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mircea_popescu: it'd also be RATHER FUCKING SHOCKING just how much intelligence is needed
to merely maintain
the border between "tru science" and "discredited paradigm".
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:39 mircea_popescu: don't lie, because if you do you form a sort of mental habit
that will prevent you from ever inventing anything.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 01:18 mircea_popescu: it should be evident
that 1. i can argue for epicycles and 2. unless you're at least
this
tall
to ride (which is -- MUCH
taller
than average college professor), you CAN NOT dispel
them out of my hand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wish
to see
text where
this item is called "alien problem".
mircea_popescu: (ftr, "epicycles" here is a categorical
term
to describe an array of fixes attempted
to bring ptolemaic system astrology in line with observable reality)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now find "alien idea" device applied
to physically existing item.
mircea_popescu: what fucking human rights.
they're not a kind of epicycles,
they're a kind of jokicicles.
mircea_popescu: or is it
the case
that we pick and choose, and who "we" is matters, and so on etcetera.
mircea_popescu: this is uninteresting until you stop
to consider
that
the "fascist" ancien regime (that's
the word you'd use
today, right ?) did NOT have
the fucking ability
to deny people
taking a shit when
they felt like
taking a shit.
mircea_popescu: here's a point of discussion : in
the palace of versailles,
the desicated excrement in
the corners of
the hallways was swept away once a week.
mircea_popescu: no, but rather
than
talking of
the genuine item, ie, epicycles,
they
talk of entirely fictitious item, ie, "human rights".
mircea_popescu: it should be evident
that 1. i can argue for epicycles and 2. unless you're at least
this
tall
to ride (which is -- MUCH
taller
than average college professor), you CAN NOT dispel
them out of my hand.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 18:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but now merge
these factual observations, which are correct BUT SUPERFICIAL, with your own knowledge on and around
the scheuristic point of "coffin liners".
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764095 << scheuristic, ie,
the schelling heuristic. like a point, except a heuristic. btw, is
the point clear
there ? not
that "epicycles weren't abolished", but
that "the substantial difference between
the real item, ie, epicycles, which were so abolished, and
the pantsuitology item, ie clothespin, which never existed, is exactly of
the nature of defeated-enemy vs defeated-strawman" ?
☝︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it could also be
that
there's so much metrage of dead air
to fill and so very little
to fill it with. "this may be an entertaining
talkshow ; it isn't, of course, but... WSOD!!!"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 00:02 asciilifeform: ( why ? e.g. naggum's canonical 'if all you need is for something
to "work", and you don't give a damn when and how it fails, C++ and Perl is for you. if you care deeply about not having your software fail, you would naturally feel a correspondingly deep sense of betrayal from
the authors of both languages -- because
they make it so damn hard
to express
the fact
that you do care about
the failure modes.' )
ben_vulpes: in other news, lowtax state of wa remarkably efficient in stark comparison
to hightax state of or.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what concerns me is
the man's self-evaluator. "i went
to battle with
the electric fence ; i won, but..."
ben_vulpes: what is with
these retards and
their untestable hypotheses anyways, "this might blablabla
the whateverwhatever". nigga can you not design an experiment? or might it be
that
the necessary experiments are actually impossible given
the impossibility of baking metrics and disambiguating confounding factors?
mircea_popescu: it's not even "i wrote something
that DIDNT WORK".
that, is one
thing. here, he wrote something, he evaluated it as "works", BUT.
ben_vulpes: shinohai: i'll put it on
the budget lolz shelf
mircea_popescu: now
THAT is an example of "item you should not have
to fix, you should not make in first place". no memory leak ever was naturally occuring. it's not like indigestion, it's like nails hammered into skull.
shinohai: Comedy
that ben_vulpes might enjoy:
http://archive.is/9gkfT "If we see more female figures on
traffic lights
that might also have a positive impact on changing
the way we view
the world."
