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mircea_popescu: let's try a different approach here.

mircea_popescu: but, back to the problem, i dunno why i should credit chinese history more than i credit any other imaginary characters history. there's a history of desdemona, you know, as "brought to life" by various gals over the ages and the stages.

mircea_popescu: this is the "economic cycle", and it's been playing out since 1800, ie, since these schmuckls got together in a burg and read newspapers.

mircea_popescu: at which juncture, all teh merchants in the burg ~publicly~ agree it's a bad thing (in general, mind you!) for anything to get in the way of business and therefore clothing the poor naked whores and feeding candy to their crying spawn ;

mircea_popescu: generally this takes the refinment of "more general", just for good measure. cuz they're not a bunch of morons, see. women and children and everyone else do well to follow their wise lead!

mircea_popescu: so, whenever some unpleasant shit happens, such as the merchant fleet stepping on a rake, all the merchants in the burg agree : a) that nobody could have predicted it ; thus therefore b) that, individually and personally, none of them could possibly be blamed ; and thus c) some agreement should be made to in the future avoid such unplesantries.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me tell you a story about regulation.

asciilifeform: ( they have even a 'national humiliation day' as holiday, commemorating defeat in opium war )

asciilifeform: ( incidentally, asciilifeform thinks of 'the chinese' in ~past tense~, afaik the current inhabitants are a continuation of euro thinking, rather than the folx who spun in circles in xyz b.c. )

asciilifeform: they also have a word for latrine, big fat deal ( or mircea_popescu would contend that 'king who fails to pass his regular kinging litmus' aint a universal item ? )

asciilifeform: it's a fundamentally euro limb to walk on, 'fuck you all, if it dun model it dun exist'

asciilifeform: incidentally, the very same chinese had a term for this, 'lost mandate of heaven'

mircea_popescu: guy liked playing bacarrat. guy was present at a table. others (wjho didn't like, and didn't play) picked a cheater. king... ABDICATED

mircea_popescu: anyway, it's deeply untrue "kind had trouble tying own shoes". the habsburg empire (to this date a model for wanna-bes, from bahamas' crowd to merkel etc) ended very much by bombsteroid dropping. but other than that, the last emperor franz as the last emperor albert-edward had a lot in common : very socialist outset.

mircea_popescu: seems to me that if i take a flamethrower to a beehive or if the queen bee just fucking dies one morning you'd have DIFFERENT situations. not even then ?

asciilifeform: there's a contiguous functioning throne in armenia ?! or venice??

a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 18:25 mircea_popescu: consider the armenians ; or the venetians. both encountered the exact same problem (not invented by them, either) : bad demographic breakdown. do you know for a fact the machined-down zulus had "enhabsburgated" ? there is such thing as "cut down in prime", why not.

mircea_popescu: because i offer a unifying criterion!

mircea_popescu: gimme a break, just because an (unrelated) demented fellow built some great palaces and schonnbrun is well painted dun make some sort of answer to the questions of life.

mircea_popescu: but "the habsburgs" aren't a fucking item. who, which ? die kaisrin, habsburg ? her mother ? her eldest sister ? her eldest brother ?

mircea_popescu: i do not believe "the grand truths" of european descent have much import outside of a world seen through european eyes

a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 18:18 mircea_popescu: there's no objective truth'll get you into a girl's hotpants. you realise this ?

asciilifeform: re reversed -- iirc in prev thread , went mircea_popescu : 'justify this constant logically!' a: 'not errything can be justified, sometimes yer stuck using guts!'

asciilifeform: well for instance, i'm getting to hear a 'this model may be good bedtime story, and sorta hangs together, but ultimately tells you nuffin actionable' from the (apparently) last fella who runs freud model

mircea_popescu: in exchange i'll give you this great tool : math is a great model for math. because whenever math works, math works, and also -- when doesn't... doesn't.

mircea_popescu: consider the armenians ; or the venetians. both encountered the exact same problem (not invented by them, either) : bad demographic breakdown. do you know for a fact the machined-down zulus had "enhabsburgated" ? there is such thing as "cut down in prime", why not. ☟︎

asciilifeform: let's hear about the excluded counters ? e.g. is there a dynasty still going somewhere for 1000y that never enhabsburgated into idiocy ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: this is a purely subjective distinction.

asciilifeform: i.e. you can't use it to aim a cannon, or navigate, etc

mircea_popescu: you understand this, if i and you are florentines, and you teach me the facts of life, there's a very fundamental difference between "a. get boat ; b. use lodestone, navigate ; c. find curio ; d. bring back home. e. trade for lots of dough and good things, including a desdemona ; f. strangle her for being a whore" whether i say "i don't know this lodestone model be worth my time" or i say "i dunno this strangling be worth my

mircea_popescu: there's no objective truth'll get you into a girl's hotpants. you realise this ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( for n00bz : nobody has ever measured a movement of a continental plate directly, and nobody will. but it's the only model that even starts to make sense of various minerological strata distributions. and so there it is. )

mircea_popescu: in short, i don't mean that it dun persuade me "it's the case". it dun persuade me it's worth my time as a model.

