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diana_coman: asciilifeform, dunno; but take this re fish since you mentioned your experience in Timis; I can still remember when one found a rotten fish among the frozen "fish" with which communism improved one's diet forcibly.
diana_coman: I don't recall; but I'm sure that at/after the revolution in Romania the idea was quite the same
asciilifeform: ~that~ is how i see the killing of the shoemaker.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i must add also that i went for a week to timis, and for 5 days went past fish market, each time finding there 0 fish. apparently shooting the shoemaker did not fix..
diana_coman: si in sfarsit, ca sa citez din profetul care le stia bag seama inca de mult dinainte ca doar nici nu-s noi: "Se cladeste un mare stabiliment artistic, un teatru, de exemplu. De ce? fiindca un stat modern are, intre alte organe de cultura, si astfel de stabilimente. Ei? cauti artisti - ia-i de unde nu sunt. Iti trebuie literatura - nu exista. Iti trebuie public - publicul nu vine la exhibitiile d-tale. Ce-ti mai ramane de facut in aceasta c
diana_coman: and that's valid for the 1000 bakeries too; I suppose one can argue that it's still an achievement to have bakeries with no bread than to have no bakeries and stale bread but I don't buy it; and note that in the 80's the latest brightest idea (in the same vein, all hail!) was to further do this sort of great "improvement", to wit the communal "neighbourhood kitchen" to get rid of such waste as having individual kitchens in every hruscheba ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 17:15 asciilifeform: in other olds, apparently i slept through this, but in early 2000s some ru d00d actually built a ~non-grazing~ lens for xray. for pennies, at that.
mircea_popescu: dunno argument was "low hanging fruit". they wanna see what happens at high energy. the only way to see is to make. approximately situation of "when it comes to cooking, don't have to order out. alf has this method of making polenta, works well!" "and if i want lobster ?" "well then you gotta buy a lobster". getting indignant over how "wanting lobster only serves to drive an impossible wedge between budget and mariscos mercha
asciilifeform: but will add that i'd have easier time believing the 'physics picked the low-hanging fruit and now you NEED synchrophasotron for $trillion to do ANY' yarn , if it weren't a balloon fulla fart that i can on occasion puncture with fingernail without breaking a sweat
mircea_popescu: if there's even gonna be a next time. i doubt it.
asciilifeform: i do
mircea_popescu: i guess this is a workable forcing of the metaphore.
asciilifeform: pig, i suspect, when of prikoke mass, is simply pig.
BingoBoingo: Which I merely captured from the fat people hate movement
mircea_popescu: it is a constant complaint of the actual females, this. and one i always agree with -- when they bring it. because yes, there's nothing fundamentally female about the pig.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, as i understand, maps the 'pig' to 'female', but the model is quite same, this is moar of a label on the knobs
asciilifeform: i.e. the 2 contenders in the ring, are man and pig
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 16:25 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i dun have a better algo to give for how to reformat a cultural hdd , afaik that's still the state of the art. << Well there is the US Socialist Disney block by block reformat algo as well
asciilifeform: upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901856 << i suspect this is red herring. it is 'institution' making a stab at regaining lost territory. asciilifeform's suspicion is that if 'history struggle', it aint between so much specifically 'new and old elite' as b/w human-man ( who wakes up and knows that he was put upon the earth to cut atom, build harem, etc ) and beetle-man, who 'knows' that he was born to eat from trough prikok ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( recall, the not long ago thrd where a: 'cultures are born, live, senesce, and die, like organisms' m:'poppycock' a:'best i got that makes any sense of the sinusoid')
mircea_popescu: "i made chair, for man to sit in, with my hands as directed by my head, and an endless supply of stirpituri & tirituri, with my cunt, as directed by the cock going into it. WOE IS ME!"
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 16:06 asciilifeform: nao, on other hand, 'cyclical histories' where 'confederacy of dunces' gangs up and dethrones their betters, and then whole edifice turns to shit, from shit grows sumthing new, etc. -- this i can buy, we're quite evidently in the trough of that sinusoid just nao
mircea_popescu: even though i know how it ends.
mircea_popescu: i'd read it.
mircea_popescu: is the only distinction that i don't actually hang the various negrated morons ? because i can swear it is to me a merely cosmetic matter, i would not lift finger one to stop it if they were in fact beheaded for it, and stalin did MORE than me in this vein, hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877763 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and i daresay that the thing is working admirably well ; but not nearly as well as the sovok mechanism did in fact work -- the imperial officers would never have beaten the wehrmacht, for one thing.
