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mircea_popescu: and i know this can be done because it's how fucking viruses work. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and the only time i hear of any peep from the entire shebang is when one of them has gone over and i need to come in here and start with the !rate -10
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's what i want to accomplish, as a goal : i want to be able to put up a linux system, then go curl http://trilema.com/autobitcoin.sh | gpg -verify > autobitcoin.sh. and then run that autobitcoin.sh, which auto-follows the changes of people i have selected for this task, builds them and runs them ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once thought about placing antecedent hashes in patch headers ☟︎
jurov: i see it as minor change. majur obstacle is how to sanely track stuff who released, who signed
asciilifeform: as in, can i download whole thing and attribute every delta to a wot person ?
mircea_popescu: in practice, it'd prolly be more practical to transition deedbot and its site to this job i think
jurov: i use dokuwiki for some stuff, too. and it can be authed only once per seesion like assbot
mircea_popescu: last i heard it was os php
asciilifeform: well, one reason why possibly not is that i suspect that the ml is as quiet as it is because signing things is arduous
asciilifeform: something i've been loathe to suggest because guess to whom the chore will fall
asciilifeform: won't blame people, but will say that the state of the ecosystem (i.e. what folks are building on) is in such a sad state that the only plausible solution is os standardization
mircea_popescu: and the last we heard of davout he was told exactly the same, and for all i know he's fallen in there never to be heard from again
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you dollars to anything that the reason you don't get deluged in that is simply that moist folks are too interdicted by the task to even attempt, soi we don't hear about 99% of compat issues
jurov: but srs, i have asked for patches context, was sent to go scour the log for it
asciilifeform: it is a problem. but i must point out that most of the troubles folks have spoken of so far do not stem from it. e.g., trinque et al with their misbehaving systems.
mircea_popescu: i swear this is a problem that's structural and should be solved, rather than just pushed against.
asciilifeform: i will add that a while ago i pictured myself in the predicament of folks trying to assemble the thing. which is why i included an unofficial flattened source with 'stator'
mircea_popescu: i don't even fully understand wtf hole we're filing. tho i think i understand a lot better right now than 3 hours ago.
mircea_popescu: i do not, no.
asciilifeform: and i say that no work of man needs 1`677`321 changes.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i never objected to folks using 'git', 'mercurial', etc. - only to the notion that <
mircea_popescu: looky here : i am a magical witch doctor that can spot where cancer starts.
asciilifeform: aaaaand this is when i decide that the thing has brain cancer.
asciilifeform: i'd read them.
asciilifeform: i never objected to folks using 'git', 'mercurial', etc. - only to the notion that anything that can't come out of a printer and then ocr'd back in could be the canonical representation of the path from pedigreed 0.5.3 to us
asciilifeform: i did offer to help. what do i have to do, get on a plane with chalkboard in bag ?
mircea_popescu: where do i ping it
asciilifeform: i just don't see it, really
asciilifeform: what can i say, go get more of me somewhere
mircea_popescu: i am perfectly aware that a fine answer to both these is "just grow a beard", which is to say, "know", knight style, just "what is going on" so that you can reboot the machine into a working state. and "know", mp style, just whop the moles are.
mircea_popescu: i suspect we might be belabouring under the burdens imposed by a design problem which ultimately stems from conceptual confusion.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225197 << honestly thinking about it i dun see any way to avoid involving deeds in here. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 04:19:01; ben_vulpes: all i ever heard was "git=invitation for tard collaborators"
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 04:14:15; ben_vulpes: i can just imagine the arguments
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 04:12:14; ben_vulpes: from experience i know that the more difficult it is to test the software, the less likely anyone is to actually do so.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 04:10:05; BingoBoingo: Most intimidating part of current realbitcoin is where the fuck do I submit a diff from?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225116 << i can see this as pretty legitimate. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: But first I gotta chop on my bitcoin first
BingoBoingo: I jsut need to find a way to build it without Nvidia cg toolkit. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: It was around then though that I realized that no amount of 1 on 1 coaching directed at unknowns could have the same impact MP had when he declared Max Keiser was a doody head.
shinohai: I had such enthusiasm for Eulora, I may take a fresh look at it when I have good drugs.
BingoBoingo: It was an inflection point. I mean back then Eulora was jsut a jizzlet in MP's balls
BingoBoingo: I was trying to save precious n00bs on his site, and he fuck it. So I hate.
shinohai: Same. I hold grudges for way too long.
BingoBoingo: People really underestimate how long I can keep my hate fresh
BingoBoingo: I spent time on his coinshat thing tying to tell n00bs to not be such n00bs. Fat lot of good it did.
shinohai: I never used inputs.io though. The whole thing of not owning your keys seemed silly to me.
shinohai: Yeah it appears he got sloppy or just didn't care. I bought btc from him several times despite the war between him and TradeFortress.