asciilifeform: i'm suspecting an ~absence~ of a distinction, rather than a distinction. i.e. they eat an' shit just like in europistan, and they also complexity-collapse.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-13 16:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769922 << "You suddenly see that Shakespear, with all his flashes and divinations, never understood virtue and courage, never conceived how any man who was not a fool could, like Bunyan’s hero, look back from the brink of the river of death over the strife and labor of his pilgrimage, and say 'yet I do not repent me'; or, with the panache of a millionaire, bequeath 'my sword to him that sh

mircea_popescu: "artistic" as opposed to "conventional" in much the same way you propose "authentic" oppose "coherent". but mind for a second -- if your army's based on the enemy, you have no army at all, yes ?

mircea_popescu: shall i quote 1880s to you ? here : "The room was a long and lofty one, furnished in the stern uncompromising style of the Mahogany Age, now supplanted by the later fashions of decoration which, in their outset original and artistic, seem fairly on the way to become as meaningless and conventional."

asciilifeform: there was a thread coupla yrs ago where discussed how in modern cn archaeologists are kept ~out~ of anywhere with potentially buried readable goodies, on acct of modern pekin specifically trying for sov-style 'coherent history' crapola

mircea_popescu: in any case, the notice's inescapable, that "china -- real history because real nation, just like us ; actresses, not." a lot hangs on that "just like us".

asciilifeform: it can't be handwaved. but funnily enuff, i credit the surviving frags largely on acct of their ~incoherence~ . a good fudge job produces ~coherent~ crapola.

mircea_popescu: and yes, of course it goes straight to the core of what nationalism ~is~, very much not "a concept we no longer need" as various low level slash "moderate" socialists propose.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if you don't credit these actresses a real history, why do you credit china a real history ?

mircea_popescu: produce me a list of all the actresses of whom it was said "eternal performance" in any theatrical season of your choice, before ww2 started, sau.

mircea_popescu: MULTIPLE TIMES A FUCKING SEASON. each fucking season. like in 1919. can you even say who was the top actress of the stage, 1919 ?

mircea_popescu: i suspect it's a lot like drafted actor going, "what, i died three thousand dozen times on broadway stages before tonight". "yes, but you weren't serious about it."

mircea_popescu: who was the me in all the groups of girlies before i showed up ? "a calling metaphysical", who cares.

mircea_popescu: somehow the stories fat frumos don't seem to include marriage by fruit of his labours "on the field". because you can't spank your own monkey into a wife anymore than you can douchebag your way into #trilema or pull yourself to moon by britches.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be moar red army ( stalin issues you a mount ) than euro-knight ( dun even qualify unless you bring yer own ) neh

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're thinking of the wrong end again, lol. lord possibly wants a dozen or a grosse concubines, and one or a dozen knaves. so he marries some of the girls off. "but what are all the OTHER boys to do ???" "keks."

mircea_popescu: and this is how it worked, historically, too. contrary to loud pretense claiming otherwise, marriage created a pleb's reinterpretation of ye olde vasselage between an old man and a young'un.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the ~only~ possible meaning of marriage is as a https://teresafritschi.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/vassal-paying-homage-1.jpg ceremony.

mircea_popescu: "but i found her before he did, and i told her she's not a whore before she was". "yes, imperfect communication systems in olde sovoke"

mircea_popescu: not even. rather, that they invented the pill doesn't mean much changes, because the ~pretense~ was that "they're fucking your wife because they don't feel like raising her children". the TRUTH was that "the only possible way human affairs are settled is -- boss has a harem, you wish to work for boss so therefore marry one of his whores".

mircea_popescu: which is a process that speaks ~as to your status~, not as to her.

mircea_popescu: in more settled times, the chief of the office has a harem already, and to work in there you aspire to... ~marry one~.

mircea_popescu: that they were married already, to some loser, was the best possible quality a horny 20something could bring to the table.

asciilifeform: i'd like to know where. cuz errywhere i've been, when you want e.g. iron staircase built, what comes is a gang of 20 d00dz with welding torches, and not robot.

mircea_popescu: consider a simple case : sovok consisted of men in positions of feudal power (such as boss of factory, chief of an office, whatever) fucking the prettier "married" women in their charge.

mircea_popescu: you take a view of man as spherical-chicken-in-vacuum, which is at best naive.

mircea_popescu: let's call it "nature took a kind turn"

mircea_popescu: nah. there was a brief window during which amateur efforts actually paid enough to make them competitive.

mircea_popescu: failure or success in outreach, such as pizarro, is a larger factor than anything to do with the world, in that sense.

