asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al:

asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERZ!

asciilifeform: in other nyooz:

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu gonna fire up sks dump circa 2016 shortly.

asciilifeform: last thing out of him was actually a thread at trilema, to this effect.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: (TaT?)

asciilifeform: iirc we even had a fella ragequit over WoL closing

asciilifeform: ;;seen mats

asciilifeform: winblowz local roots are not actually rare.

asciilifeform: i even have one. big whoop.

asciilifeform: ^ $250 for piece of cardboard

asciilifeform: in other nyooz of the ridiculous, http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-HACKING-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-MACIVORY-LISP-MACHINE-KEYBOARD-OVERLAY-/322130142066

asciilifeform: yeah.

asciilifeform: $s Vanzetti

asciilifeform: ah that was it.

asciilifeform: (tax, 'penalties', various alimonies, etc.)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: usaschwitz, like all other slave empires, is ultimately powered by nondischargeable personal debt

asciilifeform: shinohai: http://qntra.net/2016/06/bespoke-windows-exploit-on-the-market/#comment-60243 ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1) define 'phinary' algebra 2) ?????????????? 3) profit!111

asciilifeform: if you die 'of old age', the medical racket gets it

asciilifeform: life insurance in usa is ~wholly a scam. has been for eons.

asciilifeform: correct

asciilifeform: (recall how euclid described sqrt(2))

asciilifeform: well 'number isn't irrational' is something you determine from its ~definition~

asciilifeform: let's have the whole thing then..?

asciilifeform: then why fuck around with bases ?

asciilifeform: (that using peculiar bases is somehow ciphratory)

asciilifeform: no, but implied !

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is more in the 'arab caesar cipher' vein, of cheating self.

asciilifeform: because it is actually not so hard to find, in polynomial time, that 3.1462643699419726 =~ sqrt(2)+sqrt(3).

asciilifeform: not enemy cryptologist.

asciilifeform: this is a pistol that shoots out the wrong end. the only one it makes life harder for is the user.

asciilifeform: e.g., the symbol sqrt(2).

asciilifeform: nah, on physical machine you are working with ~representations~ of irrational numbers

asciilifeform: just like how i can't go to my shop and machine a platonic solid.

asciilifeform: except that we don't have machines that work on real numbers.

asciilifeform: how is this even possible.

asciilifeform: i had to grep own l0gz

asciilifeform: phf ^

asciilifeform: and did not.

asciilifeform: ^ ought to have found the old l0gz

asciilifeform: $s vanzetti

asciilifeform: oh, relatedly, and strangely,

asciilifeform: hm

asciilifeform: this has ~nothing to do with provably placing transform's inversion into a complexity class.

asciilifeform: i recall there was thread where mircea_popescu suggested the use of nonstandard bases to frustrate enemy per 'specificity of diddling' principle.

asciilifeform: and what of this ?

asciilifeform: base does nothing.

asciilifeform: how?

asciilifeform: Nyooz at 11!

asciilifeform: poor specification (and moreover deceitful sleigh-of-hand from the usual suspects) is bad for crypto.

asciilifeform: eh.

asciilifeform: or is it backwards?

asciilifeform: where is my DETERMINISTIC barf?!

asciilifeform: damn a111

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-11#712427 http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-11#712428 http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-11#712429 << for completeness. ☝︎☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: see also the canonical >>> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-11#712426 ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'stfu, monkey', must be.

asciilifeform: dunno. but that was the response.

asciilifeform: it is in the l0gz somewhere

asciilifeform: one woman offered me a candy bar.

asciilifeform: got the ENTIRELY unsurprising 'what, you're a martian?' stare back.

asciilifeform: btw when i went down into the snakepit with several dozen renowned 'cryptographers' earlier this year, i asked a few folks about this. ☟︎

asciilifeform: that's the basic boojum of crypto as practiced by extant 'cryptographers'.

asciilifeform: sure. but my inability to do so says NOTHING about its hardness. only about how MY PARTICULAR hands grow out from my arse.

asciilifeform: 'aes is hard to break' 'says who' 'says me, i haven't broken it yet' ☟︎

asciilifeform: it is 100% exactly the same case as in symmetric cipherdom.

asciilifeform: and point of thread was 'no one has shown with any degree of rigour whatsoever, ~how~ hard' ☟︎

asciilifeform: whole notion of hash is that 'do the inverse' is hard.

asciilifeform: nor any path to the f.

asciilifeform: we haven't the f.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is quite like those 1980s papers about star drives

asciilifeform: in other nyooz, jp about to drop $100B of printolade.

asciilifeform: l0l!

asciilifeform: greece is dead and full of goat fuckers, does not cancel aristotle.

asciilifeform: lose the books, lose 0 stupidity, and ~all shit worth actually knowing.

asciilifeform: point was, it is not 'from old books'

asciilifeform: not otherwise.

asciilifeform: pair of properly selected primes.

asciilifeform: (raw n-bit string that hasn't been fed to nextprime() nor the other tests, is not a key!)

asciilifeform: and the work required to break each.

asciilifeform: keyspace is the space of all possible ~actual keys we might end up with~ at the end of proper key generation.

asciilifeform: that isn't the keyspace.

asciilifeform: (in the sense that K possible bitstrings could end up at the given nextprime())

asciilifeform: a clearer approach would be to state this in terms of how many bits of entropy, such that is used in generating key, are de facto discarded by the nextprime() op.

asciilifeform: take legendre's approximation, or chebyshev's, and see.

asciilifeform: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PrimeNumberTheorem.html

asciilifeform: more of what ?

asciilifeform: there's a hell of a lot.

asciilifeform: $s prime number theorem

asciilifeform: not so.

asciilifeform: because 'randomly' is not good enough.

asciilifeform: ^ the hilarious bit is that we are smashing 'randomly selected n-bit primes' every day now

asciilifeform: (an no this has not been done for any extant system other than otp)

asciilifeform: if you could prove what is called 'flat keyspace', you can work as if every key you select requires same work to break.

asciilifeform: i.e. problems np-complete in the general case, but very much p in ~every known instance.

asciilifeform: cases of folks stepping on this caltrop abound

asciilifeform: the 'cryptographers', my shiny metal arse.

asciilifeform: it was stomach-turning.