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mircea_popescu: the hole people continue to give mp-wp
a bad name i see.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 15:22 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902438 << just like the other idiots. consider : if usg dissolved itself in 2001 instead of pretending to
a "war" of imagination, people would have ~regretted~ it. but as it stubbornly carried on for another 20 years, it's just as heavily hated at the top as conceivable, and in another decade they'll be shot in the street retributively, for having been part of it at all.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 15:30 mircea_popescu: what's he gonna do, kneel
a country ?
a111: Logged on 2014-03-21 17:44 asciilifeform:
a videoclip of
a fairy tale coming true... ...they [americans] also wish to drive around in jeeps, accompanied by squadrons of hotties in berets with kalashnikovs - but are impotent from birth. Envy, taken with an understanding of one's own powerless... easily transforms into hatred. The leaders of the sanitarium are easier for the 'patient' to understand, closer. He sees their permissible pecadillos, and is pl
a111: Logged on 2014-06-15 02:28 asciilifeform: 'the Western blok... preferred to view the Eastern European nations as victims of Soviet aggression, ignoring the simple and manly fact (that would have been instantly understood by
a Roman) that Soviet legions, without anyone's help, took possession of Eastern Europe via force of arms, answering aggression with aggression. And the Roman would an absurdity - he could not comprehend, in the name of what so-called
mircea_popescu: part and parcel of the problem is that ~the very basis and fundament~ of
a "
representative system" is that THERE IS NO ONE THERE TO TALK TO. all the fucktarded jwzs long opted out, WHO you gonna explain what to and HOW ? in what terms ? in what words ?
diana_coman: I suspect it's simply because most people don't actually have
a "something else" ; hence shooting is at the end correct too since it's the only real quite.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902438 << just like the other idiots. consider : if usg dissolved itself in 2001 instead of pretending to
a "war" of imagination, people would have ~regretted~ it. but as it stubbornly carried on for another 20 years, it's just as heavily hated at the top as conceivable, and in another decade they'll be shot in the street retributively, for having been part of it at all.
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: but, to add the one important bit : discussing communism is imo
a red herring, and ESPECIALLY so if part of the other-socialism's sepia ink, "oh, how bad warsaw pact socialism was
little girl, aren't you glad you live in best possible socialism that's not like that at all [in any parts you're li
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902434 << the fundamental problem with measuring anything is that either you pick good measurements (in which case -- you want good samples, in which case -- bottom always wins) or else you pick good results (in which case, discussion can continue endlessly as to ~what it is they mean~. there's no clear meaning to results, howsoever good they may be, absent
a good measurement).
☝︎ mircea_popescu: (though adlai is commonly used here as the poster child for
a perhaps spreading novel disease, where they manage to apparently convince themselves they do like, somehow.)
mircea_popescu: it's
a complex problem, though. the naive : "the difference between idiots and thinkers is that thinkers may opt to idiocy, but idiots may not opt to thinking", generally offered in disputes around "copyright" and other packaging of the grander theme of "ownership of ideal objects", nevertheless runs into the problem that thinkers DO NOT LIKE opting for idiocy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can live with telling people "raise your stack limit for your file is large" ; i have
a lot more trouble sleeping at night if i tell people "raise your stack limit for some idiots made
a broken spec we did not fix."
mircea_popescu: diana_coman well, it IS preferable to the alternative. certainly not swell, no, but who the hell can carry
a conversation on communism in terms of swellness.
diana_coman: ftr I can easily get behind the observation that the difference of opinion here might simply stem from the fact that I wasn't at
a the top in communism - no, I wasn't; and I wouldn't have made it to any top either precisely because of too much thinking.
diana_coman: thing is the "afraid of thinking people" directly translates into "thinking people get killed for *being thinking people*" and if you and asciilifeform say that that's swell and preferable to the alternative then ok; the way I see it, it's
a recipe for disaster; which gets round back precisely to the "talking to the pigs" since there isn't anyone left
mircea_popescu: as it's unclear from the logs whether phf actually has done this and not published it yet or not done it at all, diana_coman will release
a third keccak, that should resolve both the above problem and the "everything is 8x because NIST idiots" thing blowing up vdiff's stack, hopefully later this week.
mircea_popescu: making sure this latter case never happens requires
a little bit of needlework. the original implementations tried to keep close to the original spec, for basically naive and unexamined
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883944 reasons. as it turns out, this was the wrong cut.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: the problem is this : as keccak is ineptly specced (by Bertoni & all), it uses amixedly both lsb and msb conventions, meaning that
a bitstream of uneven octetness like "10110" can ~in principle~ end up padded into either the harmless "00010110" or the potentially harmful "10110000".
