asciilifeform: they dun seem to have any capacity to learn from obv mistakes, either -- witness how literally same scenario replayed with linus

asciilifeform: valinux << iirc esr's warcrime

asciilifeform: also gotta luvv how e.g. '3MB of autoconfolade' is somehow considered 'fleadom-related quality'

asciilifeform: cuz not fsfy enuff, or sumthing.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phunphakt, in '07 asciilifeform naively tried to get a repo hosted there. was ~turned down~

asciilifeform: pretty sure the fsf folx still host the (last?) remaining cvs repos tho.

asciilifeform: lol!

asciilifeform: mega-'cooperation', these folx fight like two cannibals on lifeboat when given half a chance

asciilifeform: really rms's lmi wars replay

asciilifeform: lol!

asciilifeform: ( 1 nitpick -- no bolix xrays yet, only target practice ; still waitin' for crate of largeformat film to show up )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: loox pretty good imho

asciilifeform will have to sleep on hanbot's q; bbl

asciilifeform: hanbot: got it. reminds me of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-09#1870372 , very similar . ☝︎

asciilifeform: whothefuck forges orc scrip

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc the new ones aint even magnetic anymoar

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect the tards have nfi what is or could be 'sane stack' even if it bit'em. comical to watch, rather like a nigerian forger who dun know what colour benjie is even supposed to be

asciilifeform: lol cock inductor

asciilifeform: sorta like the various prb

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a coupla of these 'going' atm

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520455 << subj ☝︎

asciilifeform: !#s kick the dog then shoot

asciilifeform: ( not even to speak of kr, vietnam, etc. identical replay of algo )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i got 1 better, in ameri-schooling they still peddle w. r. hearst's fiction re 'the maine'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yer vz chix still sitting in warsawghetto^H^H^H^H^Hvz suburb , with grandmother , or wat

asciilifeform: but evidently it worx

asciilifeform: i have nfi what was in the vhs propaganda tapes baked for south amer orcs, i only saw the ones for sovok

asciilifeform: and under whip of 'humanitarian experts'

asciilifeform: i suppose notion is, that they will soon, for chance at ticket to miami mecca

asciilifeform: (this is why they're rare -- and not because asciilifeform bought'em all)

asciilifeform: e.g. the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896836 thing, iirc contains no fewer than 3g ~per~ ☝︎

asciilifeform: (without even having to sweat on equator)

asciilifeform: typical ex-sovok chip recycler nets similar

asciilifeform: klondike, eh

asciilifeform: wtf even ~is~ in nicaragua other than 'don bigote, no mata el perro!'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: supposedly whole usg orchestra, inc rooftop sniper brigade, already in colombia waiting for marching order

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: guiado 'requested aid'; maduro banned 'aid' from border; the open q is, will shoot or not

asciilifeform: same algo since, when, korean war, they have this 1 broken record.

asciilifeform recalls also pete_d's attempts to sell a 'rebrand' of fuckgoats somewhere

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: hrm. was definitely summer of '17 tho

asciilifeform remembers this purely from head, but prolly there's a log somewhere

asciilifeform: didn't make it into the piece, but was in the chan

asciilifeform: aa that was in the catv dig

asciilifeform: 'mit phuctor'

asciilifeform: most recently in july iirc

asciilifeform: one might naively picture heathens would jump at 'i bring martian tech and +9000 strength of will' etc. but nope. 'we built a++ straw plane, cargo when'

asciilifeform: nope, it's the item mircea_popescu did full postmortem on, linked above

asciilifeform: was their proj title

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc 'suckless' == cat-v

asciilifeform realizes that he never actually tried to build a gcc w/out cppism support. this really gotta be tried

asciilifeform: did not find any hard-dependency on cpp in 4.9 other than when it builds cpp standard lib

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my dig confirms

asciilifeform: nfi re nao

asciilifeform: well mine does. but i built in 2011

asciilifeform: ( tinyscheme also pretty crufty but at least ~small~ )

asciilifeform: it is ! it's the turd the gimp folx replaced ye olde tinyscheme with

asciilifeform spend 2d digging in tcc and a (sad) attempt at crystallography

asciilifeform: sounds like a++ day off from us glued-to-terminal snoarpeoples

asciilifeform: oh hey wb mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in dead links, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569984 ☝︎

asciilifeform: they have 9000

asciilifeform: eh so it won't be ~that~ sow, will be some other sow

asciilifeform wonders if that's where mircea_popescu went, to watch from front row..

