asciilifeform: perhaps a better example would've been the 10,000 yrs of australian abo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the egypt point is in re: the fact that the 3000th yr was quite like the 4000th and entirely possibly indistinguishable even to pro archaeologist
asciilifeform: wake me up from my grave when, e.g., the gunpowder fashion, dies down.
asciilifeform: polarbeard: why not try your hand at, say, a tx debugger? sorely needed item
asciilifeform: but overall, dependency on ~more~ unix tools is a bad thing, and dependency on ~more complicated~ and less-likely-to-be-reimplemented-by-wot-folk-soon tools, likewise
asciilifeform: which is how i ended up ~not~ doing it in gnumake
asciilifeform: also it appears that his version requires you to manually munge it every time a new patch is added
asciilifeform: (no, you don't ~have~ to split the patches into patchons, to do this)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: apparently fella wanted to reimplement v in gnumake (as i once considered doing) but made some peculiar design decisions along the way
asciilifeform: i can't speak for ben_vulpes, but the idea that folks who what they do for some explicable reason, rather than because of daemonic possession, was - imho - an advance.
asciilifeform: see the su privatization thread again, if this does not make sense.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: folks who have enough capital to eat the drawn dividends, eat that, and never eat capital. the rest of us, eat whatever falls into the hopper
asciilifeform: wait till polarbeard finds out what ~else~ we intend to implement for the n+1th time
asciilifeform: i read the whole thing, still can't figure out the 'why'
asciilifeform: and too lazy to bust the idiot nagware
asciilifeform: doubly lulzy when you're all pro re folks who 'ida' all day long
asciilifeform: emacs is a thick enough, barbed enough broomstick, that this is not hard to pull off
asciilifeform: sublime dicks, on the other hand, is mega-popular for some reason, colleagues had it and i lullzed seeing the nag popup interrupt their session
asciilifeform: i thought 'atom' was a www syndicatron thing
asciilifeform: a much stronger ownership than ANYBODY in usa has of ANY real estate
asciilifeform: whereas sov flat inhabitant could only be dislodged by death or prison term
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and not actually similar, even where exist. american 'sec 8' leprosoria are not in any sense whatsoever owned by the inhabitants
asciilifeform: but somehow most ended up bought up by folks who didn't have to worry about eatin'
asciilifeform: ... ditto the flats, which were now owned by the residents, making 'insta-millionaires'
asciilifeform: so that folks could eat a little in the hungry '90s
asciilifeform: and pretty much all ended up sold for nanopennies
asciilifeform: de-sovietized affairs of all kinds, from oil&gas to factories, etc. were turned into stock, 'vouchers', parcelled out among the peeeeeple
asciilifeform: also i am quite amused thinking about how ben_vulpes quasi-offered me work in a shop where the toilet paper is supposed to be an appealing perk
asciilifeform: at least here in the reservation, this is so.
asciilifeform: BUT these folks are typically 'bred to be eaten', heavily selected in the first place for the kind of behaviours that preclude 500k-in-pocket.
asciilifeform: he ~could~ put the 500 in his pocket instead of mortgaging his anal virginity to a 10m cardboard 'house'.
asciilifeform: and by no automagic means 'investor-grade' humanoid.☟︎
asciilifeform: a 500k/y chump is just a slightly higher-powered chump
asciilifeform: in a sufficiently intense collapse one might expect the toilets themselves to disappear, eventually
asciilifeform: there are tales of truck stops in finland being picked clean, early '90s, even of fixtures like mirrors and toilet paper ~holders~, for a while. then they were re-equipped sov-style to have nothing worth taking
asciilifeform: oh and you're not running a proper sov-collapse shop until the workers have to bring own shitpaper
asciilifeform: the other takeaway is that ~nsf~ specifically is a magical thing in that the dean had nothing whatsoever to worry about, even if the grant were for reprocessing babies into lollipops, he would never be answerable for it - washington ~signed~, aha
asciilifeform: quite enough to run a large lab for a year+.
asciilifeform: as a former participant in the racket, i will say that 8m - even in ~today~'s watered-down usg - is a princely grant bag.
asciilifeform: and to leave plenty over for the common piggy☟︎
asciilifeform: quite enough to feed two derpatronicists and a dozen slave labourers
asciilifeform: nobody throws out $8M in nsf grantola
asciilifeform: my point is that it went down exactly how i knew it would - dean looked at the books and understood where the payola comes from, and did not ask further questions of anybody.
