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punkman: when multiple recipients, gpg makes a key, encrypts content with that key, the encrypt key separately for each recipient
mircea_popescu: i'd seriously consider publishing trilema as such if a way for this existed.
mircea_popescu: ppl really need to to a diff between realsolid's claims in 2012 and gavin's claims in 2015
mircea_popescu: <trinque> or if it did on some forkchain, who cares? that one will inflate << and for a while it will be "just as good as bitcoin" except "better", like all other scamcoins to date. like ethereum, and next before it, and aurora coin before it, and solidcoin before it and so on.
mircea_popescu: for very obvious reasons only a retard needs delineated.
mircea_popescu: a retail payment system that isn't visa is going to be inferior to a retail payment system that is visa for the foreseeable future.
punkman: Szabo: "A retail payment system that makes the consumer worry about two prices instead of one is far inferior to system where merchant pays tx fee."
mircea_popescu: punkman yes of course. just as soon as there's observable value everywhere a horde of shitheads with spoons are moving towards it. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 18:32:55; asciilifeform: but it is a handy means of mechanically computing whom to negrate.
mircea_popescu: should we need a salt, in the shape of a #sigline for all authors ? something like
mod6: now just gotta do it for rel2-pre and clean it up a bit and i think i'll have something for you guys to look at.
mod6: it's a one shot, straight to rel1 source.
mod6: oh this is pretty neat. so I got the mechanics tested & rebased for rel1 -- off of classic patches & genesis.vpatch to be sure. created a "rel1.vpatch" from that. then tested it, worked good on top of extracted genesis.vpatch. then did one of these numbers "cat genesis.vpatch >> rel1-fromair.vpatch ; cat rel1.vpatch >> rel1-fromair.vpatch ; patch -p1 < rel1-fromair.vpatch"
ben_vulpes: which, more idle experiment than an attempt to build a bitcoin on a macos box
ben_vulpes: it's a good and simple definition. "it must build bitcoin with V, it must sync a full chain verifying each block, and it must keep up with the main chain."
mircea_popescu: no i mean i didn't really have a very good idea
asciilifeform out to meatspace for a spell
mircea_popescu: it is a central tenant of computer science, henceforth.
mircea_popescu: "There remains after today no alternative manner to deploy Bitcoin software, or indeed any software that is not a toy intended to be used by children playing, outside of this paradigm. May the switchover be bloody and painful in all the right places." is not some sort of a joke, and in no case can it be waved aside.
mircea_popescu: because the whitegoods are fucking made for a house with running water by people who have running water and intend to continue having it.
mircea_popescu: just like you can go make yourself a house on the prarie. it won't have running water. and all the whitegoods will work poorly fed from canister.
mircea_popescu: but in being non-ba project, it misses out on all those things a ba project gets.
punkman: sure, but why can't punkman use v for non-b-a project?
mircea_popescu: b-a is not a fucking gift "to humanity" as that "humanity" chooses to understand itself. b-a is a gift to humanity as defined by b-a.
punkman: no synergy plz, v will likely be used for other projects, without b-a wot, etc
mircea_popescu: and this exact scenario has played out a dozen or more times in the history of b-a
mircea_popescu: (really, V chiefly exists because we put other thibngs together a while back, and we didn't at the time know yet this is how it'll come out.
mircea_popescu: maybe mike'd consider making it a subthing of his excellent wot graph
mircea_popescu: which is exactly a) what should be favoured (make it easy for the DEPLOYERS to sign, let the writers have to do all the hard work) and b) maximally economical.
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 15:51:32; asciilifeform: this makes it possible to mechanically trace a 'patchchain'
mircea_popescu: b) you farm these and let them age, what's the big deal. 99% of all social media accounts are registered for the purpose of aging and then be used in a scam exactly like is contemplated here.
mircea_popescu: a) twitter is a piece of shit web 2.0 item. they are probably hacked by 4 different teams as we speak and they don't even known
mircea_popescu: anyway, i can't be arsed to, but it takes anyone five minutes to create a twitter accouint, link it to a dead website and say "dear mircea popoescu" on it
mircea_popescu: lmao twitter now sucks uisers phone number as a "security" thijg too ?
mircea_popescu: so no, a very cheap lesson
asciilifeform: antonosika: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered << a less-expensive and altogether more diverting lesson
antonosika: mircea_popescu: I hope you take a good ulterior consideration until then.
mircea_popescu: antonosika no, that's not what it says. the contract creates no nude obligation to pay, which may be satisfied, and then a separate and ulterior consideration as to whom.
antonosika: asciilifeform: hypothetically - as long as there is only one suggestion, from an impostor or not, for what account to make a payment to AND the contract finalises, wouldn't a future delivery contract state that a payment should take place?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if he paid out to a random keyless amoeba, that'd be reason to conclude that he was shot and replaced not even by hitler's agent but by a street dog
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 15:41:34; trinque: I recall discussion of removing the timestamps, but didn't find a conclusion there
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 15:41:10; trinque: asciilifeform: I've produced a genesis.vpatch with your instructions which is only different from yours in terms of timestamps. expected result?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didja post a genesis.vpatch without timestamps?
antonosika: hypothetically, as long as there is only one suggestion for what account to make a payment to and the contract finiliz
asciilifeform: punkman: you are invited to suggest a plausible alternative.
