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mircea_popescu: 4kw or such too.
asciilifeform: ( and even it, i suspect, will have to be sold, won't fit in orbit capsule )
mircea_popescu: this was like a ton.
asciilifeform: phunphakt : in american schools, there are power tools. but children are not permitted near them. they may only draw a cut, and beg teacher to make it.
mircea_popescu: "practical studies" or something. the girls knitted.
mircea_popescu: we had a tired old horizontal mill as 11-12-13yos.
asciilifeform: i actually wish , in retrospect, that i'd had an extra year of saw, hammer, before comp.
asciilifeform: you'd think not much. but can even more readily learn 'reality has a shape and a resistance-of-medium objectively' than with comp.
asciilifeform: re tools, asciilifeform was given saws, nails, hammers, then wires, diodes, etc long before comp
mircea_popescu: and with a well compressed, angry item like the z80, there's plenty of such "accidentally caught glimpse of santa naked" events
mircea_popescu: because evidently there's secrets.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's this type of thing that makes it good. kid's eternal interest, once he gets out of learning his mom's language, is figuring out THE SECRET of dad's tools.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:30 mircea_popescu: (z80 thing when reset will munge the "videocard" such as it is, resulting in a pattern brieflydisplaying)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751018 << they all did this, because 'randomized' memory on boot ( no addr lines were wasted making video switchable on/off , so you could see the rubbish when power came up ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: problem of temperatures etc. if you keep it small sure, but as it grows gets more energy... not so good, leadcooked duck.
asciilifeform: but to know what makes the program -- oughta.
mod6: true enough too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody said kid oughta know how to smelt the sand, gassify fluorine, etch chipz.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah but at larger distance / larger size it kinda taints the meat.
mircea_popescu: im not so certain of that ; most plowing happens happily with plows the ploughsmen could not replicate.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> lead imo not the best choice. << ah. one reason that i prefer lead over steel shot is that it tends to not break my teeth when I bite into one.
asciilifeform: it is to this day my belief that a comp that dun fit-in-kid-head is broken by design.
phf would also like to use same computer for general computing
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 16:48 asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta'
mircea_popescu: not a bad angle tbh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of asciilifeform's persistent crackpotteries, is to reforge this sword. i.e. make comp that fits in kid head .
mircea_popescu: lead imo not the best choice.
mircea_popescu: yeah, so if you actually do tungsten steel shot for duck, you want like 100.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> incidentally mod6 : when you say #6 is it like 300 pellet load or like 200 pellet load ? apparently eu and us terminology manages to differ on one more thing << It looks like #6 shot pellets are .11" in di., which makes about 225 pellets per oz.
mircea_popescu: major tech advance, this was, for teh era.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. rom got deselected after being copied to ram , so did not sit and uselessly hog addr space )
asciilifeform: the reason this was doable, was that mos6510 -- unlike ye olde 6502 -- had an extra register, that gave you 6 flippable bits , nonmemorymapped; and you could bank-switch with it
asciilifeform: you could actually use all 64kB if you overwrote the basic
asciilifeform: commodore did the copy-to-ram thing to win the owner a 'cheat' of usable address space
mircea_popescu: (z80 thing when reset will munge the "videocard" such as it is, resulting in a pattern brieflydisplaying) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and iirc classical crapples executed the rombasic directly from rom, so 0 boot )
mircea_popescu once spent hours pushing the reset button trying to figure out the pattern on the screen
asciilifeform: booted faster than ye olde crt.
mircea_popescu: yes, but... was still there.
asciilifeform: it did, but i never noticed with naked eye. prolly because tv had to warm.
mircea_popescu: not immediately. took .3 or so
mircea_popescu: not so different then from "first loads kernel, then here's your terminal"
mircea_popescu: well technically they first loaded basic
asciilifeform: to revisit the micros : it is interesting that NOBODY today makes a comp of any description that presents the eye with a programmable prompt immediately on power up. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that is after all the point, neh, to somehow get as large a headcount as possible through the various gates (born, college, credit cards, mortgage, retirement hgome etc) WITHOUT "harming the environment" which in any practical sesne means... without changing anything. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ecological item-unit, can be stored in the wall and "keep happy" large population of... well...
mircea_popescu: for the pantsuit, the fact that it will soak up with no change or other effect all the time/effort/cyckles etc you put into it IS A SELLING POINT.
mircea_popescu: consider : what makes a bad penis ? that you can rub it all you want and STILL it won't spit out. but what makes a good cunt ? that you can pound it all you want and STILL it won't in any way change. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 00:51 mircea_popescu: i suppose this reduces the discussion to "there's two kinds of bipedals, the monkey and the human. the monkey dedicates itself to building wail groups, and the human to not needing to."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:39 asciilifeform: that's what makes idiotrons destructive -- they can absorb ~infinite sweat, work, brain cycles, and give back nuffin
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750708 << incidentally re this, following the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750128 divide, it may very well be the case that to pantsuit, it appears as opposite! it is GOOD for the exact reason you judge it dangerous. ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: and costing moar than the comp as well.