asciilifeform: e.g. i have a (long-dead) distant kinsman whose father stayed alive in '20s strictly cuz he burned his swiss diploma. pretty sure ~erryone in sovokistans has a similar tale.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i dun have a better algo to give for how to reformat a cultural hdd , afaik that's still the state of the art. << Well there is the US Socialist Disney block by block reformat algo as well ☟︎
diana_coman: also re stale bread vs new bread I disagree mircea_popescu ; people used to make their OWN bread; not stale
mircea_popescu: diana_coman what, the horses ? the "killed elite" thing would be what, i gh duca ? (and guess what, digging for that reference i also ran into -- apparently there's a piece re the afore mentioned prince) ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dun have a better algo to give for how to reformat a cultural hdd , afaik that's still the state of the art.
diana_coman: for completeness, I can say that I know from direct experience both force-peasants-to-town-into-big-houses and vanish in the night for having had too much wealth beforehand; none of it (in either case) is an achievement as far as I can see
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i can't get behind the usual reaction where 'noshit, this is retarded, what didja expect' tho. how the fuck ~else~ do you properly purge an oldregime wot ?
diana_coman: mind ~exactly the same as current "equality!!!" quotas and whatnots, I consider that the moment one does this systematically, there is right to complain that he ends up with idiots
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I suppose one of those days I'll sink the time in and properly write-it all up and at least be done with it; I knew people who were not allowed to study at university because of "poor background" meaning that there parents had university studies; I also knew people who were pushed to the university because of "good background" although they did not have either inclination or desire for it; and leaving aside how this is to my
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine the concept of "god" is per se harmful. greeks also had, and various others.
asciilifeform: i.e. take in some god swill with erry spoonful of latin, greek
mircea_popescu: i suppose matter should remain open for he who can be arsed to read on it ; that's the best i have for a theory in the meanwhile.
asciilifeform: regency yes, re the rest i have nfi
asciilifeform: tho i must add, unlike shoemaker, ivan was a thinkin' man, spent good % of his life in his (lost to indiana jones warehouse) megalibrary, an' playin' chess etc with courtiers, scheming how to fuck english queen, and so forth
mircea_popescu: "why should i be bothered with a bunch of them". henry also serial-monogamized, rather than make them eat eachj other out.
asciilifeform: i still dunget fully why ivan did not enharem. he had all the 'ducks lined up', boiled in oil good % of the folx in any position to constructively object, even ran experiment where half the kingdom was a personal human-hunt reservation, to test.
asciilifeform: i gotta agree with mircea_popescu re item -- king with single-engined harem is like boeing on 1 motor
mircea_popescu: b) i would deliver ~the wife~, naked other than for being beaten black and blue, straight out of the trunk into the courtyard of her ancestral home, and publicly explain to her father that if i ever hear of any of their intolerable kin he'll hear obituaries.
mircea_popescu: a) i would ~ignore~ the sons. you've seen me do it before, yet it's not obvious to you. death of heroes belongs to they showing some promise, why muddy it up. what if i mixed some mud in your cocktail ? i would not insult the heroes-in-baking by this addition.
asciilifeform: then i'm stumped, 1941-45 was my 1 crib sheet re problem
mircea_popescu: mno, i'm not stalin.
asciilifeform: i'd expect it'd be same as what stalin did in this exact case
asciilifeform: i dun think he had the 'if they aint retarded, they will co-caesar and eventually eat me' problem -- consider pacepa.
asciilifeform: aint the whole point of a vizier, to handle the 'i can either king or learn c++' problem ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- disgustingly fat, yes, pinnacle of asskissing, yes, sent weekly letters "tov. shoemaker, to whom i remain most loyal servant" in prison, yes.
asciilifeform: i gotta bite, an' ask, how is ~that~ bit of magic maintained...? do they have an eliza running, to post as him ? or how else anyone thinks 'not dead'
mircea_popescu: to this day i remain most proud of this particular instance, out of all of trilema's time-bending achievements.
mircea_popescu: i can see it, "worked for stalin coincidentally, had ceased working by 70s". notwithstanding that the EXACT picture perfect rendition of said bootlick : http://trilema.com/2010/la-moartea-lui-adrian-paunescu/ (a fellow who i declared dead on trilema a week before he actuallty died, ro press "omitted to notice", by the way, a week later, when the "suprising event" occured)
asciilifeform: ( where actual one, sent in '37-'38 mostly folx who were the most disgusting bootlicks, fattest apparatchiks, they continued to send! him! letters! with 'tov. stalin, to whom i remain most loyal servant..' etc )
asciilifeform: i suspect he was working from stalin, but not the actual one, but own mental phanto
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 22:09 asciilifeform: an asciilifeform who had never touched microshit, i suspect, would be a better man than asciilifeform who did..
asciilifeform: nowadays any mcd-eater can become this, eh. but as i understand then it took some pull, to wangle the calories
asciilifeform: tov. c was quite unlike mircea_popescu in 1 important way , tho -- he neglected the disease until was unmanageable, was - near as i can tell - pretty soft (vs, e.g., stalin), very little 'prophylactic' depantsuiting in his reign
a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 16:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901354 << spyked - i was thinking, 'let's make torrent', then realized that torrent is some (afaik) largely unexplored heathenware, possibly due for a civilized replacement. might be worth expanding on if anyone has free hands.
