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mod6: so, to start, I dropped the vpatches, wot pub keys, and seals (sigs of vpatches) into a webirectory here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/
mod6: so asciilifeform & mircea_popescu, I added a sync mechinism for V. but wanted to discuss it a bit, not sure if it's whats really ideal or anything. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: machine can not do anything else during, if you're say making a large tarball at the same time odds are you'll cry. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 22:12:13; ascii_field: (eatblock is a locking operation)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285073 << this is a point that perhaps may pass unnoticed and trip people i think. ☝︎
phf: mircea_popescu: it's already done! afaik ben_vulpes and gernika both have a mac built using my approach
mircea_popescu: but on the subject : the only thing that matters is the value transferred. any other approach is a waste of time. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:27:23; Pierre_Rochard: sad day, could’ve been a great business…
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 20:23:18; mike_c: mircea_popescu: wot user does a live search now if user isn't found, and/or provides a handy link for the JS-handicapped among us. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/FooBar/
mircea_popescu: in other news, the pin of the association of plastic surgeons from lima, peru depicts as a logo a stylisized cunt.
mircea_popescu: it can just be published as an item, you don't even need a "connection" between the two.
mircea_popescu: this way B can send any payments its customers want, and A will idem send whatever payments its customers want, and at the end of the day the whole balance is BTC settled at the agreed upon price and that's that.
mircea_popescu: also the correct way to handle this is through some sort of repo agreement. "A agrees to receive any sums from B throughout today, Sept 25th, and remit no later than by Sept 26th, at 8:00 gmt at address so and so a sum of btc equal to : the sum of btc received ; plus the sum of X currency received divided by Vx ; plus the sum of Y currency received divided by Vy ; plus [etc]."
mircea_popescu: ("https" is not a thing. it's a flavor of usg-pki. burn it.)
mircea_popescu: if you are going to put something, put pgp. not pki, and in no case http for a stateful machine.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284827 << he has a point. the notion of putting http in there but then going "The settlement part isn’t covered by the document, for the pretty simple reason that settlement is a business matter, not a technical challenge. It would also vastly complicate everything." is pretty wild. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 14:20:54; asciilifeform: (a panel which fits on a passenger car roof - let's even assume one on the hood, as well - would be lucky to pick up 200W at high noon on a cloudless day.)
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 14:13:39; asciilifeform: if the protocol had been designed by sane people, ALL SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE SAME FORMAT regardless of for what the signature is - for a file, or for the key itself, whatever
mircea_popescu: you don't pay the credit card, you move the balance on a bigger credit card. duh.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 13:50:30; hdbuck: raspi + 3D printed case! they'll sell at least 100 of them, so that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back the VCs. i am waiting for the « toasters » tho.
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] BitBet is THE prediction market, which means it’s basically a megaphone. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/24/bitbet-is-the-prediction-market-which-means-its-basically-a-megaphone/
brg444: about bitpay, can't say they don't doesn't deserve what's happening to them :/ they're part of the reasons why we have a trove of redditard today who think everyone and their grandmother should be using BTC for retail purchases...
phf: gernika: you know if the addr db empty? if you did a connect with that node at any point, it'll have a populated address database and start connecting immediately on startup
ascii_field: (eatblock is a locking operation) ☟︎
gernika: a couple of minutes.
gernika: Right. So I made it to 368xxx and got stuck on the large block syncing from one of your nodes over the network. I then (probably) had a bad shutdown and corrupted the db. I then used eatblock to sync from what I had on disk up to that point.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu once alluded to a dirty ad-hoc implementation of this by chinese operators, where nodes had vpn links to one another
phf: where's packet dropping and delay results in a no-consequences disconnect, similar to that "no activity in first 60 seconds"
ascii_field: get a real computer somewhere ?
