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mircea_popescu: that's unrelated
to
this conversation. N is not a hash, it's
the modulus.
mircea_popescu: well, and having "asciilifeform" or "17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7" is having no portion of
the pubkey.
mircea_popescu: in any case.
there's no requirement
that you be able
to use
the word "car"
to go shopping in it ; and similarily
there's no requirement
that you be able
to use a key's fingerprint
to sign, or check signatures with it.
the intention of
the fingerprint is
to permit you
to reference a specific key unambiguously
to a
third party, such as when asking for it.
mircea_popescu: but
this dun include es, pictures, nicks, other comments. it includes N.
mircea_popescu: as i said, making
the modulus be
the name has its advantages.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 14:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally,
the more i
think about it
the more i'm convinced
the ONLY "fingerprint" for rsa key may be...
the modulus. 4096 bits and fuck you, if you can't
take 32 chars you don't belong here.
mircea_popescu: well, at first it was about lobbes warning people not
to rely on
the "control dials" as provided by koch-gpg, for being unreliable ;
then you wanted
to
talk about fps and
then at some point and without warning anyone apparently pivoted
to
talking about pubkeys and signatures.
mircea_popescu: how do you even put up with "asciilifeform" in
the first place ? shouldn't it be stanisalvborninodessaandflownbyparentsacrossseaatcostofsellingitemsfromhouseandalsodoesntlikewashingtondcandhasagirlandahouseblablabla ?
mircea_popescu: i had nfi you object
to names as a matter of principle.
trinque: all deedbot is offering up is an identifier within its own namespace for
the - yes - full key
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure i want gossipd lines
to be longer
than irc.
mircea_popescu: the fact
that we're still using a what was it, 400 char line protocol has some bearing on what we call
things.
mircea_popescu was rather
toying with
the idea of standarizing ben_vulpes 's identifier
thing across
teh republic.
trinque: I'll go change
to
to encode
the FP as repititions of
the string "cocks"
to signify
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're evidently buying, seeing how, let's do it
the
third
time...
mircea_popescu: but somehow commerce hasn't come at astandstill by
the fact
that you can call a folded sheet of paper as well as a 100`000
ton
transport item "boat"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-21 14:33 mircea_popescu can buy used cars. CARS. because i bought and own hundreds. i can't buy fucking used boats, and i doubt you can (or would, or do for
that matter) buy used cars.
mircea_popescu: if
the above read, like ben_vulpes 's paste, five letters in base64, we'd be none
the poorer.
mircea_popescu: this isn't something
to be bruteforced
through protocol. people can keep cabbage in pots labeled sugar all
they want.
hanbot: mircea_popescu> i am (i guess?) proud
to say
that ro pron party included womenz
to my knowledge. wtf is
the point without,
they jack off on
the zacusci ? << issat a
typo or is a jacuzzi fulla zacusca a
thing?!
mircea_popescu: so
trinque gets a notification
that hey, you got
the wrong ITEM stored under reference X.
mircea_popescu: that
this reference is not functional, which is
to say does not substitute for
the
thing it references, is a
trivially
true and entirely spurious observation.
mircea_popescu: there can be no doubt as
to which key is being referenced if
the reference consists of modulus.
mircea_popescu: much like whether fps are or are not useful wasn't discussed by anyone but yourself.
the original problem was
that gpg unreliably reported "key doesn't expire"
to lobbes , when in fact it did expire.
mircea_popescu: whether e is or is not part of pubkey was not at any point discussed by anyone other
than yourself ;
mircea_popescu: NO,
this doesn't explode
to where everey possible PROPERTY of
the item is now also going
to be detailed in
the name.
mircea_popescu: yes, koch fps are ineptly chosen names. yes
there's value in having a biunivocal name-item relation by default.
mircea_popescu: make an effort and distinguish betwen
the
thing and
the
thing's name.
mircea_popescu: but a
third party asked for N knows WHAT key is being discussed. which is
the point of labeling keys.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless,
there's no doubt as
to which key is in discussion.
mircea_popescu: this complete identification may not include automatically
the irc name, or
the exponent, or
the user's dog's picture
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 21:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
there's no need
to include
the exponent. if ppl don't know what exponent
to use for a certain modulus, let
them find out.
mircea_popescu: sure. but more generally,
the names of
things respect
the rules of grammar, not
the rules of mechanics.
trinque: right, I could as well use nick for
that, since it's a non-colliding namespace for
those
mircea_popescu: which reduces
to "there ARE practical limits
to labels for
things ; and
they are unrelated
to
the sizes of
the
things, i expect
the WORD for ant, dick, car and aeroplane
to all fit
the ~5.6 characters rule as universally enforced in alphabet"
mircea_popescu: but if you come up with
the idea
that "you know what, alf can have whatever kilometric hash and in my deedbot implementation ima use
the first 100 chars and
that's
that" im not gonna bitch.
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously we would use deflation, say baseblabla
to fix
this up
to a point.
mircea_popescu: what happens if FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4 is longer
than a chat line ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unless
the fucking fp can fit in irc, we're stuck building gossipd before using
this "Actual
thing"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
there's no need
to include
the exponent. if ppl don't know what exponent
to use for a certain modulus, let
them find out.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: and if it's not important enough
to push a valid key
through
the cracks of
the sybil wall, i guess it wasn't actually important enough.
ben_vulpes: even
the mail! gotta keep
the lizards on
their
toes.
trinque: I yet await
the
tale of
the man who used
the expiration field
to his benefit.
ben_vulpes: and
then send a few messages
to your counterparty and get confirmation
that
they decrypt, and ask for
the same
lobbes: asciilifeform> afaik we dun use 'key servers' for anything no moar << at least for
this exercise, I was using it for quick verification of what my exported pub looked liek imported on something
that was not on my local machine.
davout: spotting small differences in a 2048 blurb subjectively sounds impractical
to me
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 05:28 asciilifeform: anything else puts a megatonne of weight on one single hash, a
titanic reward for finding one single solitary collision, hashes (which are voodoo, in all variants, see friday's
thread) are not built
to withstand
this kind of pressure.
trinque: what's
this practicality argument?
the paste is longer?
davout: "my cunthash256 is abcd", what's wrong with
that