BingoBoingo: I'm back from the walk. I have an "alfajor oreo" in front of me, and I the retardartion of the cunt snot pile still pisses me off.
trinque: in my brief dive I have yet to find evidence that anyone on xmpp talks about anything other than xmpp
BingoBoingo: <mod6> i'll also state that mine was never huge either. had ~2-3 channels, ~20-25 users. the biggest thing I recall was just having enough b/w so peeps stay connected. << They all want pipe
BingoBoingo: But as awful as IRC documentation is the XMPP thing... I tried to read some explanations of what XMPP is and how it works, but the 2004 era buzzwords and "keep updated" stuff is thick
BingoBoingo: I feel much dumber and angrier than I did when seeing the news of Freenode retardation
BingoBoingo: I have spent a lot of years reading very stupid things, but reading docs to try to distinguish IRC networks today...
mircea_popescu: you know, to revisit http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901543 -- one could at least learn whether i should provision for ram or cpu!!! ☝︎
mod6: i'll also state that mine was never huge either. had ~2-3 channels, ~20-25 users. the biggest thing I recall was just having enough b/w so peeps stay connected.
mircea_popescu: trinque yes. and i hold we gotta ask em all.
mircea_popescu: i happen to think this is a thing they got right (accidentally, and for purely historical reasons).
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901578 << I'll see what I can do about standing up an ircd sometime this week. It'll take a bit to lock down the conf of the thing, but eventually, if all looks good, we should be able to link up our nodes, trinque. ☝︎
trinque: I'll go poking around in public jabber servers and see how lively they are
mod6: For what I can see, I'm not so certain that we're married to IRC, but I suspect that our bots/loggers are a bit more closely wed to the protocol.
trinque: I've run an ejabberd before too, quite familiar.
mod6: I could stand one up somewhere, my time is a bit limited this week. Might have some time this weekend.
mod6: I myself used to run an ircd-hybrid, but that was srsly like 20 years ago. So I'm not sure how much active knowledge I have on the subject, currently. Anyway, whatever or where ever we go, it's just a temporary place until we have gossipd.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 18:43 hanbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked trinque for inputs.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901514 << I'm of the thinking we should move too; however, I've been thinking the same thing all day, 'where?'. Looks like the court is investigating some options for existing networks, as well as considering one of our own. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma off to debuggery room then, bbl
asciilifeform: i was under notion that this item is an 'all hands' firefight
mircea_popescu: i don't read those things.
asciilifeform: but so far this one's in the lead, i.e. box actually answered
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get it, you object to antique motd ?
asciilifeform: ( and maybe even then healthiest horse, for all i know the others same but not reported )
mircea_popescu: anyways, imo the matter still stands. originally my idea was that phf will put up a drawing of a dwarf with a humongo hammer at the close of the 2nd chapter in the tmsr saga (as per last words of http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128287 ), but i guess instead it'll be a ... large spider ? wtf. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik they autorotate'em ( by what satanic principle, i do not know at all )
asciilifeform: not as if i dun regularly come up against same barf as mircea_popescu did this morning
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so i did
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at first i thought you went through the list of old dns responses/old servers and fished out one inexplicably not on mine
asciilifeform: i.e. buncha people who all promise same thing, and deliver ~same maybe-it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd prefer if mircea_popescu picked which horse is healthiest in that glue factory
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun know this for a fact; maybe simply spat at the string of barf and stopped for nao
trinque: ah, I hadn't even realized he couldn't connect *at all*
asciilifeform: i'm currently sitting on tepper.freenode.net ( 192.186.157.43 ) fwiw.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i'm with trinque on this one -- if we confine the thread to mircea_popescu's www, it will be a very slow thread. i do hope that he finds a working fleanode box to connect to in the meanwhile.
trinque: absent the "this will be somehow instructive" there's the practical need for infrastructure with which I 100% agree
asciilifeform: hanbot: i have 0 to disagree in re the scheme mircea_popescu described on his www . it's exactly what oughta be sewed.
asciilifeform: having said this, i'm all for setting up a not-fleanode . and will put relay on dulap as soon as the matter of 'which ircd' is settled.
asciilifeform: so ftr i will have to disagree with hanbot , in that imho coal miner is ~not~ the best geologist.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-21 21:18 trinque: in compounding ironies, I stood up my own ircd_ratbox earlier out of curiosity