asciilifeform: !A .3 $x .2 $y xyR* #

asciilifeform: !A .3 $x .2 $y xy* _#

asciilifeform: !A .3 $x .2 $y xy* #

a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 04:50 mats: also, 'The Supreme Court’s decision in Herring v. [U.S.] authorizes police to defeat the Fourth Amendment’s protections through a process we call evidence laundering [...] when one police officer makes a constitutional mistake when gathering evidence and then passes that evidence along to a second officer, who develops it further and then delivers it to prosecutor' https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2558737

asciilifeform: out what is the cipher, and then break it. It takes time, even if it is a variant of ROT-13. What would happen is leveling of the playing field, engaging brains against brains, on the scale that cryptanalysis cannot keep up with.'

mats: also, 'The Supreme Court’s decision in Herring v. [U.S.] authorizes police to defeat the Fourth Amendment’s protections through a process we call evidence laundering [...] when one police officer makes a constitutional mistake when gathering evidence and then passes that evidence along to a second officer, who develops it further and then delivers it to prosecutor' https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2558737 ☟︎

mats: in stale news, 'More than 1 million student loan borrowers each year go into default. Outstanding education debt in the U.S. has tripled over the last decade and now exceeds $1.5 trillion, posing a greater burden to Americans than auto or credit card debt ... By 2023, nearly 40 percent of borrowers are expected to default' https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/13/twenty-two-percent-of-student-loan-borrowers-fall-into-default.html

BingoBoingo: And a proportional number of bicicletists trying to promote wheeled domination of the rambla will face "kinetics disposes"

BingoBoingo: bandwidth is a thing

BingoBoingo: Back in 2015 all the way to 2017 pantsuit had opportunities to pacify me when I sobered up. They could have probably offered me a smidge more to keep tossing bags of mulch and instead declared themselves broke. I would have also remained ignorant to the better, latin life.

mats: i wonder if lobbes has a portal where i can feed, say, 2k urls for archival? ☟︎

mats: thats something pocket does ( stripped down http://www.thetower.org/article/how-iraq-became-a-wholly-owned-subsidiary-of-the-islamic-republic-of-iran/ ) , but they implemented oauth at some point and i'm not sure how to consume the output, or if i really wanna do that sans jpgs/pngs etc

mats: i recently bought a kobo aura h2o (1st ed) eink reader, which is 6.8in, water resistant, reads pdfs and most formats unlike the kindle (which i think requires mobi), and most importantly takes a microsd card. filled it with the books, papers, logs i've carefully saved over last 10y, still have tons of space left on a 64gb card

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and pinyin is possibly built as a joke on the 'white devil', the encoding has ~0 relation much of the time to the actual sound << FWIW Spanish doesn't work in Chile

asciilifeform: i did similar thing for engl as a boy, it was terrible prep, had to unlearn later

asciilifeform: and pinyin is possibly built as a joke on the 'white devil', the encoding has ~0 relation much of the time to the actual sound

BingoBoingo: Always hire a live coach. even in Spanish, "todo bien" takes months of live practice to master the intonation.

mats: i can't for the life of me nail down tones, might have to hire a coach to help me with pinyin

asciilifeform: ( he had a piece re stripping their electron shell so they react )

asciilifeform: was a+++ chix.

BingoBoingo: OH, there's the food! During her "weekend" which as a nurse is the mundane middle of the week I send her with a saddam worth array of chemical weapons and half the pesos I would carry on the same adventure during the actual weekend. Then I eat well.

asciilifeform: ( ate a 'jonathan' in timis, see, 1nce )

BingoBoingo may have become a petty tyrant

BingoBoingo: At a cost of time, either hers or mine depending on the day of the week

BingoBoingo: With powdered determent sold by the kilogram and Latina sleeping here 3 nights a week (not taking her out of secular employment) I have a recipe for next day clean laundry.

BingoBoingo: Today I acquired a cultural artifact known locally as a tenedor de ropa.

BingoBoingo: Girls sleeping in shifts is mostly a food cost

BingoBoingo: BingoBoingistan has a lack of floorspace, but any floorspace here guarentees ferrocement

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: even supposing i had a teleporter -- dun seem like BingoBoingostan is in fact the mythical mecca of cheap floor space envisioned to exist somewhere

BingoBoingo: Less than a kilometer from El Puertito de Buceo to the datacenter. There are other "clubs" on the city shores.

BingoBoingo: Yacht club is a thing.

BingoBoingo: A few old "retire for less" folks may be in Piriapolis and Atlantida on undefendable homesteads. All the other UStards rent fast with the exception of single digit count of 20-40 year old losers selling pot under market and "teaching" english to get by

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a great idea, actually.

BingoBoingo: Here the girls have to go to a parada de omníbus and wait for someone who isn't too retarded to know why they aren't taking a bus.

asciilifeform: i suppose will also work a++ for asciilifeform's peine forte et dure!11 ☟︎

asciilifeform: dial-a-keV.

BingoBoingo has a couple of very beefy dragonflies on the balcony tonight

asciilifeform: 'i didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks!'(tm)(r)