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, why
the pointless animal cruelty! not like you didn't know plywood dun work for
this application.
mircea_popescu: but WHY would someone involved DO
THIS. it's like dentist going "and here's a squirrel i put wooden
teeth into.
they were plywood and didn't work very well, it's not intended for geriatric care"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 15:55 phf: heh "Classification of Dugin as a fascist is justified, regardless of
the fact
that
today
the MGU professor frequently speaks not as a primitive ethnocentrist or biological racist. (...) By «fascist» we understand
the «generic» meaning of
the concept, used in comparatory research of contemporary right-wing extremism by such well-known historians-comparativists [etc.]
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763745 << /me dutifully follows, and duly falls upon "2) What was not implemented until recently was functions returning unconstrained arrays.
This is a very
tricky
thing
to do, as I'll describe in a moment.
The week before
Tri-Ada, I added a
temporary, kludgy implementation
to GNAT. About
the only
thing it had
to say for itself is
that it worked, but it creates serious memory leaks. It
☝︎ mircea_popescu: yeah, i expect so. certainly
they didn't go about collecting best-kim-ung's oppinions.
mircea_popescu: imagine
the lulz, "circumspect" reporter going into white house alt-reality distortion field festival, "hmm... you guys came up with
this shit yourselves, right ?"
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, what else is
there ? usg wrote its fanfic itself
too.
diana_coman: asciilifeform,
theoretically yes; at
that
time
though I did not even go
that far and it still proved
to be wishful
thinking
diana_coman: where his very self
tends
to write
too, yes
Matthew: you guys wrote
this yourself right
☟︎ diana_coman: fwiw I
take asciilifeform
to mean
the engineering approach vs current "programming" approach;
that has little
to do with "engineer" diploma or not,sadly
phf: their beards (and lack of) were of wide wariety. sure
there are hypothetical ee's from 70s who switched
to programming micros in
the 80s who write god
tier C, but bulk of
them is not it
diana_coman: phf might be onto something in
that functional programming was not mandatory for instance; I
took
the course because I wanted
to but I could have had no idea of it at all even, easily
phf: wut, half
the horrible code i've seen is from actual engineers. usually unstructructured reams of potato code like
they were
taught
to write matlab or fortran
danielpbarron: well i don't wanna bore
the channel with stuff you can easily learn from atruechurch.info
Matthew: also spoke
to u for a second
the other night
diana_coman: heh, add
to
that
the fact
that I specifically got interested in computers initially for
the very promise (to my mind at
the
time at least)
that
they are... reliable; because programmable, see? such silly 17-yo mea
Matthew: danielpbarron: i was just
trying
to get some free cyrpto
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, not really; studied at polytechnic uni Bucharest, automation and computers i.e. electrical engineer; followed with data mining and
that got
totally fed up after "software engineering"
Matthew: thank for allowing me
to spam
this podcast
phf: it is habit, and convention and all kinds of easily iconoclastible
things. for example i can usually recognize a proper lisp program by its shape, but
those are usually written by people who have established
those conventions
to begin with
diana_coman: I suspect all of it, one way or
the other IS a matter of habit really; it might even be
that I simply programmed overall
too little compared
to reading non-programming (programmed at school+uni+few years after
that and
then ran for
the hills until I got drawn back because eulora)
phf: in a proper program 80 col is an indicator of s/n, density and all kinds of lateral properties,
that can be communicated between professionals, because you can know ahead of
time, what you're dealing with by shape, and have a rough estimate for
the
token count
☟︎☟︎ diana_coman: basically
this would make some sense only if writing code in columns pretty much newspaper style I suppose
diana_coman has just cleared desk again getting rid of a pile of papers used for
this ch4
diana_coman: and paper+writing a lot before any need for keyboard, but I still get annoyed at multi-line stuff
that is ... one
thing otherwise, ugh
diana_coman: I do a lot of code-reading WITH paper + pencil; but
that means more writing
than printing really
diana_coman: I do
try
to keep otherwise lines relatively short mainly because no reason for very long but
that in code not in comments, admitted; and certainly not with some strict 80 char limit per se,
true