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asciilifeform: the hell they rot in is a strictly voluntary place
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 01:24:01; mircea_popescu: "you wanted to benefit from responsible disclosure protections, you should have been in the wot" "but at the time i made that decision it seemed a no brainer, why expend the effort" "right. this is why you die."
decimation: but getting it to cough up full stacktraces is a pain in the ass
asciilifeform: if the effect were not so brute, it would've made a good star in an 'underhanded c contest' entry.
asciilifeform: mats: fact of the matter is, the machine behaves in a way which will probably surprise most readers.
mats: "it is not a case of the compiler doing something crazy because of undefined behavior."
mats: asciilifeform: after some consultation with my betters, one had this to say: "I'm not sure you can blame that on undefined behavior, except insofar as a SIGFPE is just as valid as nasal demons and such at that point."
decimation: nevertheless, isis is certainly where you would find someone who knows how to survive a shitstorm
asciilifeform: i don't give a flying fuck personally, but the terminology might sow some confusion among readership
asciilifeform: 'The average C/C++ programmer's intuition says that uninitialized variables are fine as long as you don't depend on their values. A more experienced programmer probably suspects that uninitialized variables are fine as long as you don't access them. ... Well, it turns out that even if the caller does nothing at all with the return value – ever... ... the program might bomb.'
decimation: "if you don't have a debt jubileee it's like you are shoveling jews into the furnace"
decimation: lol that Piketty guy is now a paid shill for greece: https://medium.com/@gavinschalliol/thomas-piketty-germany-has-never-repaid-7b5e7add6fff
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188450 << all urls are shortened to the same length which is 22 characters, leaving 118 left for the title plus a space to separate it from the url. very few titles are longer than this ☝︎
asciilifeform: mats: that's almost exactly a description of 'phuctor', l0l
mats: most complicated machinery is flask and a postgres wrapper
asciilifeform: kakobrekla, anybody else: can we get a mirror of that half-megatonne of shit ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: better to have nothing than a shit-wine hybrid barrel.
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 01:21:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188232 << is this a problem after syncing ?
asciilifeform: note that 363954 is 1) past the nominal ph0rkpoint 2) on a public node
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 02:22:58; mats: half a tb of emails and code there.
ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188871 << please excuse my obtuseness, but what is "THAT"? ability to resolve "THE PROBLEM" of a thoughtchain fork? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 00:47:24; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. << the resolution per se is probably as you point out not even approachable as a problem, which is unsurprising seeing how it logically predates the notion of problem. nevertheless, the resolution of THE PROBLEM of thoughtchain forks is actually a very well understood thing.
mod6: ( & perhaps a different tool )
assbot: [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDAl7I )
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/ << 1 btc. << fwiw I did try creating the callgraphs in doxygen with SVG format; the graphs looked ok, but the links were all broken etc. maybe someone else has a better way to solve this.
mats: half a tb of emails and code there. ☟︎
assbot: [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIhNVn )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188295 <<< he has a point. how else to think ? ☝︎
assbot: MPIF (F.MPIF) June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIg7LE )
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:58:04; mats: iirc usg has provided four frigates for naval defense, a pathetic number in any case that could not stop any mildly determined attempt to storm the island
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:33:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 << what i was saying there bears repeating. if we had a fleet of pogos deployed, they would ~all~ be paperweights now. and for so long as we use the cpp turd, there can be no guarantee of this kind of thing not happening in the future.
mircea_popescu: got practically some indonesians or somesuch. not even counting the significant costs to the helpers - the british empire ended up dismantled as a result, in a manner very much reminiscent of the "fetlife dmca's mp, and as a result some random dc in the us pays for mp's yacht".
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188255 << i dunno that it's known as anything from there, but i'll point out to you that a) the only time this was ever successful was when the jews did it to hitler in the 30s. the cost was, a practical end to that ethnic group, because the jews calling themselves jewish today are not the central european hasids who were to jewry in 1920 what china is to asia today. they ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "you wanted to benefit from responsible disclosure protections, you should have been in the wot" "but at the time i made that decision it seemed a no brainer, why expend the effort" "right. this is why you die." ☟︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 14:50:21; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu node on dulap is still wedged. and apparently this is not a terribly good place for a node, phuctor gets i/o-starved and dies
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188232 << is this a problem after syncing ? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: by now it's getting to be a safe assumption ;/
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 13:08:28; mats: pgpdump really needs a rewrite...
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 11:18:09; punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes
mircea_popescu: just the fact that they enjoy a defacto monopoly on criticism makes YOU backward.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. << the resolution per se is probably as you point out not even approachable as a problem, which is unsurprising seeing how it logically predates the notion of problem. nevertheless, the resolution of THE PROBLEM of thoughtchain forks is actually a very well understood thing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "that thing which the usg deems an occupation in the manner krill occupies a whale"
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. it is an interesting point about the muslims, having to square the circle of islamic teaching forced them off the 'trunk' onto a backwards branchline
asciilifeform: it is not even clear that this is something you would actually ~want~ a 'solution' to
asciilifeform: resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem.
asciilifeform: doing anything more recent - even, e.g., a 16th century italian cipher like gerolamo cardano's grille - would be quite inconsistent with the whole framework
asciilifeform: makes global thermonukefest look like a cheap carnival ride
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 22:38:21; mircea_popescu: this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago.
