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mircea_popescu: "In case you did, i hope
this will be a lesson
to you. Stop
trading obscure
tokens/coins!" << if
THIS is "the lesson",
then one wonders wtf is supposed
to be
the "ethereum value proposition" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fact, whole reason i'm even willing
to do w/o email is
that
there exists
this alternative
thaty's so much better.
mircea_popescu: and especially as reinforced via wot/trilema voiuce model, i expect
this may endure.
mircea_popescu: yet whole point of "asym key encryption" is -- encrypted comms without prior key exchange.
this specifically says "between anon parties"
mircea_popescu: asym key is specifically for
this usecase. you--well known publisher ; me -- secret identity with
the goods. i can safely send
them
to you.
diana_coman: I get
that, yes; it's anyway more
than
there currently is available otherwise; and not insignificantly more at
that
diana_coman: obv atm nobody can actually give any sort of guarantee anyway so it's more of a model /ideal
thing
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aka has access
to some know
to adjust cost vs protection essentially
diana_coman: asciilifeform, eulora needs a client-server communication protocol
that at least allows client
to decide for self
the compromise between cost and some degree of confidentiality+integrity for
the info it exchanges
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I
thought you were aiming for "what-we-want" rather
than merely "usable-for-lack-of-what-we-actually-want"
BingoBoingo: Well, keep it somewhere visible and eventually something will strike
the fancy.
BingoBoingo: Not like it hasn't already been shaped by
tree's executioner
BingoBoingo does not know what other purpose free exotic wood from
tree execution could serve other
than production of curio or knickknack
to celebrate
the fortunate happenstance
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:43 asciilifeform: (
the 16s incidentally is , e.g., 10s, on intel box )
mircea_popescu: and in other random dribbles : i was going by
teh sabana park (huge park here), noticed
they had cut down some rainbow eucaliptus
trees. so i had car stopped and... got a chunk for
the
trunk.
BingoBoingo: Allowing a
tort against
the car with such a massive and sclerotic mitigating circumstance is insanity.
BingoBoingo: If morbidly obese and has coronary while excited, cause of excitement is not material. Could have just as well been seeing a pallet of "Count Chocula" "breakfast cereal" causing
terminal excitement.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which is why we may end up with 25 racks per lord and half
the lords running ISPs
BingoBoingo: Checks one box, opaque
to pantsuit. Fails on its soviet style USSA idiocy.
phf`: right, so
this kind of logistics need
to be figured out. which also explains why you started
talking about hosting 3 years ago..
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well,
that one was Vietcong
phf`: mircea_popescu: if you're implying
that my plan for colo was
to ~hire~ people ~from~ colocation facility
to do a sensitive operation like hard drive replacement,
then i can't even! :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol because i
totally need 1gbps
to
talk
to
the rest of
the pinoys or w/e"
mircea_popescu: phf`
that wouldn't be a problem in principle. just has
to be done.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> poorly porous
to us, but
theoretically even moar so
to pantsuit << Appeal of jungle is non-interference in white man's affairs. Downside is shifting past marketing speak
to discover "1GBP/s unmetered (30Mb/s international)"
☟︎ phf`: i suspect
that with proper infra we can overnight whatever we want. but a proper infra in
this case might just be a corporation in russia, a corporation in u.s., a business account with fedhl, etc.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect overnighting is
the point. what's
the point is
that
there's little difference between a colo you email
to and run of
the mill "dedicated servers" hosting.
mircea_popescu: phf` well, strawman came from
trying
to discuss a rather unconstrained by actual data universe of possibilities.
mircea_popescu: so in
this sense : an unmanned operation behind a maybe-porous wall is not in any sense useful.
☟︎ phf`: i've no idea where
that straw man came from. shipping
things from u.s.
to russia is
tricky, but everything else is inherent in
the problem. a ~colo~ in russia only makes sense if i also can somehow facilitate
trusted upkeep. whether or not we can overnight a hard drive isn't going
to make a difference in
that case
mircea_popescu: if i wanted
that i could have it for
the same coupla hundy or w/e. heck, apparently
they'd even do it for free if we don't make fun of
them for it.
mircea_popescu: on
the other hand,
this "your raid needs new hdds hurr"
thing is not flying. i don't need
to "hire" a "colo" for
them
to re-do
the whole cherryservers bs for me, now do i.
mircea_popescu: but yes, sure, my ideal world would be for you
to live
there and assemble
them yourself, and go
to colo and install self, and document whole
thing on your blog.
phf`: mircea_popescu:
that was never under consideration.
mircea_popescu: i dunno
that it's wash dc specifically, or alf specifically.
mircea_popescu: unless we have a ~trusted~ engineer on
the actual ground
there, we will be shipping from wherever it is convenient
to ship. but items originate with us, not with randos.
phf`: it seems
that whatever space
that's going
to satisfy our needs is also going
to make it non-trivial
to exchange items with ~washington dc~
phf`: so we're explicitly shipping boxes from asciilifeform's home lab
to a colo?
mircea_popescu: phf` except we ship boxes, as i understood
the design, not for
them
to stick hands in our parts.
phf`: mircea_popescu:
that's understandable. but also we're and what we're shipping. e.g. hard drives can be purchased and replaced on
the ground. it's a colo, ~someone~ will have
to do a replacement and it's necessarily not going
to be
the facility
mircea_popescu: but
there is a huge difference between intelligent sovereignity and soviet idiocy.
mircea_popescu: i don't even care, sure, if
they have
their own state courier
they're
trying
to prop up in
this way, more power
to
them, we'll use it.
mircea_popescu: phf` i am speculating. but
there must be a way
to get machiens
there for it
to work.
phf`: well, we're speculating right now, i just know
that it's something
to
think about.
this dhl/fedex restriction is for individuals. perhaps business shipments fall under different rules.
mircea_popescu: it's a ddos vector dood. i'm not paying
to get a rack so
that enemy has a method
to burn my engineer work hours. wtf.
mircea_popescu: no computer is, ever was, or ever could be worth
this much love.
mircea_popescu: what, and fly every
time a computer needs a new buttplug ?
mircea_popescu: and
their historical hallucinations of sovereignity etc do promise a lot of idiocy in
that vein.
mircea_popescu: if it's "two weeks
to find out if you have
to wait
two weeks more or not" is how everything is done, utterly not worth bothering with.
mircea_popescu: which brings
to
the fore
the q "do we even wanna deal with russia".
phf`: asciilifeform: i can't find any news updates, last i heard from people is
that fedhl packages go, but spend weeks
to months in customs, for "inspection"
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine
the country actually works without some kind of such service
though. i mean really, how do yo uget a wrench, walk
to factory ?
phf`: i suspect
there's postal offices, "yandex package" and also some kind of baygun delivery service
that can overnight from a chinese factory
phf`: i'll have
to look into it, if
they were sitting on my porch, i'd send
them by freight. i
think dhl/fedex have suspended services
to russia,
to individuals
though, i'm not sure what's
the deal with corporate.
phf`: are
the servers sitting at vendors ready
to ship
to a destination, also is it going
to go proper shipping container or
through a consumer service? latter doesn't work reliably in russia and is generally discouraged
mircea_popescu: or rather,
that's why normal people don't pick a hill in
the midle of
the jungle
to plop down servers on.
phf`: well, in
this case
this is equivalent of sitting on
the outside pipeline. everything else is a hop away,
though
the guys i was
talking
to sit on various short fibers from
the facility
mircea_popescu: i definitely want
the dc
to provide
the uplink with w/e guarantee
they can manage. i get it, outside of nato 99.999% isn't so common, but whatever
they got.