spyked: diana_coman, I suspect this was mostly
a case of "revision is well-received, but don't change anything"; which is why iliescu/fsn had so much support and average derp saw the taranisti as "way too mean" (no idea precisely what "mean" means, that's what I've been told)
☟︎☟︎ diana_coman: re 1990 I recall euphoria followed by
a very cool shower on seeing same old faces (fsn) ; and then the 90s were the time of
a big wave of running for canada iirc
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 23:57 mircea_popescu: even though economy had ~died, the 70s east cultural clock still synchronized
a lot closer to reality than the 70s west cultural clock.
BingoBoingo: Sure they will all find
a way to get captured
trinque: afaik the derp's talking about UBI, not
a one-shot payment
mod6: Got
a ratbox setup, gonna need to do some testing
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:39 asciilifeform: ( who even into '70s persisted in
a belief that there's 'amazing su tech' worth fishing out of e.g. sunken su sub , with howard hughes' mega-boat )
mircea_popescu: there's
a ready stream of distractions available to distract thre willing from the much plainer and closer to nose fact that we'll go to bottom of the sea if we don't, eg, manage to get pizarro going properly. etc.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 23:32 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902010 << fucking precisely. watching #trilema from
a distance, with imbecile "skepticism" is not
a free option. should it fail, there goes computing, and generally speaking this is the one chance this century.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 23:28 mircea_popescu: eg, s.nsa is more of
a factory, in objective terms, than tractorul brasov ever was or could have been. it's what it is, these days "factory" is complex item.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 22:59 diana_coman: quite; there was
a bit of an anger moment when I realised that in school they never even *mentioned* those writings of Caragiale, let alone study them
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 22:27 mircea_popescu: or
a hruscheba, or w/e the fuck they call it. makes entirely no difference, for the vast majority of the population of romania at the time had never lived in paved dwellings.
mircea_popescu: india can't start mpex production in
a millenium, though. and even simpler things -- notice how much fucking work all sorta things we do take us.
mircea_popescu: nah. i could start steel production in
a week, if need be.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 00:07 mircea_popescu: so could briefly pretend like every sheffield weaver's
a sorta miniprince, on well hidden coolie labour with serials filed off.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:27 asciilifeform: as for the old shoemaker, admittedly i never wore
a crown, but afaik folx who wear crowns do not have the option of saying 'we lost options'. sorta like the
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663960 thing.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902039 << this was widely admired, whole "third way" 80s wank. i find the proposition dubious, in the sense that it strictly depends on the yugo ~people~ being
a certain kind. just the right mix of crazy and dedicated. worked out terribly in 94 too.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: so could briefly pretend like every sheffield weaver's
a sorta miniprince, on well hidden coolie labour with serials filed off.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is not communism ? why, because islander fucktards gotta call everything by
a "new" name ?
mircea_popescu: ie, "land is no longer this thing the noble owns as his thing to own. land is now
a sort of community chest, that the state owns, and maybe noble continues as its steward
a while"
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 22:46 mircea_popescu: incidentally alf, ludwig 2 of bavaria is
a fine example re this wot. one day decided to ditch his cabinet -- the cabinet decided it'd better ditch him first!!!
mircea_popescu: in the end, there's two major functions of leadership in human society. one is
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880251 (generally called "economy") and the other is, synchronization, as in, selection of schelling points. this is usualyl called culture, but it's
a large thing, including tropes and all sorta manner of thing.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: even though economy had ~died, the 70s east cultural clock still synchronized
a lot closer to reality than the 70s west cultural clock.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: diana_coman newton -> einstein is precisely changing
a set of lies for
a better set of lies. world dun work as physics says, nor ever did. however -- better lies work better.