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 19:30:42; gernika: Friend is claiming he can do a full sync in 6-8 hours using the phoundation client (non-ssd), while it took my OpenBSD box 3 weeks using eatblock. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284966 << headers-only sync is not sync. the phoundation client is not a bitcoin implementation and hasn't been for ages. on the other hand, a box that takes 3 weeks to sync FROM EATBLOCK ON DISK has something seriously wrong with it. ☝︎
phf: misbehave is only triggered when counterparty sends malformed, but still recognisable packets, so that would be a much more noticeable attack
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285009 << trust without public key authentication of ENTIRE transmission is a waste of time !! ☝︎
phf: -connect based nodes in large avoid this problems because there's a mainloop that keeps adding same -connect supplied addresses over and over again, so even if elsewhere it's decided to drop the node, it'll be added and reconnected again on the next iteration. never the less a connect node can still be banned for misbehaving, which is something that his patch prevents from happening
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2015 15:45:26; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu (corrected) dulap still behind; i had a thought that the very possibility of this problem is an atrocious idiocy - why should an infrastructural node (so0opernoude!!!) rely on the whims of wild animals to learn latest blocks? we need the 'nobles'-never-disconnect table.
phf: to misbehave, idle however long and send data as large as they want. what's not implemented: prioritizing trusted nodes over others during node selection: you might still lose connection by natural means, in which case -addnode nodes will be dropped, and a standard node selection mechanism is used. the patch so far is here http://paste.lisp.org/display/155710. i'm thinking that ultimate vs. trusted distinction might be unnecessary. i would
Pierre_Rochard: from the public info I read, they’ll continue with a skeleton crew, could make a turnaround if there’s a bubble soon :/
BingoBoingo: Because like CoinDesk is going to have a friend in Atlanta walk by the BitPay offices to take in the rumoured slaughte
Pierre_Rochard: sad day, could’ve been a great business… ☟︎
punkman: I was hoping for a photo :(
assbot: Almost 10,000 Syrians have registered to live in a country that might not exist - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxKnH3 )
jurov: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/24/almost-10000-syrians-have-registered-to-live-in-a-country-that-might-not-exist/
mike_c: mircea_popescu: wot user does a live search now if user isn't found, and/or provides a handy link for the JS-handicapped among us. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/FooBar/ ☟︎
mike_c: kakobrekla: how do you feel about adding an Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * to w.b-a.link?
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/23/us-russia-mosque-idUSKCN0RN1UD20150923 << whether intentional or not (where 'not' seems the most dangerous case) it seems the USA has has started a number of fires near enough Russia for them to feel the heat
gernika: Friend is claiming he can do a full sync in 6-8 hours using the phoundation client (non-ssd), while it took my OpenBSD box 3 weeks using eatblock. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. ☟︎
assbot: A Skeptical Human: Can Robots Be Conscious? If So, How Could We Tell That They Are? ... ( http://bit.ly/1R3wYso )
shinohai: Makes a nice irc server :D
shinohai: not sure realy, for a playthng or hobby i guess
assbot: Give Google Contributor a try ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeLiDk )
jurov: ^ just a gateway drug of 33 pcs
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] How much is a share of S.QNTR worth? - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] A New Spin on Parimutuel Wagering - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-spin-on-parimutuel-wagering/
ascii_field: ^ 'lego' seems like an odd choice of luxury for an embezzler. it is a children's toy. little blocks that snap together. we had'em, cloned, nameless, in the su world
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] Paymium releases a remittance protocol RFC - http://fr.anco.is/2015/paymium-releases-a-remittance-protocol-rfc/
trinque: what a world
phf: hdbuck: there's a taler thread in the logs, with predictable conclusions
davout: and we had it in a drawer anyway, so might as well publish
assbot: Paymium releases a remittance protocol RFC | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxh7QF )
davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/paymium-releases-a-remittance-protocol-rfc/ <<< comments welcome
davout: shinohai: burn their hopes and dreams directly, you'll get a better yield
shinohai solves energy issues by using a steam turbine powered by tears of redditards forced to read #bitcoin-assets logs ....
asciilifeform: (a solar panel would just suffice to run the stereo...)
asciilifeform: (a panel which fits on a passenger car roof - let's even assume one on the hood, as well - would be lucky to pick up 200W at high noon on a cloudless day.) ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 08:38:06; mircea_popescu: well... they could put cells on the roof... prolly help a lot.
asciilifeform: and ideally one could specify the hash in a manner similar to bitcoin's scripts, rather than a hardcoded list of algos.