asciilifeform: the one infamous for faster cpu than the comp it connected to
mircea_popescu: oh disk, i was thinking flexible diskette thing
asciilifeform: the commodore had -- luxury!! -- the 5inch disk drive.
asciilifeform: funnily enough i did not program the 'iskra', was small, programmed already 'commodore' ( and inherited a 8086 a few yrs after )
mircea_popescu: at some point they came out with a 90minute tape, kicked all ass.
asciilifeform: ( for e.g. bk0010, you needed specifically one ~without~ equalizer thing )
mircea_popescu: what did you use btw ? iirc raks was teh tape
asciilifeform: not everybody had the proper tape deck
mircea_popescu: well i think i'd have scrounged together the two bux for a RAKS blank before i spent two days typing in
asciilifeform: and much of the 'formative' aspect was precisely the romtronic prompt
asciilifeform: thing is, 80s micros had the rom basic. so cassette was really optional, could enter simple gamez from paper, if wholly starved for 'sneakernet'
mircea_popescu: you also had to buy the casette tapes, so often we didn't bother, just kept trading like a sort of library service.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, perhaps there's something to alf's hope, in point of fact the criteria was very much "but can't poke the code". that you had to buy cartridges didn't even necessarily land, because evidently if you had some and your friends had some you couldn't play them all at the same time.
mircea_popescu: but then... electronic music happened and omfg.
mircea_popescu: the notion that they ALSO do butt things came as a much later discovery, and unsurprising! and not even germane. the core still remained the "wtf is this dumb shit" musical taste.
mircea_popescu: (first, and for many years ONLY meaning i had for "faggot" ie "homalau" in ro was... "actually listens to depeche mode")
mircea_popescu: the despisement such heresy enjoyed in little mp's circle was only matched by the sort of folk that'd listen to depeche mode.
asciilifeform: and i still dunget it. dafuq, box that forces you to BUY gamez!
asciilifeform: still are, as i'm told
asciilifeform: in usa they were pestilentially common
mircea_popescu: for ~everyone, only bedwetting pussies had whatever you called those non-computer gamestation things
asciilifeform: commodore stood up to comparison with e.g. nintendo.
asciilifeform: because ~manipulable~ by the kid.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:07 mircea_popescu: item knew no competitor ; "unfathomable luxury" means that it was MAGIC, outright, plain and simple and spread on bread ; not "this is the shitty thing dad makes me fuck with because he hates me"
asciilifeform: i'd like to revisit upstack http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750941 . i suspect the magic of 8bit micro can still stand . even next to crapple. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: teh ticketbuying -- works.
mircea_popescu: hey, ticket you can buy.
asciilifeform: and here i was just about ready for buying ticket!11
mircea_popescu: that thing was kinda ended / in any case ending by 1920s.
mircea_popescu: (decryption key : pregnant woman = cocksucker that didn't)
asciilifeform: maybe in that one ro province mircea_popescu wrote about, where togas
mircea_popescu: because 6yo will speak whatever the cocksucker that didn't speaks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, what's needed is what's needed ; not up to me.
mircea_popescu: item knew no competitor ; "unfathomable luxury" means that it was MAGIC, outright, plain and simple and spread on bread ; not "this is the shitty thing dad makes me fuck with because he hates me" ☟︎
asciilifeform: ain't this rather like asking latin teacher 'nao go and remake republic of rome!'
mircea_popescu: the problem is that IT WAS THE PEAK. go, re-make that, if you can.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750685 << the problem isn't finding a working one ; fuck, you can prolly MAKE one, and in less time than it takes woman to make you the kid. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i was gonna say "yeah but through masturbation not computation" but then i abstained.
asciilifeform: ( possibly seealso mircea_popescu's thread re weak cancerous meat )
mircea_popescu: i wasn't supposed to "do too much" because "ruin eyes".
mircea_popescu: i had it in the livingroom too.
asciilifeform: he had it , picture this, at home. unfathomable luxury
mircea_popescu: right. in other words : let the kid eat the fucking berries, and if it kills him fuck him ; and fuck you too so you get another one
phf: it is possible that in those situations they deemed it safer to pacify me with a video game, than to let me roam free. although the thinking was probably more a long the lines of "let this young kinder experience this thing that he won't normally, because the computer he's playing on is otherwise used to design important shit and was smuggled through border by tov. popov on his recent trip to CERN" or somesuch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can even now recall the sound.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha! and they did this dance, six cats dancing if you did really well. drove my sister up the wall
phf: mircea_popescu: i started contemplating the same thing as soon as i said it :)
mircea_popescu: incidentally mod6 : when you say #6 is it like 300 pellet load or like 200 pellet load ? apparently eu and us terminology manages to differ on one more thing