asciilifeform: ( i.e. coupla-km column of trucks fulla ak & ammo ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: in other hilarities, usg 'humanitarian convoy' set to break through vz border some time this weekend ☟︎

asciilifeform bbl

asciilifeform: https://www.dentalkart.com/eco.html << subj.

asciilifeform: the win was that it was fast -- no darkroom , expose the little enema-like thing it comes in, then manually masturbate it for min or so, wash, and scan.

asciilifeform: ( i suspect it aint the best 35mm film either, and the 'monobath' developer worsens the already pretty severe grain.. )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that's prolly last 1 for a while, it's just about the limit of what can be done with the dentist 35mm film

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol

asciilifeform: "мазать уже можно..."(tm)(r)

asciilifeform: https://repo.or.cz/tinycc.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/x86_64-gen.c << ditto, x64.

asciilifeform: in entirely other olds, https://repo.or.cz/tinycc.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/arm64-gen.c << current (?) arm64 backend of tcc. ( nfi whether worx -- but pretty compact , as these go. )

asciilifeform: based on looking at the src, ^ appears to be troo re ave1's, and the claim on bootstrappable.org -- disinfo

asciilifeform: via bvt's link : '...versions of GCC prior to 4.8 also allow bootstrapping with a ISO C89 compiler and versions of GCC prior to 3.4 also allow bootstrapping with a traditional (K&R) C compiler...'

asciilifeform: lotsa .cc ( also cpp ) , but not clear that they're part of gcc proper, rather than cpp standard lib. will require a proper walk (or , alternatively, to rebuild the thing with flags banning cppism and see if barfs )

asciilifeform: so entirely possible that the '4.7' thing is disinfo

asciilifeform: a quick look at the ave1gnat src reveals ~2dozen .cpp , but they all look to be part of the cpp test suite

asciilifeform: linked pg claims '4.7 last'. hence q.

asciilifeform: if there is, it must go.

asciilifeform: bvt: q is whether there is cppism in the 4.9.

asciilifeform: ^ is this troo ? cuz if yes, possibly we're on the 'wrong' gnat.. ☟︎

asciilifeform: other interesting claims, in https://bootstrappable.org/projects.html we find that 'The C and C++ compilers of the GNU Compiler Collection make up the foundation of many free software distributions. Current versions of GCC are written in C++, which means that a C++ compiler is needed to build it from source. GCC 4.7 was the last version of the collection that could be built with a plain C compiler'

asciilifeform: bvt: imho still worth a test-fire, i'm curious if even given the stated conditions the thing runs

asciilifeform: ( sect. 2.1 in linked doc )

asciilifeform: ok this didn't take long... claims to 'bootstrap from 500 byte assembler', in opening page, but then : 'GNU Guile, version 2.0.13 or later, including 2.2.x; GNU Make. NYACC, 0.86.0 is known to work. GCC’s gcc, version 2.95.3 or later.'

asciilifeform: https://www.gnu.org/software/mes/manual/mes.html << subj docs, for the l0gz

asciilifeform: but won't complain, pleasant surprises are few in life

asciilifeform: i admit, will be surprised if it actually does what's printed on the box, and still i never heard of it

asciilifeform: loox potentially interesting tho. bvt didja try it ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: nope

asciilifeform: in other olds, http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/tinycc-devel/2005-09/msg00054.html << report re how gcc built with tcc ( spoiler : ancient gcc, and still required some patching )

asciilifeform brb,meatsystems

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you can muster the juice, wainot try an' wake him . iirc mircea_popescu has a ~100% 1shot 1kill record for these.

asciilifeform: iirc classic tcc built self + kernel

asciilifeform does not even know what to add to ~that~..

asciilifeform: 'My wife's name is Fade. We got married at Penguicon 2007. Fade's boss Steve Jackson officiated, and Eric Raymond was best man. (The wedding fit into a 1 hour panel slot and was moved once so as not to conflict with an Elizabeth Bear panel Fade wanted to attend, and a Charlie Stross panel Steve wanted to attend. Yes, we're all that geeky.)'

asciilifeform: i'ma roust him when we get own tccism going