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BingoBoingo: Ah, I am pretty sure my 7 roommates at the hostel are argentine. I have talked to none of them yet because they are either sleeping or absent.
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell so far Uruguay lacks politics as understood by a middle western rube. Instead it has operations discusions concerning things like cleaning la playas.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the pretense of argentina, in all fields, is nothing short of hysterical. they lose a sub, 100% through being TOTAL FUCKTARDS. they act as if adult country had some sort of problem ; as if people on it were qualified -- not to run a sub, but to run a dishwasher and so on. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork ☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Ah, last nights venezualans mentioned they were very surprised by the number of cautions versus their experience
hanbot: I don't recall ever seeing cleaning crews near the river. or anywhere other than the esquinas of convenience stores. anyway, if they're anything like their southern neighbors ~everyone you meet will warn you about pickpockets/bag snatchers, to the degree someone who doesn't offer such warnings is by that sign a potential friend ;) ☟︎
BingoBoingo: hanbot: I hear they clean less in the off season. Today while exploring spotted many crews engaged in cleaning.
diana_coman: phf, thanks!
hanbot: la plata's northern side looks to be in better (but not by much) shape than arg's
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently you haven't seen the castles the Busch family built with their soda swill revenues
asciilifeform: timis has at least 1 sadsector, in that sense.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15419.0, Best ask: 15420.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 15425.0, 24 hour volume: 141980.38473187, 24 hour low: 12851.0, 24 hour high: 15820.0, 24 hour vwap: None
BingoBoingo unsure any part of Montevideo is too sad, other than the listing boat
asciilifeform: phf: or in the sad part of timis.
BingoBoingo: Now there's a neighborhood called Centro that has yet to interest me, but it will likely be crossed on the way to the old city.
BingoBoingo: That is nearly as central as central gets, the border of Buceo y Pocitos
BingoBoingo: Buenas tardes todos gente http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/07/the-midwestern-rube-visits-la-rambla/
diana_coman: phf, fixed, thank you!
phf: diana_coman: your mpi_second_cut.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig links to http://dianacoman.com/vpatches/mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
ate: asciilifeform: Thanks
asciilifeform: ate: i recommend to read the logs also. http://btcbase.org/log and see subj line of this chan.
ate: asciilifeform Please excuse this noob, but I've been reading through your website over the past week or two. Creating a sane computing environment has been an interest of mine for a while, and most of my effots have been following the work of Alan Kay. Eventually, as I believe you have, I learned about the beautiful Lisp Machines, and am very interested in working to create modern versions.
ben_vulpes: *another* three char nick?
BingoBoingo: Well, you negotiate ahead of time whatever token is your picasso
asciilifeform: if i had to decide whether to find a picasso, or to be side swiped by a garbage truck, it would not be easy choice ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2015-08-22 22:03 mircea_popescu: well the entire contention was the strange notion that peasant who "finds" vermeer and "has always had it in family" should get to keep it.
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-22#1249066 << thread ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: it so happens that it is not.
asciilifeform: the art thing would be considerably more interesting if picasso were actually a bearer instrument
BingoBoingo: Not in arse, in suitcase. You declare the art as art worth ? and package it to match ?
asciilifeform: meanwhile shitfinex : 'Over the last few days, we were hit by a mixture of huge real customer demand for deposits & withdrawals, at the same time as we experienced ddos in the form of malicious microdeposits and withdrawals (a heavily funded attack). On top of this, both the Ethereum and Bitcoin networks were under high congestion (blame the kittens, not us.)...' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side << if you leave at all, documented
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs. << This is why picasos are a thing
asciilifeform: if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc. << And there's the pain of the experiment
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: didja do this via localbitcoins hand2hand?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phunphakt, Officially Verboten to leave usaschwitz with more than 10k usd 'gangster roll'. so today to carry 1btc's worth of green candywrapper requires arse capsule or similar. << Nah, declare it and your affinity for gambling
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. << very doable for BingoBoingo in el estados unidos
asciilifeform: 'Unlike some states, Florida has no law establishing "parent-child privilege," which would keep communications between them confidential' << interesting detail. ☟︎
asciilifeform: '"We're not only trying to build a case against the defendant, we're trying to ask the broader question of why - a question that the victims' families and the community deserves' << prettygreat ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: hey, недонесение is a crime in this here reich
ben_vulpes: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parents-of-tampa-serial-killing-suspect-refuse-to-answer-questions/ << refusing to answer questions is contempt of court! ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is hilarious, you can watch their hand-fudging in real time
asciilifeform: ( e.g. the latter currently displaying a suspiciously round '15000.00' )
asciilifeform: other goxes ( e.g. shitstamp ) having... technical difficulties
asciilifeform: ^ loox like they've quit selling btc...