asciilifeform: unless it actually looks for a pre-existing payload and checks against it
punkman: was a feature I think
asciilifeform: punkman: but apparently jurov's turdatron accepts a standalong sig with no payload..
antonosika: I am antonosika fingerprint 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7. I'll do anything to prove it. I'm looking forward to claim a future contract. But I do not have access to my secret key.
asciilifeform: punkman: a .sig file should consist wholly of the detached sig
asciilifeform: antonosika: what does it mean, 'if no one claims a future' ?
antonosika: What if no one claims a future?
asciilifeform: 'I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question!' (tm) (r) (babbage)
antonosika: If I do not have access to my backup key, and have a new comp - what proof would work to claim the long party as antonosika?
mircea_popescu: (can you actually read stuff like that or should i provide a summary instead ?)
assbot: De pe cind eram io mai tinar on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpuVgl )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do me a favour, read http://trilema.com/2011/de-pe-cind-eram-io-mai-tinar/ then we can continue this conversation
asciilifeform: (yes, moar complicated, and could - and has - fill a bookcase. but this is the 1line version in my head)
mircea_popescu: "how do you propose to make diff work ?" "above my pay grade chief, but here's a website with code snippets"
mircea_popescu: how do you propose to run a country ?
mircea_popescu: for the record, it's not even clear moving from bearer to certified insturment is anti-liberty. for insmtance - hansa used the certifierd instrument greatly, because as a merchant, giving your son a plain "pay the bearer so much silver upon presentation of this note in such town" was merely an invitation to any highwayman on route to "please fuck this young man in the ass and here's the pay for your trouble" ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: (and perhaps even saw it in a museum)
mircea_popescu: technically money, in its circulatory form (ie, currency - to distinguish from the money as unit of account, for instance) was coins and bank-notes. coins are now disused, for entirely practical reasons ; and bank-notes come in those two flavours. moving from one to the other isn't THAT big a leap.
asciilifeform: sorta like if a pauper finds a ring of keys - he doesn't get to own the house and car.
asciilifeform: idk, i thought 'godspeed to fakers of vermeers' and 'good bilderberg is a dead bilderberg' was pretty clear..?
asciilifeform doesn't object to elites per se (sorta like objecting to gravity) or to hereditary wealth (also rather like objecting to gravity) but arguing for the degeneracy of a particular set of people
asciilifeform: but proposed a hypothesis about whole class here
mircea_popescu: special pleading is a category of pleading, which is a category of speech, which happens in the forum, where the speaker proposes that one member of a category be different from the others on no grounds.
asciilifeform: so 'social media' is a a handcrafted monster of very real elites, rather than a plague of locusts that came out of nowhere
mircea_popescu: so. b-a is the irc channel where vampires of mankind gather, to discuss how to lower into pederasty the teenaged daughters of hard working social media wokers.
asciilifeform: (who said they couldn't have a wot?)
asciilifeform: but it is a wot of vampires of mankind.
asciilifeform: not quite best analogy - theoretically a plebe may drill for oil (if the local rulers permit it)
mircea_popescu: it used to be a regular occurence in the usa that some cowboy owned some land, got it taken off his hands, buyer became oil baron
asciilifeform: it is a regular occurrence in usa that some schmuck find $canvas at an estate sale, then cleans it, it gets taken off his hands for a few hundy, and then a blueblood naturally converts it to 40m by getting it WoTed.
mircea_popescu: i don't know that ever in the history of civilisation was fine art a bearer document.
asciilifeform: rather than the reality, where it is really a trapping of power, like king's scepter
asciilifeform: one where the lie is publicly told that 'if you have a picasso, it is yours, and you're worth 40m'
asciilifeform: in both cases there is a kind of sham going on
mircea_popescu: but in principle a parliament is not required to allow carrier notes in its realm.
asciilifeform: and the vermeer was intended as a wall decoration ?
mircea_popescu: but they re-defined them, apparently, to be a sort of cheques.
asciilifeform: so from the wot pov, it is not an atrocity that if usg enforcers find me with a metric tonne of benjie bills in bags, they will take'em ?
mircea_popescu: and he is now a foremost authority in his field.
mircea_popescu: and started a career in art, specifically painting scholarship
mircea_popescu: one of my dearest teachers in college, at the time a respected doctor, retired
phf: "You? Impossible! A mason?" "A mason," I replied. "A sign," he said, "a sign." "It is this," I answered, producing from beneath the folds of my roquelaire a trowel. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: THAT is a wot you're not getting in.
asciilifeform: 'how to fly? 1) be a bird'
mircea_popescu: a) go to classical/art college ; b) go to auction house intern position ; c) write for whoever will publish about art and do a good job.
mircea_popescu: the test still is "who among you has a wot account"!
assbot: Bitcoin and the poor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WLE6hf )
mircea_popescu: you never went anywhere as a couple ?
mircea_popescu: ownership is a convention
mircea_popescu: not anymore than there's a way for him to own plutonium.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a way for peasant to OWN picasso ☟︎
asciilifeform: but that the claim that the picasso is the object being tested is a crock of shit
asciilifeform: not saying that somehow there ~ought~ to be a way for the peasant to cash his picasso in
asciilifeform: pgp is a hard litmus
mircea_popescu: guy's obviously a scammer fishing for soft support, decimation style.