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> I guess you are fortunate no electronic items were seized, etc. << I'd already met alf here. For all they know everything has the thermite.
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> I used to do the same thing with some guy from bitcointalk, moneypaktrader << iirc he made it rahter clear he was shady. BTcPak had a .com site and everything I needed to believe in it at the time.
punkman: I'd sue them
shinohai: I guess you are fortunate no electronic items were seized, etc.
shinohai: I used to do the same thing with some guy from bitcointalk, moneypaktrader
BingoBoingo: The exact service they asked me about was the late BTCPak operated by DBordello. All I knew was I used it and it worked.
BingoBoingo: It was hot, I didn't let them in so we had a pow wow on the front lawn until they quit.
BingoBoingo: Well it was one FBI agent and one Treasury agent. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ I still have the Treasury agent's card. FBI fucker never offered his.
shinohai: You had the FBI? You got more rep than me. I only had FCC come to make me take down my super yagi.
BingoBoingo: I've already had the FBI at my front door. I'd just like to become the sort of #b-a dragon who can embrace axe time
BingoBoingo: I just hope one day to become.
shinohai: I need a good virtual job, that reddit shit that pays $5 in btc is pointless.
shinohai: In the real world I have to use Windows
shinohai: Disability pension from an accident. Doc declared me unfit for duty so I'm not complaining.
BingoBoingo: Shhh, i'm using that line.
shinohai: Don't feel bad, I haven't worked at a fiat job in 6 years now.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Customer service at a regional univeristy. Nothing glamorous, but given how long as it has been since I was last fiat employable.
shinohai: What sort of job is it BingoBoingo, may i ask/
shinohai: I'd like to have easy to buy coins that don't require writing my autobiography to obtain.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I might have the rare opportunity to interview for a fiat job. If I get it I want a part of this window to get cheap coins.
BingoBoingo wonders if Byrne/Swanson et al ever wander here and see the hate I spew for far smaller problems and wonder... What if Bingo isn't just an MP sock puppet that emerges under the influence of coke?
punkman: I remember some discussion about how much the thing would weight
BingoBoingo: Well, maybe not entirely. I may keep cwm over dwm
BingoBoingo: I mean if http://epmonthly.com/article/you-re-suing-me-for-what/ isn't parody
BingoBoingo: I might not remember why in the morning I decided tonight would be the night to file this, but I left myself copious notes.
BingoBoingo: Also if anyone with a bunch of power words (danielpbarron) can identify either on any relevant Bitcoin related WoT I would appreciate a heads up.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: instructions rot, are dependent on fallible humans. i write scripts. << And then shell changes
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> ... << how long? my maxint_locks build appears to be chewing on this one, but i cannot actually tell. << I remember more than a minute, but only resorted to spring powered time after already waiting
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i carefully summarized the antecedents to 'stator' for hanbot (see log) << stator, rotor work to build a bitcoind on the "mint" ubuntu-like. Don't remember installing more dev tools after g++ for stator
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I watched a guy drink himself to death because you know, unix wasn't everything-is-a-table << What. People don't die of drink anymoar because it feels good man?
ben_vulpes: i have no answers, only this hill to watch.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: yes, and that ought to be in every release << and this raises another question, shall mod6 and i now switch our build process to involve the rotor assemblage?
decimation: I wonder if wrapping in auto_ptr would help
asciilifeform: i explained this earlier
asciilifeform: (i somehow forgot this feature even existed in sh)
asciilifeform: if i knew of one - would say what it is, promise.
asciilifeform: decimation: this is also why i keep boxes going 24/7, logging
trinque: asciilifeform: I've read *far* more logs than that
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: instructions rot, are dependent on fallible humans. i write scripts.
trinque: that's what I as a newb trying to wade in wanted to know
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220389 << how long? my maxint_locks build appears to be chewing on this one, but i cannot actually tell. ☝︎
decimation: folks can, I've done anyway
decimation: and there is no tool (as far as I know) that automates this task
decimation: maybe I can't distinguish between boost and stl
ben_vulpes: note that i haven't.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: don't hesitate to publicly gripe if i omitted a step in cookbook, etc
ben_vulpes: in the meantime, know that these few hours per day *i* do have might be put to better use than derping of dirs.
ben_vulpes: i'll save my "eedjit points" for when i actually cannot resolve things myself.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm tuned in for what, 12-14 h/day? write in
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: make use of the fact that i am yet alive! post errorz, logs
ben_vulpes: now is when i admit that i've yet to successfully compile bitcoin with rotor