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mircea_popescu: for instance : usg released a convicted felon / ndrngheta man (sony vleisides) for the purpose of pulling a "we build asic miners" scam in bitcoin to buy nsa enough time to make some themselves.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be trhe first time usg's criminal entreprise front pulled this scam.
mircea_popescu: summary : he's trying to make sense of the political posturing of fiat entities, arrives at the conclusion that bitmain is buying the worthless clone with bitcoin it intends to doublespend away from the silly buyers later on.
asciilifeform found subj ~unreadable -- on account of the sheer qty of wtf redditolade priors baked in
ben_vulpes: trinque: i wouldn't go so far as to say they pulled it off
mircea_popescu: shinohai looks like he's trying to grok it all.
trinque: the "arts tax" bureaucratic infrastructure already there
trinque: how did seattle pull this off before portland?
ben_vulpes: well if they say it enough and if enough people vote for it surely it will become the new law
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is this supposed to work even.
ben_vulpes: gonna paraphrase here, "we're sure that when the supreme court hears about how our schools are so terribly underfunded they'll reconsider their ruling on the consitutionality of this tax"
ben_vulpes: another funny tidbit is that a) anything other than a flat tax is strictly constitutionally prohibited in washington and b) 33.65.030: "A county, city, or city-county shall not levy a tax on net income."
ben_vulpes: in reading some commentary on seattle's new tax on the rich, i learn that a sales tax is regressive because rich people pay a smaller fraction of their income in taxes than poors
shinohai: Heh I missed this lulzy anonymint trb writeup http://archive.is/BZ2ka
shinohai: iirc they also donated hosting for tardstalk or something like that
mircea_popescu: aaand in other tor lulz, guess what is "privateinternetaccess.com", other than of course the "partner" of pretty much every irc network out there, from freenode to snoonet.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/a-new-leaf/ << Trilema - A New Leaf
mircea_popescu: but, in other applied twistodynamics, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b1e02708882870196734c8aac584355c/tumblr_o2hw1bq7fh1uwcsj1o1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: so far rather headed down the adlai chute i guess.
mircea_popescu: i'm vaguely curious if/when guy manages to escape his worm form.
mircea_popescu: few of the wrecked are willing to realize the root of their distress << the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making sliding in easy to do and pulling out easy to forget.
BingoBoingo: Eh, more an exercise in reading Trilema in IRL
ben_vulpes: for all the inca-wreckage in my life, few of the wrecked are willing to realize the root of their distress.
BingoBoingo: Maybe spend a bit of time with some people who've been wrecked by Inca, want better for the puppies?
ben_vulpes: i'm waiting for age and failure to mature me into a nice ball of hate
BingoBoingo: Now that's gotta drain the venom. Why are you bothering with productivity worries? First things first!
BingoBoingo: home orifice consists of putting desk next to bed. One is for writing, other for sleeping, both useful furniture for fucking guests.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i appreciate the exhortation
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You too can increase your razorblade to punction mark count too!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/did-you-ever-claim-to-have-butterflies-in-your-stomach/ << Trilema - Did you ever claim to have butterflies in your stomach ?
ben_vulpes: while i'm on the topic, can confirm that 'modern' asdf is all sorts of royal pita as well, although that thread has been well hashed in the logs
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:18 phf: for the longest time i thought that common lisp spec is a magic paper against modernization. not so, and you can see it with the recent evolution of sbcl. for example they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols, e.g. (flet ((first (...))) ...) will fail, breaking a lot of reasonable old code. many historic idioms likewise produce compilation warnings, etc.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682481 << aaand i just bounced off of this ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( iirc nixon was the last )
mircea_popescu: which i expect they did do.
mircea_popescu: could "glaze" by arranging them
asciilifeform: ( supposing you could walk up to it and illuminate )
asciilifeform: this only affects surface x cm of pile tho
asciilifeform: well, not terribly far, but not same
mircea_popescu: anyway. tungsten xray pink very different from gold xray pink. which is teh real idea!
asciilifeform: which afaik is what the 'fed au is tungstentronic' thing is really about
asciilifeform: gravimeter's the only thing that'd give actual idea of the mass, rather than volume, of the pile.
mircea_popescu: but on the contrary : "even scandalous methods still work". which they do.
mircea_popescu: i didn't by any means aim to produce an exhaustive or practical list!
asciilifeform: i'd still bet on gravimeter, if i had to go and detect it meself
mircea_popescu: anyway! rather than bickering over the obviously rhetorics involved, how about we in general agree that such a huge mass of a rare atom is eminently detectable and thassat.
asciilifeform: but lacking the actual magic nums ( asciilifeform is still at beachhouse, lol ) i'ma have to leave it at 'maybe works from 40m!'
mircea_popescu: yes, 4 * 10 to go, 4 * 10 to return.