mircea_popescu: he is ~absolutely correct~, too. the actual fuel, for communism's efficiency and persuasion, was precisely the reservoir he identifies : ". Și cîți aliați devotați n'ar găsii în captivii de cari pomenim mai sus, sătui de
a-și călca mereu pe cuget și pe inimă, de
a-și jertfi zilnic, pe altarul minciunii și inichității, convingerile lor adînci, dragostea de adevăr și de patrie !." is ===
http://trilema.com/20 diana_coman: changing one set of lies for another set of lies; better lies! granted, everything is just
a better lie until finding an even better one.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the history of the "free world" closely approximates the history of
a bunch of morons. because guess what -- they ARE
a bunch of morons.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:06 asciilifeform: so you try an' make
a 'new'. and pray that it worx, before '
a bunch of foreigners land on your shores, buy up some local chiefs, chop down your forests, rip the minerals out of your soil, enslave
a few generations, and eventually go home, leaving their bastards in charge'
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 17:02 mircea_popescu: consider the traditional antisemitism --
a cluster of lumphocytes around
a very real problem, yes, but SUBJECTIVE PROBLEM OF THE JEWS. not irritating "the organism" as such in any sense, beyond the very obvious an' deeply human "you folk can't be this fucking stupid!"
thing mircea_popescu: eg, s.nsa is more of
a factory, in objective terms, than tractorul brasov ever was or could have been. it's what it is, these days "factory" is complex item.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: that communism was untenable by the time 80s rolled around is
a historical fact ; but kingdom romania was actually ~more~ bankrupt, as an intellectual endeavour, than communism ever got.
mircea_popescu: y "prior". the whole thing was
a bunch of inept by-hand farmers (CENTURIES after the french peasant had domestique-industrialize already! CEEENTURIES!!!!) and
a 14% class literally dreaming on top of them, while "hating" the boss that "makes them" do the makework that existed ENTIRELY as
a pretext to pay them, in the very "internal paint" hope they might achieve something sometime somehow (all unspecified).
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:56 diana_coman: to my mind that's precisely the thing: it's not (or not only) that "screaming meat" but the fact that at the end of it, it's only
a replacement with what is in fact an inferior, not
a superior thing
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:55 BingoBoingo: Don't forget the unbutchered labor activists in the Southern Cone who will consider shuttering
a Ford factory "
a win for the people"
mircea_popescu: the universal problem, in the end : there's
a difference between what you want and what you need.
mircea_popescu: i ran into
a lotta these, you know, idle workers who couldn't work because basescu didn't let them.
mircea_popescu: not even
a matter of upset or not upset, just, "order this set"
mircea_popescu: in any case, to briefly revisit : ceausescu's designs with his oil gains, while ultimately crowned by failure, were nevertheless
A LOT smarter than period venezuela's commitments. and certainly way the fuck better than qatar building another mall today.
diana_coman: quite; there was
a bit of an anger moment when I realised that in school they never even *mentioned* those writings of Caragiale, let alone study them
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yeah. and yes, his words for the opposition would have been "partidul collectivist". what c
a rosetti & co were pushing is entirely indistinct from today's pantsuitism, in all its particulars.
diana_coman: yes! I had
a blast and many chuckles re-reading Caragiale
mircea_popescu: very different sports. there's
a reason communisms produce ballerinas.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 22:40 mircea_popescu: but there's two lines of pedestrian ceausescu-hate that carry no water. one is, "he is responsible for drought". dood is not
a 12yo girl dancing naked in the street, has no peculiar relationship to rain. the other is that he was particularly stupid. was not -- way the fuck smarter than period writers, or generally "intellectuals". less aware of the ample thesaurus of borrowed knowledge they used to drop in conversation as
a s
mircea_popescu: incidentally alf, ludwig 2 of bavaria is
a fine example re this wot. one day decided to ditch his cabinet -- the cabinet decided it'd better ditch him first!!!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: notwithstanding ceausescu watched tv for his own interest, at least, which is
a step above the nigglet.
mircea_popescu: or, horrible dictu, how it mars obama as
a moron with no culture.
diana_coman: if anything, casa poporului at least is basically to this day
a ...monument if nothing else
diana_coman: I didn't even realise casa poporului was such
a reference point in this sense; i.e. ugly well, it's typical era-style, what
mircea_popescu: the typical "oh, casa poporului is so ugly" item goes right in #2 above : it's
a code, exactly like
any other code. it's function is to permit the sort of moron who is affraid of the world to recognize who's likely to huddle with him.
mircea_popescu: ort of handshake, but imo this is defensible disinterest. you wouldn't say
a kid "learns nothing in school" because he doesn't come home with the list of what grunge bands to listen to for maximum cooldom.
mircea_popescu: but there's two lines of pedestrian ceausescu-hate that carry no water. one is, "he is responsible for drought". dood is not
a 12yo girl dancing naked in the street, has no peculiar relationship to rain. the other is that he was particularly stupid. was not -- way the fuck smarter than period writers, or generally "intellectuals". less aware of the ample thesaurus of borrowed knowledge they used to drop in conversation as
a s
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