp-h0-01-flexgleishalter-fuer-h0-00.jpg
phf: mircea_popescu: but no check out liliput, https://www.modellbahnwelt24.de/Liliput-3
phf: huh i don't remember that style at all. looks like metal too, the ones that i had were plastic, kind of like https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/L350032-LN_3314489_Qty1_1.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes generally around the age of 10-12 or so discover it can be applied to soft parts also.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aa, so you get flown, lol
asciilifeform: oh hey ben_vulpes flies nao ?
phf: ben_vulpes: well, you need a nice length of tracks, nor do you need to make it a circle (just close the circuit by other means). it can figure nicely in any kind of gameplay, but honestly it gave me my first experiential understanding of electricity
esthlos: to be fair to egan, the actual supposition is not that consciousness exists "in" computer, but that it has a mathematical representation. not that it affects mircea_popescu 's point
esthlos: but then what _is_ the cpu state but an arrangement of electrons? and why can't I say "these electrons on my butt are cpu state 53, those on alpha centauri are cpu state 54..."
esthlos: mircea_popescu: I have not. gotta add it to the list
phf: helpful pbf illustration, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_T792V0_uoCw/R6T6hAIArPI/AAAAAAAAAWk/8zJzYpskpNA/s1600-h/PBF244-Preach_Skate.jpg
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 03:52 mircea_popescu: did we ever do http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=1 btw ?
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't know if there's a definition, "idea" would've been a better term. in any case i've never heard anything concrete, except for the papert/piaget/montessori like esthlos said statements.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i doubt there's what knows how to use a slut on that campus
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://pbfcomics.com/comics/shocked/ << oblig
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dunno about that, man. from the slut's angle, there's a lot of plain fucking going about.
esthlos: ben_vulpes: all that needs saying: http://www.reed.edu/reed_magazine/sallyportal/posts/2016/sanctuary-college.html
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it's all the poor dears know
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this item is similar to the last gasp of su comp makers, the iskra 286 , 100% orc except for the intel chip ( last su-indigenous clone was afaik 8086 )