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mod6: I'll stop working on all other
things, and dig into
this. Will advise as I have more
to say.
mod6: I don't have a fix ready or anything of
the kind, in fact,
this could be
the nail in
the coffin for my v.
esthlos: there is a collection X of diffs, a collection Y of detatched signatures of
those diffs, and a collection Z of pubkeys corresponding
to
those patches
mod6: So in
this case, it is a problem, because you may not want
to press 'eucrypt_mpi_fix_copy_incr.vpatch' leaf when pressing
to only ch2.
mod6: s it comes earlier in
the flow.
mod6: Initial findings after digging into it here quickly, my V seems
to have
the leaves in a separate flow order
than from Stan's (v99). Which, by itself, (as we've discussed before) isn't a problem per-se. It seems
though
that in
the case here where
the leaves are ordered differently, and you press (with my v (99994)) up
through 'ch2_truerandom.vpatch', it also includes
the 'eucrypt_mpi_fix_copy_incr.vpatch' a
esthlos: i'm
trying
to implement V, without reading
too much source (as asciilifeform suggested), so how is
this so far:
phf: obviously, i didn't realize
that
the stake
took
this particular shape in
this case
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, I plan precisely a unifier;
that makes
total sense
to me, see above where I already said I consider v99 behaviour as correct
mod6: i'll
take a look and see what your
thing is doing later. will report back.
mod6: yeah, it's not good
though. literally everytime someone uses it,
there seems
to be some sort of ... 'it doesn't work'
diana_coman: fwiw mod6 I'm rather happy you wrote it
though, as it helped me a lot in
the beginning when I was
trying
to get my head around v itself; having at least 2 implementations
to compare is not a bad
thing
diana_coman: mod6, no rush at all; I just reported it because unexpected
to me; let me know if
there is any other info I can provide
to help
mod6: i simply curse
the day
that i ever wrote
the
thing
☟︎ mod6: i'll have
to
take a look a bit later here diana_coman
diana_coman: ch2 vpatch is *another* leaf, sibling of
this vpatch
diana_coman: it seems I also found a difference in press behaviour between asciilifeform's v99 and mod6's v:
this new vpatch of mine si correctly identified as leaf and otherwise descendant of ch1_mpi.vpatch by both v ; however, when pressing ch2 vpatch, mod6's v presses
this other leaf
too from what I see, while asciilifeform's v99 does not press it;
to me v99's behaviour seems correct but I don't know if
this is something
that was discussed before
shinohai is
thoroughly enjoying
these new pieces on
the BingoBoingo blog ....
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 18:42 mircea_popescu: rooster sees hen and runs
towards her. hen reflexively starts running away. after a short space
the hen
thinks "if i stop he'll
think me a slut, if i keep running he'll
think me stupid... how about i stumble."
phf: well, i have an intuitive understanding of what's going on now, i just need
to work
through calca. i've also simultaneously understood why lapack is so valuable. and yes, i see how
that
ties
to lagrange's mechanics.
phf: i have
to admit, my math is so weak, it's reading
these papers i realized
that Proper Engineering actually uses something called state-space representation for discretizing dynamic systems, and
that behaviors of, say, robotic manipulators, have
time independent, closed form solutions. also of explains
that scene from anathem, at
the workshop
phf: there's a separate differential geometry package for non-linear dynamic systems in macsyma, likewise does analysis in macsyma, and
then spits out fortran 77 code
phf: like
there's a paper on a multibody simulation system "implemented in zeta-lisp on symbolics 3600" with symbolic part done in macsyma, but
the "numeric simulator" is implemented in fortran-77 running on a lisp machine
phf: teractive environment is basically
there
to parametrize, and
then it spits out a fortran code
that crunches
the numbers as it is
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 18:35 asciilifeform:
this is possible. when's
the last
time you saw a cpu-bound proggy in cl
tho
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755450 << i've picked up a book in new orleans, “Symbolic computation : applications
to scientific computing”, it's all macsyma and various sussman style scheme hacks for exploring dynamic systems, but an interesting
trick
that almost all
the code uses, which i guess was sop in lisp world at some point, is
to do visualization and control on a lisp machine, but do
the heavy numeric simulations in fortran 77.
the in
☝︎☟︎ freetlas: I'm very disapointted with myself for not even being a Beginner of
The Republic.
trinque: asciilifeform: beauty of v is
that
these paths can diverge cleanly, operator can choose which lineage
to press. patches appropriate for multiple lines, ground onto multiple lines.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 01:52 phf: i
think correct method would really be
to get
the
transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and
then have a
transaction parser in shiva itself
that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever
trinque: what's needed is, say, a shivatronic script compiler for
txn.
shinohai: Neato
trinque .... had discussed with mod6 before how divorcing wallet rpc functions from
trb would be so much better.
trinque: kept
this strictly
to wallet
trinque: the cut
turned out
to be very clean, delete wallet.h/cpp, rip all references out, and item syncs just fine. it of course breaks getmempool and GenerateBlocks, whatever else.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 17:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, continuing
the
trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable
that
trb will become 3
things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed
tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping
the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized
to keeping
track of
the lies and nonsense flowing
through
the relay network (mempool,
timing nodes, what have you).
shinohai: `Long Island Iced
Tea shares soared 500% after
the company rebranded as Long Blockchain.
The decision came at 3 AM, during a long "product
testing" meeting, after one executive mentioned
that his son had made a lot of money on "Betcoin [sic].`
mircea_popescu: anytway,
this car has been idliong in parking lot long enough. i will bbl fo reals.
mircea_popescu: it's always cheaper
to deal with china without idiot white cucks
than with.
mircea_popescu: the public is henceforth a byword for
they in
the dungeons.
mircea_popescu: i'm absolutely NOT going
to sit here and say
to
trinque yes you're here and doing
things but your item should be even an iota less usefull
to you
than it could be "because public"
mircea_popescu: show a need and get at
the least a go ahead, ideally some help.
mircea_popescu: what we need is all
that matters ; anyone else's "rights" are indistinguishable from hallucinations.
mircea_popescu: there's 0 reason
to
think in
these
terms. let
the self-important impotent judges-of-all-things-makers-of-nothing wash
their heads with
their reference rights.
mircea_popescu: no. we should not. fuck
them with a barbed stick. how DARE
they be anywhere but here ? and why help such scum ?
mircea_popescu: NOW,
the first, and naive,
thought, would be "o noes, all
those poor but intelligent engineer minds who will lose
their freenode ; we should
try
to help
them"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you know FOR A FACT
that it's nsa-bs, because if it weren't,
they'd have sold it
to me not
to some obscure mortodifame.
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https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode
to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE
TO
THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODErlpxbbo: gribble lobbesbot de
mircea_popescu: i guess. better have it capable and let operator design
than have it incapable and no choice.
mircea_popescu: thereby having nodes forever on
the brink of
the chain no matter what.
mircea_popescu: because exactly, B is
the basis of all
things ; upon which basis A or C or both or neither may live.
mircea_popescu: so in
this sense, it can be said "it makes no sense
to have A without B", which is
true.
though it DOES make perfect senser
to have B without A, which is why
they are
to be cut.
mircea_popescu: but
they cut out
the essential part and left
the nonsense.
mircea_popescu: and evidently
the power rangers made
the wrong cut. it is FINE
to have a "light node" consisting of block and
tx ; no spy.