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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alrighty then.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but it's lulzy to watch the mutilation victims rave about their "victories" as the chainsaw revs for another pass.
mircea_popescu: it was fully gm'd back when i wrote that article. such dun help.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BCH has a lulzy twist, a difficulty blow off valve for this contingency. Insures terminal yo-yo'ing
BingoBoingo: Anyways the "Turkey dollars" refers to the dollars that could buy BTC
mircea_popescu: whaack didja read the woes of altcoin thing ?
whaack: I guess when the miners stop raising the difficulty
BingoBoingo: How do you know if they have BTC to prop up? Wouldn't be the first time the insolvent lied.
whaack: until whatever chest of btc they have is drained
whaack: well you don't get stuck without a block, but you get 2016 very quick blocks (that the turkey dollars club must have btc to prop up) and then 12h or w/e without a block
BingoBoingo: Even with BCH's "Emergency difficulty adjustment" (allegedly drops difficulty after X time without a block found)
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << whaack This becomes untenable for whoever is dumping turkey dollars into propping up BCH, exactly because of the altcoin woes
whaack: Seems like the miners have an additional incentive to go back to btc after driving up the bch difficulty, since in addition to the 4x bch difficulty the btc difficulty will have dipped (however slightly) due to their absence while mining bch.
BingoBoingo: lol, seems like someone doesn't know how the Altcoin problem works http://qntra.net/2017/07/a-quick-faq-about-the-not-bitcoin-fork-bitcoin-cash/#comment-108317
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://archive.is/948EL >> '...the government knew that the firms were on the edge of massive profitability and that they were in fact not insolvent. ...They did it to steal the profits from the company -- which means they stole the shareholder's property to fund other things - including Obamacare.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702512 << reads like the same ameritards as before, 'can haz reddit and paypal but kinder and gentler' ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702513 << this is why restarts seem to help -- goes and begs for blox again ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( if someone has idea for a useful alteration that doesn't requite 1000s loc, plox to write in. )
asciilifeform: this is the traditional bitcoin sync behaviour, and i have not altered it.
asciilifeform: and then never again! will passively sit and wait 'for rain to fall into mouth'
asciilifeform: the reason why mike_c's node appears 'stalled' is that it stopped fetching blocks. trb's block sync behaviour is unspeakably moronic, it will attempt 'long sync' ONCE, on warmup ☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. accepts connections, processes mempool tx ( which, if said tx relies on a yet-unseen block, WILL be rejected, and will look exactly like the snippet mike_c posted, and in fact most of the debug log of a syncing node WILL consist of these )
asciilifeform: if trb node is not fetching blocks, but is not showing symptoms of 'black hole'
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mike_c http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702508 << this is NORMAL behaviour for a trb node. and see below re 'stalls' : ☝︎
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/729p2/?raw=true
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell mike_c http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4d0p4/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: no, it was around ww2, they just stole all real estate.
ben_vulpes: you mean it wasn't all whining and pleases and you shoulds the first time through?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes amusingly, this dekulakization v2.0 very pussy-like.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Whitey ate their houses
mircea_popescu: one generation too late for that.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: hey if everything can't be free, maybe we can guilt whitey into giving us their houses and inheritances
ben_vulpes: but the error i hit was 'pthread: command not found', which...wat
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Remember that when a leftist group gets COINTELPRO'd that it's because USG wants the shit they are selling
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: lol that leo piece. "left is hell-bent on discrediting itself", or how did it go
ben_vulpes: bringing a trb node up on whatever gentoo image scaleway has; 'pthread: command not found', log notes indicate patch necessary to cmake CheckIncludeFiles.cmake, investigation of which shows...no cmake on this box
ben_vulpes: today's american political wtf: "John Brown, of an anti-Trump group calling itself the Redneck Revolt, wore military fatigues and had an AK-47 rifle strapped to his chest as he and a half dozen others from the group stood about 30 feet behind the barricade for protesters. He said they were there to protect Trump opponents and stand up to fascism."
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-mangocratic-oath/ << Trilema - The Mangocratic Oath
mike_c: how the fuck is litecoin still a thing
mike_c: still? I guess boost qualifies as that
ben_vulpes: mike_c: it is, after all, windows technology
BingoBoingo: In the turrdorist department https://archive.is/MuV2n ☟︎
mike_c: doh. trb node stalled out.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E3B12CF9DB37F5874E36BAF6296D95DA4D187F4B923CDCD104EAD2CA08DA0910 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1484...0053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.44.141 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.44.141 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (booksy5.booksy.se. SE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E3B12CF9DB37F5874E36BAF6296D95DA4D187F4B923CDCD104EAD2CA08DA0910 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1437...7653 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.44.141 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.44.141 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (booksy5.booksy.se. SE)
BingoBoingo: I thought it popped up around ClassicCoin's proposal
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it predates trb by a bit at least, ya.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/20/bch-bcc-to-btc-brokerage/#footnote_0_19497 << updated max fee because today was a day of hard knock learnin', particularly around what btc actually goes for these days and how to dun read gud.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea site was that old.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it was one of those "please to submit your version details" so... i did. can't recall if i actually clicked the "emergent consensus" button seriously or in jest, or if it was something that the hosts ticked, but it was definitely a test to see if they'd keep it up or not. looks like they have.