asciilifeform: if the protocol had been designed by sane people, ALL SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE SAME FORMAT regardless of for what the signature is - for a file, or for the key itself, whatever ☟︎
hdbuck: raspi + 3D printed case! they'll sell at least 100 of them, so that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back the VCs. i am waiting for the « toasters » tho. ☟︎
punkman: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2430080/ieee-2014-counterfeit-integrated-circuits-a.pdf
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284439 <-- I had a dream y'all released a stack of 10 fresh coins ☝︎
cazalla: seems to be something has changed down under over the past 25 years but i can never be sure if actually has always been this way and this 25 years bullshit is just the process of growing from a child to an adult
davout: sounds like a plan
mircea_popescu: anyway, buy her a chunk see what happens. stop keeping the poor girl in the basement of medieval scarcity culture!!1
cazalla: davout, yeah melbourne is a bit like that.. 4 seasons in one day is the saying
mircea_popescu: well... they could put cells on the roof... prolly help a lot. ☟︎
cazalla: apparently they're being installed along the hume highway which is a highway around 1000km in length which connects sydney<->melbourne as well as a bunch of rural towns together, but from what i've read, you'd have to stop every 200-250 km to recharge this car for 45m, meaning the trip takes an extra 3 hours.. keeping in mind my piece of shit car does 750km of that trip on one tank
cazalla: never seen one as in never seen a tesla irl
mircea_popescu: are you seeing 128.199.255.85 or a diff server ?
mircea_popescu: i dun think so. all it got up is a linein, img src="http://www.henley-putnam.edu/Portals/_default/Skins/henley/images/loading.gif"
mircea_popescu: and they STILL haven't got the fucking lesson of Natalie, or a first inkling about how to communicate.
mircea_popescu: lol bitpay's "free forever" nonsense lasted almost about a whole year.
mircea_popescu: im starting to inkle towards understanding what prussian school officers must have felt and thought meeting the russians "on the field" cca 1916, in the sense that if they chased fast enough they could sorta get within a hundred leagues of the revolutionary committee organised "military units" running away from the front.
mircea_popescu: buncha fucken farm hands and colored pest control professionals mistaking themselves for white men in suits, for a pinata of ridiculous the likes of which.
mircea_popescu: and of course create a ton of confusion downstream because hey, why the fuck not be as weird as Mr. W.T.F Osstrich here : http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/659f9790a30cc72738a89b2f5fa59297.jpg
mircea_popescu: ette Fiddler by betting on web 2.0 so why would any sane team with a good strategist not jump right into that toxic sludge pool!
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3m3zfu/why_is_cppethereum_now_calling_their_projects/ << ethereum derps wanna misrepresent themselves as "Web 3.0", because yeah, totally, that's something you wanna be after the shocking failure of web 2.0 and the trail of black eyes it left behind. o reilly turned a publishing powerhouse into a vanity press stuck churning the memoirs of ex boxers, Derp-on Derpopo-lous and Br
assbot: So You Want to Buy a Mule? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7Btn1 )
mircea_popescu: more like buying a mule.
cazalla: i imagine that is like buying a car mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in other nyooz, 73 connexions on zoolag, 41 - on bucephalus. << i see 64. not really a big deal there.
mircea_popescu: i mean, a blob i can see, for whatever crazy purposes. but an actual fucking picture ? with like a dog and a dumbass hat too ? shoot the fucker.
mircea_popescu: shoot anyone who ever put a fucking pic in their god damned comment field.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' << absolutely. i have no fucking idea what chickenbrain thought that's a thing. "o hey, you know what this chevy is made out of ? chevys! because they didn;'t get me that lego set when i was nine and now im fucked in the head." ☟︎
mike_c: yeah.. that's a good one
brg444: "The government implemented a system in which you are given only one day of the week to be able to buy and this is decided according to your ID number."
brg444: just did, do I get voiced down automatically after a certain time?
asciilifeform: (not only in the added complexity of a zlib decoder, but in the fact that a message's actual length remains unknown until your start shitting it out)
asciilifeform: yes, there is a 'do i want zlib' flag in pubkey, but EVERYONE here has it set.
brg444: mircea_popescu: funny you mention iCEBREAKER, was just having a chat with him the other day as he was inquiring about b-a thinking I was already in seeing as regularly quote content from trilema/logs. will let him know about your "interest".
asciilifeform: ought to be able to include any subset of a pubmod with a signature or ciphertext - up to all of it, if i want.