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mats: rather than, you know, usg or israelis dropping bombs on ukr, syria,iraq
mats: i mean the expansion of their commercial influence as a general example of an empire of soft power
mircea_popescu: "omg my future! it is ruined!" "wtf do you think futures are, like orgasms ?" "yeah... as a matter of fact... i do!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, the us went through this thing, middle class kids worried about "their future". is that what you mean by soft power ?
mats: the tom cruise flick and the graduate (1967)?
mircea_popescu: if their naked slut on heels scene sucks, they suck ; if not, we can talk. that's kinda the table ante for civilisation.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-07 14:50 mircea_popescu: say phf ! since you're in moscow, what's the bdsm scene like ? do they have a club ? mind doing a field report ?
mircea_popescu: i'd have wished you a heartfeltly traditional http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711142 ; but as it is what're we talking about ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: are you there ?
mats: not seen either of these
mircea_popescu: mats depends what you mean by "Soft power". if by soft power you mean something as seen in the graduate, or for that matter in that lulzy thing with a 19yo tom cruise pimping out de mornay & friends, ie what teh parents are doing, i'll tell you tis outright despicable.
mircea_popescu: and i've no problem whatsoever with china in the political sense. nor much clue as to actual life there, who knows, maybe they're great.
BingoBoingo: Gotta watch, wait, and be ready to say "NO CHINA, THAT'S A BAD CHINA" if they go too far into acting like Yankee cancer
BingoBoingo: One day the urban comic relief is hooking you up with laffs and dime bags. The next he's smashing your windows.
BingoBoingo: Depends where they go with it
mats: so you think soft power is coercive
BingoBoingo: Well, it's shitting out "Confucious Institutes" Small leap from that to Hillel, anti-defamation league, and Kars4Kids scam
mats: i'm observing their development of commerce and nuanced relationships in, say, the indian ocean, through building of ports along the littoral, but they've pointedly ignored human rights issues the west cares about in e.g. sri lanka
BingoBoingo: mats: .cn is starting to...
mats: i have my own reservations about .cn, but it notably does not interfere with another state's internal politics and does not dispense hypocritical lectures about human rights the way the west does
mats: mircea_popescu: is there a single nation extant that you find civilized?
BingoBoingo: Hi-lite for the lawgs: "One unarmed casino guard was shot, no patrons were injured, and no suspects have been arrested."
BingoBoingo would prefer a pun involving salem witch trials and sodomy
BingoBoingo: Phonetically that's nice, but kinda expect that to go with vegas.
mircea_popescu: and btw : i'd like to watch a porno called "dilda das vegas".
mircea_popescu: this is the forum of the most serene republic.
mietek: what is this place?
mietek: the pages linked in the topic do not seem self-explanatory.
mircea_popescu: for the record, it's not even clear that's false.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 15:09 asciilifeform: in other noose, the 'china must be colonized for 300 years to become civilized' solzhederp finally croaked
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683486 << found xiaobo thread ☝︎
mircea_popescu: imagine, $icon fo all people being spared the specialness of your snowflakeitude for a whole fucking hour! THE HORROR!\
mircea_popescu: exactly. "what would you do if you were in a train compartment with einstein ?" "i'd stfu"
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was sometimes genuinely vexed, when collegues & various folx would ask him, 'what would you ask erdos', etc. and they never liked my answer, which is that i have nothing worth asking erdos or gauss or etc
mircea_popescu: exactklyt that.
asciilifeform: 'but dr knuth, how often you take a shit??'
mircea_popescu: "randomtard could ask meaningful question to $interesting person, who could in turn give out an answer that's both a)something he'd sing and b) something redditard could decode".
asciilifeform had quit reddit cold turkey long before those were invented
mircea_popescu: "i am so and so, ask me anything". final development on the whole "we are all one" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the funniest bit is that it dun even need a saboteur << not one with an ama, at any rate.
asciilifeform: the rest of the spear vanished quietly under the rock from whence it crawled, as always does.
asciilifeform: and notably they didn't have to 200k
mats: LKY attributes this quote to Deng Xiaoping: "If I have to shoot 200,000 students to save China from another 100 years of disorder, so be it."
asciilifeform: it is very telling imho that they could not find any d00d of any substantial intellectual caliber, to play this role ( while in su they easily got a saharov & others )
mats: also responsible for inciting hundreds of students into action on behalf of usg agitprop that could only be met with tank treads and executions
asciilifeform: there is no requirement that an idjit quisling speak english
asciilifeform: grrr it WAS in the log somewhere
a111: 1 result for "colonized three hundred", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=colonized%20three%20hundred
asciilifeform: !#s colonized three hundred
mats: quisling scum that once said china should be colonized by the west for three hundred years
asciilifeform: ( tldr for n00bz : xiaobo was the attempt to 'solzhenitsyn' the chinese; it failed, because chinese , turned out, were not sufficiently gullible )
asciilifeform: hmm why isn't xiaobo in the l0gz
mats: i swear they gave the thing to obama just to piss him off, given its history
asciilifeform: ( some time in '15 )
asciilifeform: iirc thing was later scrapped
mats: ... ordered to pay $400 million in restitution. << hahaha
asciilifeform: ( did anybody, for example, test what happens if rails are wet ? encrusted with foreign matter, e.g. soot from fire? 9,000 variants )
asciilifeform: the designer is the best saboteur.