BingoBoingo: This is a crisis of existential proportions! I don't know who the Buttcoin public thinks I am.
cazalla: it was just a oneliner that you are probably mp
mircea_popescu: cazalla here's a funny : one view shows the article at 5 votes and 8 comments. the other, 6 votes, 6 comments
williamdunne: cazalla: Comment deleted, just as I was about to make a witicism
mircea_popescu: (the three, for the studious : 1929 ; 1945 ; 1989. the ww1 was not on the list, but instead a great time for romania. unexpectedly enough. young cvountry)
mircea_popescu: the general fate of "o noes, we will be poor" decay-of-civilisation ~small thinkers~ envisage is nothing compared. romania went through three of these in a century, was fine, will be fine. so will the us, if that's all it is.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... this isn't, actualy, a big problem. hasn't been, for five millenia.
mircea_popescu: obviously if you restart the process of 5k years ago with the means of 5k years ago you will get the comensurate results. this is a fact, because the processors still work, and in the same way.
mircea_popescu: this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: one of the rural inhabitants of a post-war italy that looks like 1300 ad is a shepherd. and he tells, the story of sherperding, specifically, that he talks to the stars
mircea_popescu: the plot is that a guy goes through villages with a broken camera, tricking people into paying him to make them cinema stars.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the strategic problems are often disguised as mundane things. i know at least a coupla of times my clock fucking stopped right here, over apparently nothings. and what the inept represent as "big problems" is almost never a usable or even vaguely correct representation. all about 'em, their emotional conflux, stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: that's a guy "thinking about big problems". he is no different from a dog thinking about bacon.
assbot: Agency and other notes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H25Ym5 )
mircea_popescu: if that 1% doesn't feel the state like a glove, the state's gone. kinda like my ancient "the state may exist inasmuch as and for as long as i can't tell it's there." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is a mortal sin nobody and nothing ever recovers from.
decimation: on the freakonomics podcast, they had a guy on (retired army colonel) complaining that usg has nobody who thinks about anything strategic now
mircea_popescu: you don't take over the enemy's things. you just make them be a burden to him now.
decimation: they just open a huawei factory in texas, texas pays them to do so http://www.costar.com/News/Article/Huawei-Moves-to-Legacy-Place-II-Promises-600-Jobs/116355
mircea_popescu: with a yo ho ho
williamdunne: decimation: I was lead to believe there was a growing "Irish" traveller population in the US
mircea_popescu: gypsies are a migratory sort, they're not anymore romanian than austrian, french or british
williamdunne: punkman: A shorter name available?
decimation: actually an enterprising young man from the uk ought to move to romania and start a factory
mircea_popescu: such a good deal this was, srsly.
williamdunne: punkman: plenty of people, or plenty of people worth a shit?
decimation: People I know who are from greece tell me that anyone who is worth a shit left long ago
pete_dushenski: in the hands of a ninja ?
pete_dushenski: few restauranteurs and fewer landlords ever wanted a call from me, but too bad, i'm calling
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I'm not handing out sympathy here. But yes, I agree. Ah well, they're providing a lesson that is cheap for the rest of the world re; ownership
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188518 < ascii I was just thinking that a 'fork watcher' is desperately needed ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes two things about chinese material research : a) american folk go "chinese have it so much better because their financing is secure" and b) they're spending about 10x more than the us
mircea_popescu: but that's a diff story as you say
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Commercially I think there will be fairly rapidly increasing Chinese investment in parts of Africa. Although that is a different matter.
trinque: ben_vulpes: now there's a theory that works a bit better imo
ben_vulpes: a*
ben_vulpes: i can see them either filling a power vacuum or backing an secession.
BingoBoingo: I could see a mixture of A and B with the Chicoms tolerating B in the areas uneconomical to occupy.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation << they seem to be dealing with a northern occupation just fine.
mircea_popescu: trinque dude, the gritted dissent of the peasantry was never a notable historical fact
mircea_popescu: 80k is not a lot of mobsters.
mircea_popescu: war means, i fear i have to remind, spending the next 5 years without a woman eating your belt and shitting in a hole you dug yourself. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: so there's 80k, that's a lotta guerillas
mircea_popescu: there are not 100k people able to fight a war in the us currently.
trinque: I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: two outcomes from u.s. citizen perspective : a) "all hail the chinese, our lords and saviours" leading into much cock sucking, or b) "git off our turf yellow niggers !" leading into much guerilla warfare a la afghanistan
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla oh and e) have it deedbot a statement gpg'd to the owner's key each month, listing their assets.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about you do this specifically : a) make assbot make an hourly report with prices and volumes for each traded commodity ; b) make assbot spot a line trade for each time trade in a commodity goes > 100 btc ; c) make assbot keep a wallet for every person in l2 ; d) allow me to order buys and sells on bit4x via assbot, just gives me a hash to unpack like rating works now. ☟︎
trinque: got the fucker in a state where it'll be less of a pain in the arse to work on in the future
trinque: mircea_popescu: btw deedbot.org is on a box that'll happily serve up the goods if referenced by another cname
mircea_popescu: curious if this sends the chinese on a "democratizing" kick to texas.
pete_dushenski: not a fucking chance.