asciilifeform: incidentally it blew my mind when ben_vulpes told us that some of his workers commute on bike

asciilifeform: 978 motherfucking keywords in ansi std. ☟︎

asciilifeform: eh no it doesn't, wtf

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the kind that puts caltrops in front of trucks on a highway ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: possibly. but iirc that one was quite ready for the glue factory

asciilifeform: adlai: eh, if everyone knew this, how would we readily distinguish n00bz in conversation..

asciilifeform: or do they rebarrel'em somewhere.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where do you suppose they put spent ninjashotguns ?

asciilifeform: n00bz should not only read the logz but be grateful they don't have to learn 5,000 kanji first.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a spiffy article, 'variety speak' a while back.

asciilifeform: i was not able to decipher this

asciilifeform: which?

asciilifeform: hm?

asciilifeform: and even there folks chortled when i asked 'notice no mention of complexity class proof or even assumption'

asciilifeform: funnily enough, we did a walkover of the shmoo talks, incl. the crackpot algebraiceraser crypto thing, at the slave galley

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: (as secure as 8x the bits of rsa!1111111)

asciilifeform: see also the ecc claptrap

asciilifeform: this is elementary.

asciilifeform: don't expect ~sane~ crypto out of the leprosorium

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: yes. see also earlier link.

asciilifeform: (vs gigantic ivan iv - style cauldron)

asciilifeform: i really pictured more of a cray.

asciilifeform: with no backs, interesting.

asciilifeform: oh huh

asciilifeform: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/crays/cray1/portrait/DSC08196.JPG << for reference

asciilifeform: l0l!

asciilifeform: oh? why not

asciilifeform: cray 1 rather

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, i now envision your toilet-of-the-future as looking rather like a cray-II.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: will have to spend a weekend, possibly risk opening a book

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: my personal favourite readily-available lisp runtime

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: http://sbcl.org

asciilifeform: and nobody even notices the cpp is gone.

asciilifeform: until the whole thing, one fine day, starts just fine in a mildly massaged sbcl

asciilifeform: aha. slowly cut off chunks & replace with it.

asciilifeform: so perhaps i can now admit to having this quietly on my hdd.

asciilifeform: implement tx debugger, sane logger instrumentation, and 101 other things, IN IT

asciilifeform: if gonna add 1k lines, make it... tinyscheme-89

asciilifeform: l0l! is this a ref to something?

asciilifeform: achtung, panzers! does 99.39.110.89 (99-39-110-89.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) belong to one of ye lot ?

asciilifeform: 'let's add the library' is, in mircea_popescu's well-chosen wordz, 'the hole through which the night slides in'

asciilifeform: BUT NOT by adding some derp's 'log library'

asciilifeform: with that in mind, YES, the logs need timestamps, or better still, an adjustable format, verbosity levels, etc.

asciilifeform: i thought all of this was elementarily obvious.

asciilifeform: ~likewise~ any change that increases substantially the number of lines written by non-wot folks, is ipso facto a loss.

asciilifeform: (as discussed in the c++11 thread)

asciilifeform: removing boost would be a worthy thing. BUT NOT if it multiplies the line count 2x, OR if it entails forcing gcc5 build

asciilifeform: adding an ~additional~ turd to the ball of shit, is not. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ergo replacing, e.g., openssl, with a 1000 line thing THAT CAN BE UNDERSTOOD, is a worthy thing

asciilifeform: fuck that.

asciilifeform: it is bad enough that trb has 500 man-year of study baked into it. let's now add a 501st ?

asciilifeform: mno.

asciilifeform: 'let's add this useful!11111 pheature'

asciilifeform: this is how we got prb.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382747 << ftr i do not like this one bit. WHY ADD 1000 LINES OF ???? ☝︎

asciilifeform: and the ocean is made of boiling oil.

asciilifeform: the correct model is that there are no other ships.

asciilifeform: 'deck chairs on titanic' ☟︎

asciilifeform: ... because it does not solve any of the dire problems of the era

asciilifeform: anyway i did not touch the json thing for the same reason i did not touch the whitespace formatting

asciilifeform: i.e. something built by the hands of ACTUAL people, that WORKED, but taken by jolt-cola-drinking jwz types and 'hacked!111 1333773d' into... what we have

asciilifeform: all sv garbage is of this general flavour, incidentally

asciilifeform: json is really sexpr but was dropped as a baby

asciilifeform: in ascii.

asciilifeform: and correctly implementable by a stray dog

asciilifeform: which is 'standard' that fits in ONE MOTHERFUCKING PARAGRAPH

asciilifeform: and the logical replacement is sexpr. ☟︎

asciilifeform: it is intrinsically retarded

asciilifeform: ~genuine~ reduction in complexity specifically excludes shenanigans where it is 'swept under the rug' and hidden somewhere else

asciilifeform: sorta what i meant in earlier thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2016#1380326 ☝︎

asciilifeform: punkman: any written by wot men?

asciilifeform: punkman: when the standard does not fit-in-head and yields 200kB of heathen code - it can go die

asciilifeform: but unix doesn't give us a rpc-thing that doesn't suck

asciilifeform: because it sux

asciilifeform: or at the worst, a simple telnet-type protocol

asciilifeform: if you recall, i wanted to replace it with unix signals.

asciilifeform: i very dearly wanted to rip it out, but then all the robotics folks are presently 'come to expect' will have to be scrapped.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is still there because that is how the rpc thing works

asciilifeform: but they gotta be separate.

asciilifeform: ok to make the two patches in one sitting

asciilifeform: we aren't trying to minimize patch-line-counts AS SUCH

asciilifeform: punkman: this is very much the wrong idea

asciilifeform: 'does this do X and ONLY X'

asciilifeform: *patch

asciilifeform: this makes it considerably easier to evaluate every path

asciilifeform: but ~in own patch~

asciilifeform: the vestigial wx crapolade needs to go

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my original thumbs-down for his patch was on account of bundling multiple-unlikes

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: in that he has to work on certain flavours of shit icecream, in order to eat

asciilifeform: one way to look at it is that he isn't much more of a 'free man' than, e.g., i am

asciilifeform: right

asciilifeform: ^see also

asciilifeform: !s from:mircea_popescu originality

asciilifeform: and with devising block ciphers, which is very easy to 'do'

asciilifeform: so he's stuck with the ecc gargle.

asciilifeform: even if ~that would be the Right Thing~

asciilifeform: just like you don't become a famous small arms designer by refining the kalash

asciilifeform: problem is that one doesn't get to 'make a name' in academe as 'cryptographer' by pushing rsa. ☟︎