BingoBoingo: Dey took ur jerb!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes evidently they're pissy about "he took our jerbs".
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski for that site ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: gems in the linked piece in re bulldozer on tracks
pete_dushenski: lol pretty sure i wrote that coin.dance blurb however many years back
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/gOIbx/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hilariously wrong description of trb
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes is the contention union position is unreasonable ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 23:56 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and speaking of nodes and things, https://coin.dance/nodes << never saw this one before, pretty cool blurb there on trb.
mircea_popescu has been staring at this log snippet incomprehendingly.
asciilifeform: ( if yer here, you too have a net pipe ! )
asciilifeform: if speaking of cheap nodez, zoolag costs ~0 ( aside from disks ) , i get fiber to the grounds regardless
BingoBoingo: <whaack> so..does the USD monthly fee estimates imply it doesn't matter if you posses the metal? and if it doesn't matter, what are the hosting suggestions/guidelines? << A node is not a wallet, doesn't hurt to spread a few around.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i mean, a trb capable machine is somewhere in the 50-100 bux / month range, certainly an expense but not the end of the world. << Negrodamus, i.e. 192.187.99.74 rents for less
ben_vulpes: and recommendation ssd; although spinning rust not impossibru to get by with it ain't long for this world.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No idea what the concretes are beyond the admission that poverty is the condition of having a dysfunctional WoT
ben_vulpes: and totally aren't saboteurs either!
asciilifeform: if that's 'pretty good', what does prettybad look like
ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/oxRxc << ...unions refuse "to accept responsibility for service disruptions that negatively affect the customers when we have no input on operational changes."
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 23:56 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and speaking of nodes and things, https://coin.dance/nodes << never saw this one before, pretty cool blurb there on trb.
mircea_popescu: whaack dun imply anything, you can surely put together older gear in your den or w/e.
mircea_popescu: us army trying to "sort out america" would last sixteen hours. provided they start early in the morning.
mircea_popescu: lol @lafond "us military is called in to sort out what is left of america". here's the scoop : us military is <100k, most of which desk flyers, out of shape and combat-useless. ever since vietnam all the us army did was "consultancy", for locals willing to fight, where they could be found.
whaack: so..does the USD monthly fee estimates imply it doesn't matter if you posses the metal? and if it doesn't matter, what are the hosting suggestions/guidelines?
mod6: To all L1 who do not have a TRB node yet, please start this process now-ish, and let me know if you need a hand standing one up when ready.
mircea_popescu: i mean, a trb capable machine is somewhere in the 50-100 bux / month range, certainly an expense but not the end of the world.
mod6: I guess I'd like to see all of L1 at least have a trb node at least sync'ing by years end. That's a good goal.
mod6: well, I think we should certainly encourage all to run a node. but yeah, maybe give it some time. my node is close, but 20k blocks behind currently.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html : are we making it bad form for l1 to not have a node up ? or waiting till next year ?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 4082.0, Best ask: 4082.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 4082.0, 24 hour volume: 61725.61235773, 24 hour low: 3599.0, 24 hour high: 4141.9, 24 hour vwap: None
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and speaking of nodes and things, https://coin.dance/nodes << never saw this one before, pretty cool blurb there on trb. ☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: And then this discussion on the not quite backed up web in the comments http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8738&pr=1
BingoBoingo: A discovery on Infiltration from the department of web backups that are not https://archive.is/xbdld
BingoBoingo: ^ From the between Berlin and Moscow department of departments
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/austria-and-car-makers-conspire-to-cripple-600000-cars-already-sold/ << Qntra - Austria And Car Makers Conspire To Cripple 600,000 Cars Already Sold
mod6: Also all, I have updated the howto page to link the trusted-nodes page as well: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
mod6: Ok all: trinque, ben_vulpes, asciilifeform, pete_dushenski, mircea_popescu : I have updated the trusted-nodes page, please take a look and verify that the information for your nodes is correct, thank you! http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 since these are public and publicly known, how about adding an irc name next to the ip ? so i know who to talk to. << sure, working on the updates now...
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 21:36 mircea_popescu: nor to 172.86.178.46
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702390 << for some reason i thought that one was mircea_popescu's ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 21:35 mircea_popescu: ftr, only a coupla of those five actually work. i can connect to 46.166.165.30 regularly but can not connect to eg 108.31.170.49
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 21:40 mod6: And as far as I know, that one is re-syncing.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702394 << it is zoolag, it is resyncing, and ( i assume everybody knows ) it is ~impossible to usefully connect to a trb node that is syncing ☝︎
mircea_popescu: mod6 since these are public and publicly known, how about adding an irc name next to the ip ? so i know who to talk to.
trinque: so yeah, looks like there's one ahead yet
mircea_popescu: trinque are you one block behind btw ? i think that might make this setup not count you