asciilifeform: the backscatter gotta come back tho
mircea_popescu: i dun have the datasheets to give better numbers with, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: taking 20MeV source arbitrarily and 2 kev detector, you have roughly speaking 8 and a half halvings at your disposal. if your 1/e distance is 10 meters, that means 40 meters away your detector will still work.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ye.
mircea_popescu: basically, a high energy xray will lose 2/3 of its energy every dozen or so meters. whatever's left illuminates the gold (there's no crossing gold, too large barn), and then gets sent back, as gold-xray-pink
mircea_popescu: the threshold for detectability is below 1kev (review your pll discussion to see why it goes way below "base").
mircea_popescu: and soil is no pb. and it's not "gone", it's 1/e'd. the remainder can... 1/e again. and so on.
asciilifeform: let's take all 100mEv
asciilifeform: show me the particle ? e.g., x kEv gamma. which is it.
mircea_popescu: "even car stops at light, bike is smaller than car!!" is bad argument.
asciilifeform: even fast neutron tops out at a few M of solid dirt
asciilifeform: show me the magic particle that has infinite free path even in air, much less earth, cement
mircea_popescu: anyway. the whole point was that such a large agglomeration of single-atom rare element is eminently detectable. it is.
asciilifeform: even pumped beam , or epic cosmic ray, still stops a few ~cm~ in au or pb tho
asciilifeform: that was the hope aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know this field has advanced significantly ? they have all sorts of phase-velocity abusing composites and so on.
asciilifeform: but how to reflect.
asciilifeform: ( from what to make mirrors?! tho )
asciilifeform: ( sdi sank from, among other lulz, failure to discover a practical xray laser )
mircea_popescu: next you're going to nix lasers because you saw a lightbulb once.
asciilifeform: gotta wake up regan and tell him how
mircea_popescu: if you put an x-ray lamp on gold, and then turn it off, you will see some radiation back, and on specific frequency
asciilifeform: inverse-square is a thing. picture what you'd need to even go above backgnd at 'river' distance
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes dude. let's redo the sentence : "gold / other heavy metals are sorta fluorescent, let's say, in X-ray illumination"
mircea_popescu: anyway. many ops deploy it to reduce lossage.
asciilifeform: if you're thinking of item that ~emits~ xray...
asciilifeform: so is the neutronograph
mircea_popescu: australia for one. everywhere there's enough gold to be worth it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's the thing, it absorbs, and then emits.
asciilifeform: the index won't read by trb.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 00:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696875 << it is conceivable you can reuse prb blockchains, if you care. not that there's anything wrong with rechecking the chain if oyu're in no hurry. expect a coupla months tho. and i suppose look into eatblock etc while at it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1696914 << mno, they use different db ☝︎
asciilifeform: to round off the wtf -- 'beachcomber' inductive 'minesweeper' tops out at 30-40 ~cm~, not m
asciilifeform: ( unless the au-via-neutron bombardment thing were to take off.. )
asciilifeform: the only thing that'd make it 'across river' is gravity , and possibly fast neutrons. which au dun emit.
asciilifeform: none of the other measures work through the door, sadly. even if we were discussing sr-90 rather than au
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 00:39 mircea_popescu: if you have such a narrow premise ("is there or is there not a terragram of gold at so and so coords") experimental falsification is trivial, and not even expensive in contex. the bitch is forming the premise in the first place.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1696926 << can set up mass of depleted uranium and trick gravimeter. ☝︎
asciilifeform: cavities (e.g. mines, tunnels) are a different story, the missing soil is quite 'loud' gravimetrically
asciilifeform: and certainly not 'across the river'
asciilifeform: now theoretically you could pick up a cubic few metres of au with... gravimeter. but strictly from, e.g., 1 story up
asciilifeform: who never heard of any such thing
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu might like to mention the xray background ( wtf? ever consider the self-absorption of an item with density of gold!?) to prospectors
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes gold / other heavy metals are sorta fluorescent, let's say, in X-ray illumination. leaving aside that even amateur beach comber fare on sale for the cost of a lawn mower can see large chunks at 20-30 meters (that's 10 floors or so).
trinque: 4.5gb for trb build, not blockchain
mircea_popescu: if you have such a narrow premise ("is there or is there not a terragram of gold at so and so coords") experimental falsification is trivial, and not even expensive in contex. the bitch is forming the premise in the first place. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ultrasound, rad scatter, there's a whole list.
ben_vulpes: how's that?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 21:46 edivad: in the case of segwit, this means that trb won't care about segwit blocks and as long as they will complies with the "hard rules" (I really don't know how to explain myself better) they will be accepted?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 21:44 mod6: yeah, that's always what mine is once complete, ~4.5G
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 21:38 edivad: in my case i've recycled a previous bitcoin core blockchain and fired up TRB
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696875 << it is conceivable you can reuse prb blockchains, if you care. not that there's anything wrong with rechecking the chain if oyu're in no hurry. expect a coupla months tho. and i suppose look into eatblock etc while at it. ☝︎☟︎