asciilifeform: just like the littoral lulzship didn't
asciilifeform: the funniest bit is that it dun even need a saboteur
mats: fame and fortune like those anna chapman received, awaits the would-be saboteur
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 23:45 asciilifeform: on 2nd thought 'nsa stores packets on dna' is just the right kind of starwars idiocy that oughta be encouraged.
asciilifeform: but imho usn electric guns oughta be encouraged and cheered, per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714978 . especially if they cost $B each and run win95 ☝︎
asciilifeform: or perhaps some thermite powder, so the shell welds to the rail instead of sliding...
asciilifeform: say, if the same hero who burned down a whole nyooksub in port , were to 'forget' a wrench in the rail.
asciilifeform: mats: ever wonder what'd a dead short do in one of these ?
mats: https://youtu.be/QO_zXuOQy6A?t=51s USN test fires two railgun rounds within seconds of each other
shinohai: Some people lack patience for the real reference wallet I suppose.
mats: my favorite thing about mr. funk was his saying a couple javascript thingies were his reference wallet
walter_: got it. Thanks
asciilifeform: walter_: what led you to think that such was to be found here ?
mircea_popescu: well because 3rd gen is so overwhelmingly easy to fuck up.
asciilifeform: 3rd gen already tends to bostonize
asciilifeform: 2nd-gen-in-shoes seems to be peak, culturally
mircea_popescu: or as ballas put it, "jobs other than science and medicine seem unreal to you"
mircea_popescu: but yes, the situation is not symmetrical -- western orcs produced mcmansion where eastern orcs produced very respectable math and literature, which is truly 2nd generation in shoes fare
mircea_popescu: separation seems to work splendidly on own power, just as soon as alternative is perceived.
asciilifeform: and this is not usually +ev
asciilifeform: chukcha can also learn. problem is that somebody gotta separate him from the hole in the ground
mircea_popescu: but, as teh old article says, "but then again nothing in the world harder & more obdurate than the limits a brain sets for itself"
mircea_popescu: moreover, the issue is purely cultural, which is why the 1st gen in shoes keeps cropping up. trinque manifestly COULD meaningfully learn human lang once separated from his culture, as the logs bear testimony, and this is 1/1 ie 100%.
asciilifeform uses moar sov maths , in daily life, than roman
mircea_popescu: note that for all their "handed everyone their ass, flew to space" accomplishments, neither tribe is remembered today for anything.
mircea_popescu: this could have similarly been said of any of the other examples of history (the selgiuk turks, and the manchuko, readily come to mind)
asciilifeform: imho principal problem of usa is whatever environmental pollutant or genetic wtf that keeps'em from learning human languages
mircea_popescu: and the recourse to inflation is rather plainly obvious, "we call it Joe's Principle because nobody could have possibly read Kant".
mircea_popescu: a whole cacophopnic symphony of little john smiths. what am i to do with this large collection of hardy country folk running around with their ummims and thurims ? EVEN IF THEY DO FLY TO SPACE!
mircea_popescu: they can't say anything that's worth remembering for the obvious reason that they can't read anything that's already there.
mircea_popescu: and that's a minor example. consider rothbard's utter failure to mean or matter, as sadly chronicled on trilema. yes, he's intellectually negligible, but the chief problem that renders him moot is the extreme poverty and ineptitude of his references! which is not his problem, but the 1st gen in shoes folks' problem, and the deep reason us can't and hasn't spoken in the forum of human thought.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-17 15:02 asciilifeform: ( and then yes rotted and vanished like every previous fat an' comfortable set )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715336 << this is very much not so, in that presence of euro buildings is still the standard by which you distinguish urban from rural agglomeration ; whereas "going to space" has managed to become the standard of nothing whatsoever. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (the measure for "industrial civ" here used is, the type of answer to the problem of "i need three times the force". if it's "hire three times the coolies/horses/etc then pre-ind civ ; if it's "build bigger machine" it's industrial civ ; if the question not even conceptualized as such then it's not a civ, like say africa/polynesia/other subhumans)
mircea_popescu: heck, the swedes are so advanced in germansystem they don't even need money anymore!
asciilifeform: it still remains to be seen whether industrial civs can in principle outlast su
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing the euroidiots aren't ; but this simple fact dun make non-euros anything else.
mircea_popescu: much like the russkis, what these other marginal orcs have to show for "their great empire" is a barely functional bezzle scheme. i don't even mean the financial part, intellectually speaking the whole us can be comfortably sat down in two lines' worth of "don't say nigger and state-god will provide", which is what, somehow different from "quote marx and wait for moscow" ?
mircea_popescu: broken lightbulb temporarily sits on shelf next to working lightbulb, "oh, did you miss the time i burned so very bright it was like 1`000 lightbulbs ?!?!?" suppose i did miss it. what came of it ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-17 15:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715307 << didja sleep though the century when '1st gen in shoes' folx handed 'cultured' europe its arse on a platter, and then flew into space etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715334 << no ; and good for them. but the problem is... and then what of it ? MAGA ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but no, i don't think the item as described is useless. if you need a new key in less than a week / if your message lag is mostly this you've other problems to attend to.