diana_coman: in general the discussion will also stick much closer to the code
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ah, in general it will be, yes; this is quite particular as it is a rather big block of not-totally-sane code that is imported basically
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i don't mean re this, necessarily. mpi as an import is one thing
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha; well, sane-by-comparison to the clusterfuck that is whole GnuPG (I DID go through THAT too initially)
asciilifeform: every single numerical operation, including addition, time-leaks.
asciilifeform: i do regret having used name 'sane-mpi', there is very little sane about it except strictly in contrast with the original material
diana_coman: more like forcing one to see them I guess
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, they could, there's no question there; but they are text as it is, not sure what the big gain is (and it would end up in a very long thing)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman could the patches be actually inline and not merely reference ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty ! i'ma link to yours.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 21:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a problem yeah. will however have to be bit, wtf else to do.
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595796 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596582 << a few old threads , for folx thinking about diff ) ☝︎☝︎
diana_coman: feel free to host them too, obv
mircea_popescu: now to figure out how this is done
trinque: mircea_popescu: I've fixed this, can unban
trinque: hm, nope, this one's on me.
asciilifeform: there was at least 1 other thread about braindamage of classical diff
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. the stub is in log, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747792 ☝︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform complained repeatedly about this from aug 2015 and onward.
asciilifeform: ( unix diff pointedly does not, interprets it as vanishment-into and reappearance-from thin air )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eventually we are gonna need a sane replacement for unix diff/patch. one that not only has e.g. selectable hashtronics but knows what movement and deletion of files is
asciilifeform: '...we found out, that the specification of the "--s2k-count" parameter, which specifies the number of rounds of key deriviation function to unlock the private key, has changed from gpgv1 to gpgv2, so that it is ignored in gpg2 but does not cause any warning or error.'
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathendom : http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/07/1 >> '...Debian switch from gpg1 to gpg2... After getting gpg and agent running, I noticed, that not reliably stopping the gpg-agent on initrd would introduce a private key data leak via /proc from early boot process to running system when stopping fails...' and,
asciilifeform: for that matter, order'em to make the 'make' clean properly. also straightforward op. what kind of people cannot set up a make.
asciilifeform: i'd volunteer to make this surgery but doesn't mg have programming folx on retainer..
diana_coman will attempt it with some time to spare
mircea_popescu: as one man said to another once, "if the design impedes you, this will be no problem, as we'll fucking make a new design"
mircea_popescu: it'd better be fucking possible because the alternative is madness.
diana_coman: well yes, that was my initial proposal and question "is it possible?" ; if yes, then all nice and cool
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ^ that solve it ?
asciilifeform: was gonna instead have long painful argument re structures that goes nowhere!111
asciilifeform: she can. i simply just nao thought of it, lol.
mircea_popescu: so then why can't she simply move the mpi/ dir into eucrypt/mpi/ and proceed ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman if every single patch you release is a genesis ( i.e. previously existing items are lifted with paste ) then you may as well simply publish signed tarballs, you are not actually using v
mircea_popescu: why the fuck exactly can't i move project/a to master/project/a through a patch ?
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear with me if this discussion unearthed a fundamental bug in v design whereby we have no good way to import projects.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'll peek at logs real quick, then let ya know. it hasn't reconnected since the netsplit
asciilifeform: and that you are now responsible for as if you had written it.
asciilifeform: you have instead 300kb of liquishit that seemingly appeared out of thin air.
trinque: thing's been on that host for months now
asciilifeform: naturally if yer simply gonna unzip and piss over the vtronic aspect where nobody has to hand-diff 300kB of liquishit -- then yes you dun have 2 genesis.
trinque: with the giant netsplit earlier, I'm skeptical it's the host.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what two genesises ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you'd make a new genesis, for eucrypt, and patch it with mpi. this patch will share no .sigs with the other mpi it is text-identical to
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform preference or no preference it'll have to be reground
asciilifeform: draw how you want the graph to look. and only then make the diffs. not vice-versa.
asciilifeform: where the linkage was ~not~ mechanically clear, because it appeared merely as a set of external symbols inside trb, rather than a proper lift of the files
asciilifeform: the important aspect is to avoid the mistake asciilifeform made early on in vtronic era, with 'tinyscheme' proggy
asciilifeform: when drawn in phf's viewer, this will appear as a graph with two genesisen. which mircea_popescu seems to have allergy for, for some reason. but there is nothing outrageous mechanically about it.
asciilifeform: it means that you simply lift the code from the press.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, can you work me through the steps to "subsume it into your own"? I don't yet see clearly what that is
asciilifeform: ( what was asciilifeform going to do with mpi ? there was plan, for 1 further cut, of the logger and the allocator. but i put it in cold storage when began work on ffa . )
asciilifeform: ftr i have no intention of amending mpi myself . if at some time i discover a new kochism therein, i will vdiff against diana_coman's mpi-containing entity