asciilifeform: no, no, the cars

asciilifeform: so why died ?

asciilifeform: there were not even 12 makers of rich folk cars in 1890. ☟︎

asciilifeform: just because smbx was an american firm and thereby satanic ?

asciilifeform: how would it meaningfully differ from your 'computers for the 15k, mud for the 15m' scenario ?

asciilifeform: *micros

asciilifeform: the idiot 1980s minis.

asciilifeform: cockroaches.

asciilifeform: that is what survived, yes

asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu thought ~i~ was the sinner in re: ^

asciilifeform: !s heroes hang while traitors triumph

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wut

asciilifeform: (smbx boxen used fujitsu 'eagle' drive like every other mini of the period)

asciilifeform: standardization of components at that time had touched only disks

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you wanted to upgrade a pdp you had to buy from dec, etc

asciilifeform: and modify that bit

asciilifeform: and came with the soft, the source, and with the important detail that you could point at ANYTHING running and get its source IN REAL TIME

asciilifeform: it was just a costly piece of industrial equipment, no trickery involved

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, for one thing, you could actually BUY the machine

asciilifeform: thing came with N cpu, X mb of ram, etc. and you would RENT them by the hour.

asciilifeform: from 1960s on.

asciilifeform: who did not sell (yes) their machines, but ~rented~ time on EACH CPU to the 'owner', along with the soft

asciilifeform: the true pioneers of 'apple store' model were... ibm

asciilifeform: smbx corp also did not burn rome or invade stalingrad.

asciilifeform: go review the lit.

asciilifeform: nothing to do with any of it

asciilifeform: if cat-picture-watchers were not the dominant market segment

asciilifeform: and actually still does

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they, along with lmi, texas instruments, racal norsk, and possibly a few others, sold dedicated lisp cpu. which made engineering sense at the time

asciilifeform: circa early '90s.

asciilifeform: on a legit, pressed cd

asciilifeform: i actually have the smbx source right here.

asciilifeform: what on earth are you on about.

asciilifeform: whole motherfucking thing SHIPPED WITH SOURCE

asciilifeform: mno

asciilifeform: how?

asciilifeform: wat?!

asciilifeform: wai wut ?!

asciilifeform: (they did not make personal comp, nor ever threaten to)

asciilifeform: btw i'm not even sure it makes sense to compare the two - smbx was in an industry almost unrelated as, e.g., j. d. rockefeller's

asciilifeform: right now best we have was 'symbolics, the failure of heterogeneous engineering' (by some chick?) ☟︎

asciilifeform would like to read a mircea_popescu mega-piece on the death of smbx one day

asciilifeform: quite arguably so

asciilifeform: see for instance rms

asciilifeform: but it is true, it was widely hated, even when small

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and the other computer vendors at the time were angels ?

asciilifeform: were 15k even built?

asciilifeform: the ultimate 'computer for k00l d00dz'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd much like to be proven wrong... go, bring back symbolics co.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373639 << jurov gets it. ☝︎

asciilifeform: srsly.

asciilifeform: BECAUSE INDUSTRY

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks ☝︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: and it was much more of a realistic proposition than hand-made vlsi.

asciilifeform: not even queen victoria was willing to pay for what a ~completed~ difference engine cost.

asciilifeform: and will.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373617 << it is ~possible~ to nanofabricate pentium atom by atom, by hand. will you ever have one ? no. will sultan of brunei have one? also no - he could buy MAXINT whores instead ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: as is the cpu in engine comp. ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373590 << the led in that turn signal is same as in a toyota. ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: nor could have been.

asciilifeform: there was no ferrari in 1850. ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373573 << this is lunacy. each of those machines exists because there IS a mass market for machine tools, the requisite raw materials, the skill set of the readily available assemblers, and in fact a large number of the parts per se ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373557 << disingenuous comparison, airplane needs no infrastructure other than 2 runways (and, if seaplane or heli, not them either) ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373549 << snobol, the language of snobs !!11 (tm) (r) (my brother's aphorisms) ☝︎

asciilifeform: mod6: very spiffy, looking forward to this

asciilifeform: and $100k of schooling and licensing, etc

asciilifeform: or at least the radio equivalent

asciilifeform: today one is not permitted to fly so much as a mile without filling out forms in triplicate ☟︎

asciilifeform: this was, of course, ~before~ the usgization of flight

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373550 << mno, they were cardboard and in many cases cost less than the cars of the time ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: (in the latter case, the whole thing melts down)

asciilifeform: aha the hashes either match, or they do not

asciilifeform: was it the lexical order thing?

asciilifeform: did we? i forget

asciilifeform: original box, too

asciilifeform: it's yours for the cost of postage.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373514 << i have a box right here ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: possibly both.

asciilifeform: if 2 vtrons give variant output on same input, ~someone~ has catastrophically-broken system

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373510 << this, if true, is a serious condition and you ought post how/what ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373505 << l0lwut ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373499 << very direly, importantly, yes ☝︎

asciilifeform: and my original (unpublished) attempt was in ... awk & sed

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373494 << i've actually thought about writing, for lulz, a vtron in... gnumake ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373631 << possibly tank for 'buran' shuttle ☝︎

asciilifeform: ... was it one of the numerous scurrying vermin theo allows himself to be surrounded by?

asciilifeform: and, the mega-question

asciilifeform: (though in this case, it is likely to be names - plural)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do we have a name yet ?

asciilifeform: but apparently this aspect is not essential..

asciilifeform: (for instance, i still don't really know what neobee supposedly was to have done)

asciilifeform: apparently the mere promise of 'this is the next thing' is sufficient scambait for avaricious idiots

asciilifeform: the thing-these-supposedly-are is usually an afterthought

asciilifeform: am i the only one who thinks of... chastity belt, when reads 'maidsafe'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i only see 5 ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but you can trivially set it to whatever

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i left the original format string intact

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: proper blackhole, with the characteristic logz, or plain old lag ?

asciilifeform: (implemented on a cl, yes, but is really a specialist tool)

asciilifeform: adlai: it is not a general-purpose lisp at all