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ave1: diana_coman, thanks! yes I see and I did forget
diana_coman: ave1, you forgot to change manifest file for your zfp_4_assert.vpatch? (i.e. it's missing from the list in manifest)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856041 << me (&chet) stopped overnight into one such item, on the mexico-guatemala border. endless halls of clean but modest beds, dozen or so to the room. place could've prolly quartered a whole regiment, but not the right agricultural moment so we were alone in the whole thing. it was pretty eerie anyways.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 03:22 mircea_popescu: diana_coman is that getting a patch or what ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 03:31 mircea_popescu: (and, amusingly enough, the founding donation was a whole of a lot less than 10 bitcoin, also.)
asciilifeform: it's a q for the current board. i suggested to ask hanbot because hanbot is known as a very skilled organizational hand, and not currently running anyffing ( aside from, possibly, mircea_popescu's janissary corps ) ☟︎
hanbot: mircea_popescu i grasp principle of something > nothing, but i'd hate to lose sight of the spirit in which tbf was founded for the sake of notoriety/sticking power alone. i'd think this is obvious and i'm by now belaboring the point...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could've sworn we had the 'infect with trb' thread ..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what'd that do, exactly ? give moar derps behind nat with ~useless noad?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is that getting a patch or what ? ☟︎
mod6: It seems like the BTC-Dev mailing list is still not working properly. I have posted the September State of Bitcoin Address to my own site in the mean time: http://www.mod6.net/2018/October/1/btcf_address_201809.txt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what was the orig logic
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 21:22 mircea_popescu: "i didn't really pay for this book" is symmetrical with "amazon stole the item i bought out of my '''shelf'''", provided you use pantsuit definitions of the terms. since when the fuck is random usg asignee getting "paid" for shit some unrelated third party meanwhile deceased did ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:46 mircea_popescu: can't see the former as anything but "i stupidly gave my data away to some schmuckfarm which now owns me", but then again i don't solobike nor have any interest in navigating-by-map, either i know where i'm going or i'm exploring. but anyways, we don't have to copy each other.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855943 << they are exceptionally good at a) misdirecting it and b) alloying it with just enough shit to make it shiteutectic.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856140 << while i get mircea_popescu's angle of 'linus quisling, was always quisling then' , imho moar complicated, d00d did keep systemdism etc out of the kernel for 20yrs, somehow. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:14 BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456319930-yumbo-max-110cc-autom-_JM << Backbone of the local delivery fleets here
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:10 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-30#436976 << absent the fence, coulda been done vastly more quickly.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:44 mircea_popescu: Mocky he means that he's too loose and fat to be able to take off for qatar on any budget he can conceive of.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 18:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851082 << speaking of, i took off the 6am disconnect thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 15:19 Mocky: asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 18:06 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random lulz, https://image.ibb.co/mXNyEK/lulz.png
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:18 mircea_popescu: this is an important fucking point -- IF, and that is a humongously immense IF, we do not actually burn everyone down, that everyone gotta pay. and pay well.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes snapped a pic of a real lulzy one during his trip here
BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-454533524-moto-yumbo-gs-125-cc-iv-mercado-pago-12-cuotas-_JM << "Sporty" alternative
BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456319930-yumbo-max-110cc-autom-_JM << Backbone of the local delivery fleets here ☟︎
BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456650588-yumbo-cargo-_JM << Typical commercial vehicle here
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am thinking even if I only part with a pair every couple months, that would still be habitacion module power bill paid. Or if they don't sell I'll still have my gringo eyes protected.
mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:46 asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855891 << that was easy, he all but snapped himself.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> haha, start export bidniss!!1 << Not out of the question
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I plan to photograph and review it on the blog. I have a suspicion it is constructed in a way that would make it far more popular in its homeland than in this frontier it has adapted to.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:13 asciilifeform: with substantial help of mircea_popescu , mod6
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855766 << and ben_vulpes and lotta people. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 18:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855879 << for the record, i think it's a uniquely stupid (to the degree of, http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ level stupid) to attempt to "mp oneself" off community chests. it is the saddest, most vulnerable derpitude, and it produces http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ 's not mps.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> meanwhile in random lulz, https://image.ibb.co/mXNyEK/lulz.png << WTF is an evolving?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:37 asciilifeform: trinque: tru. but nobody's about to become mircea_popescu off what's in the tbf piggy as we know it..
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 20:34 asciilifeform: ( and e.g. mircea_popescu unsheaths ~erry day, and i dun recall him finding it headache )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: not particularly urgent experiment, i dun expect we'll do anyffing constructive with the output until after regrinds etc
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's at least 2 in there
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855579 >> http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/9_30_ProcessBlock.txt << thus far . ☝︎
Mocky: asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off. ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you find it in the l0gz, plox to link
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there was a site (nao dead! incidentally.) with didactic/trivial pieces
asciilifeform: diana_coman: interestingly, just about my entire collection of vintage ada, with the exception of that little serpent thing, qualifies for this museum.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: thing is eminently fit for 'museum of sad ada'
asciilifeform: diana_coman : http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/27/tester-for-udp-communications/comment-page-1/#comment-4249
asciilifeform: ohai diana_coman et al
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're yours for so long as pig corralled.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:06 ben_vulpes: is there some fetlife for nerds funnel under optimization?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:45 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if heathendom drifts far enuff into prbism, as things are currently we're blockless
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:46 asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:24 ben_vulpes: not surfacing every single person capable of operating a v for subsequent filtering of whether or not they are ready to convert also yields.
asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj ) ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: tru. but nobody's about to become mircea_popescu off what's in the tbf piggy as we know it.. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:14 mircea_popescu: i suppose in a sense it's very much a question come to fore, "wtf is foundation actually expected to do". i know for myself it very much is expected to not do anything like hinder keccak adoption, but this seems both a small and a remote point.
asciilifeform: trinque: as mircea_popescu observed earlier, if we succumb to logic of 'word taint' we'll quickly turn into the speed of light people
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun propose to 'help' heathens somehow against will. but imho anyffig that in any way makes trb noad harder to stand up than strictly must -- yields terrain to enemy.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:16 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the seed funding it provided for pizarro for instance seems a very legitimate approach, "if your project has merit you get a little bit from foundation, helps other people commit." this works well in pantsuitlands too, but i suspect because it;s sound objectively.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the seed funding it provided for pizarro for instance seems a very legitimate approach, "if your project has merit you get a little bit from foundation, helps other people commit." this works well in pantsuitlands too, but i suspect because it;s sound objectively. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:03 ben_vulpes: for that reason, largely only spending cash on hosting services. recently also a few hardware nodes. it creates work for mod6 in the vein of the monthly reports. perhaps a nutty suggestion, but it could cleanly be wound down (the charter modified), and mod6 to continue the monthly reports on his blog.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:04 ben_vulpes: it also carves off an unsightly imho pantsuit wart upon the side of the republic, a "non-profit organization" with names and caftans etc.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as for 'premium' noad access, recall how the mircea_popescu 'trbi' thread was born. ( classical btc offers no sweet pill for how to reward node operators. any attempt to charge for 'gets mined faster' inevitably reduces to a game the miners can themselves win, cutting out middlemen )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:01 ben_vulpes: by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i see no gain from putting any obstacle in front of anyone, heathen, chinese, martian, good, evil, who wants to run trb .
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's already pretty much as 'gated' as anyhing gets, already to build it heathen must just about change religions
asciilifeform: can't replace the thing with 'republic only' trbi , not without some yet-unfathomed breakthrough, or, idk, if mircea_popescu takes over brazil, or, whoknows, catastrophic chernobyl that fully demolishes the classical btc net
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm genuinely curious if i'm missing something subtle .
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'ecological' problem.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if heathendom drifts far enuff into prbism, as things are currently we're blockless ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:01 ben_vulpes: by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
asciilifeform: otoh whether to work it is entirely board's, i.e. mod6 & ben_vulpes decision, not mine, i am not on tbf board
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: imho there is nuffin pantsuit at all about it, and it worked a+++ for entire 4y it's been around.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 19:24 mircea_popescu: trinque is this something you'd be interested in doing ? expand deedbot thusly, maybe charge chans a fee ?
asciilifeform: so possibly ought to be starting point, and if need clarification, to then ask mod6 / ben_vulpes .
trinque: would like ben_vulpes to chime in here too.
asciilifeform: with substantial help of mircea_popescu , mod6 ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: birth of trb was 100% powered by 'muscle-powered v' of gpg-signed patches, recall.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho thing's quite key to the practicality of errything else we do.
mircea_popescu: are you practically solo chair these days or do you hold meetings with ben_vulpes and so on ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: not at all. I'm proud to do the work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: currently not clear to me how there'd be less work if trb were 'mod6 proj' instaed of 'foundation'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu : pretty much erry worthwhile thing can be rewritten as 'permanent burn' of ~somebody~
asciilifeform: iirc we did the 'civilized' thing where chair is 1 d00d, treasurer -- another, there's at least a nominal procedure for handover, etc , mircea_popescu suggested it and asciilifeform et al saw it as Right Thing
asciilifeform: and yes i'd luvv as much as errybody else if a battallion of civilized folx were to materialize out of somewhere and donate, or even run nodes. but they are evidently scarce, mircea_popescu beat the subject of 'sane people ~extinct' just about todeath
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:40 mircea_popescu: it is exactly what it was in its first week, a nomina nuda, bare name, with no more life to it acquired meanwhile than what it starded with. a flying brick.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:40 mircea_popescu: nevermind the pissing off, that's not the issue. this foundation item, it got a nest egg from me, and some more donations from other people back in the day. it didn't manage to turn these into either a growing stream of more donations or a growing stream of activity.
asciilifeform: without mircea_popescu's occasional bout of 'wtf, people, from where do you hands grow' we'dve sunk long ago imho
asciilifeform: i dun blame mircea_popescu for pissy, current state of affairs is bad for blood pressure unequivocably
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i disagree, btw, that 'epsilon', march-current is when the aggression thing was deployed & tested to exhaustion, and gave proper ~realtime block propagation for 1st time since trb birth
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:31 mircea_popescu: i'd much prefer not to see a flood of sha patches seeing how http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851879 had to exist because "apparently not aware".
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:32 mircea_popescu: considering the rate of new work on trb approximates epsilon for the march-september interval, it seems to me entirely bullshit, this manufactured problem of "oh, we have no way to contribute because no working keccak".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855663 << i'ma hold off on further patches, even experimentals, until regrind, if mircea_popescu says 'hold' ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r0Xxq/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:17 trinque: asciilifeform: what do you have for curl 'http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20180923/mod6_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch?sha1=9abdb060135507152b9a5c7c3b8b98966266c5bd'
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 00:27 mircea_popescu: does the thing have salespeople / funnel up yet ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:47 mircea_popescu: but anyway : NO NEW WORK ON SHA PLOX. USE KECCAK.