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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that q was misconceived, see further in.
asciilifeform: aha. try as i might, original stands so far as best
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 22:43 asciilifeform: patch on top of ch5 plox
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765461 << it wasn't supposed to, was it ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 22:41 asciilifeform: so {[foo]}{[bar]} would then instead look like {[foo]}~{[bar]}_ grrrrrr
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 20:26 asciilifeform: '... stack-based overflow in the function EkCheckCurrentCert. This function is called from TPM2_CreatePrimary with user controlled data - a DER encoded [6] endorsement key (EK) certificate stored in the NV storage....'
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with people taking things in at their own speed. everyone does it regardless if there's anything wrong with it or no anyway.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:22 asciilifeform: trinque: i'd bet d00d has spells of sobriety, he has afaik already outlived the expected life of a serious meth aficionado
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765282 << there is that. and, as he points out, "lo! i moved!" etc. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "this makes no fucking sense" needn't be either scary or worrisome -- it's the fundamental, unviersal state of mankind anyway.
mircea_popescu: deliberately blind. see what can be wrested out of this gesserit cube.
mircea_popescu: yeah seriously. failure of the esl mind is mostly ensured by a very broken evaluation of "success". take the brick in hand, enough achievement for the first day is to have managed to fucking hold it. yes, it's completely opaque to you. so what if it is. so are many things. see what can be cracked out of it ; there's no shortage of "science fiction" "magical realism" whatever in the actual world once one's you know, no longer
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 20:57 mircea_popescu: in languages as well as fucking, there's no disadvantage in starting directly with the master class.
lobbes: Also in the spirit of: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728257 ! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 01:49 mircea_popescu: and, for completeness : leaning german off kant is perfectly acceptable manner of learning german altogether, for the sufficiently intelligent ; much like learning greek off homer.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765700 << Danke schön. I'd like to escape the arid esl labyrinth so I've been slowly attempting to lerne Deutsch (still "daycare" level though); this may help to kill two birds with one stone. Looking like Kritik der reinen Vernunft would be my logical starting point ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 01:01 asciilifeform: how to smoke -- is possibly the 1 item where the red man had right idea.
mircea_popescu: "did it not ever occur to you to get a week's supply ahead of time ?" "here's a $20 check"
mircea_popescu: there's this lulzy "guy wrote 5 checks for $20 each every SINGLE day for three years" sorta stories from law enforcement.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:21 trinque: hey after mircea_popescu's various whallops on me about weed, I gave up daily caffeine even.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765278 << teitelbaum gaon sez, excessive virtue still vicious. nothing wrong with a little of whatever now and again, i for that matter drink the occasional cup of coffee and so on. the problem's when it becomes a regular thing, "i am in X circumstance therefore must Y". ☝︎
asciilifeform: pretty sure we had this thread..
asciilifeform: ( can do 'backpropagation', or 'genetic algo' to 'evolve' the params, or some other way )
asciilifeform: nn is a very broad item, and properly speaking the 'training' is distinct from the mechanics of the 'neurons' per se
mircea_popescu: this is a neural network in the sense frog has cns.
mircea_popescu: in a sense of nn whittled down to mean "here's this 1T bayesian array"
mircea_popescu is persuased neural networks / expert systems / etc ai.mit nonsense is waste of tiem ; however we could put the difference between trng and prng in these terms : only one is useful for evolutionary work.
asciilifeform: he got the notion ( re nn convergence, not methscope, lol ) from ancient log, where asciilifeform described own finding
a111: Logged on 2015-10-13 19:48 ascii_field: '...so the room would be empty!'
a111: Logged on 2017-11-25 00:24 gabriel_laddel: 1000x magnification seems unrealistic - that being said: if I crush some product, take hundreds of images of each sample & use them as input into a neural network along with a 1-10 (bunk-absolute fire) rating y'think it'll get trained to recognize the real deal?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1742992 << the quite memorable lulthread ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:16 gabriel_laddel: training a NN on FG output to see if it trains faster so I can sell them
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765251 << this is so fucking epic. ☝︎
asciilifeform: lol the methscopy
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:12 trinque: he was almost, maybe, sort of going to do an archiver and pdf-to-texter
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765236 << no that was the different one, with the microscopy. ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'didja want 3ring binder, or 4ring, or cleaner desk, or to think moarclearly' per naggum
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform somehow you jump from "my printer is shit, doesn't work properly" to "either magic number or throw out printer"
mircea_popescu: this is very much the problem of thinking man, "i know what i like i just don't know what it is" ie http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765170 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: for instance -- i did not observe then that "tab" makes 0 sense, entirely vt100.item to borrow your reference, and will not be maintained. CONTRARY to what i thought at the time, i don't like tabs, i like the thing tabs emulate, which is lisp autoindent
asciilifeform: sorta like in another thread re giving money to bears. just makes funnily shaped bear shit.
mircea_popescu: very substantially the same but formally different because no good form yet, so entirely useless (other than from historical pov)
asciilifeform: iirc we had almost exactly this thread, with the tabs-spaces thing
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:06 mod6: my vtron has been discussed very much over the last 2+ years. i remember many disucssions where rules popped out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765209 << yeah, somehow it became the epicenter of vcritique. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: well this has been a productive morning then.
asciilifeform: iirc trinque also has sumthing in back pocket , re subj.
mircea_popescu: cool. not like there's any rush.
asciilifeform: this is when asciilifeform admits that he has a small demo of this. but is being saved for after ffa, cuz Finishing Things Properly (tm)
mircea_popescu: (contrary to above newjersyization, print was mega-republican tech, in that it STANDARDIZED LETTERS. you would NOT FUCKING BELIVE the unicode the dark ages had produced!)
mircea_popescu: and then harem on top.
asciilifeform: store data as fucking sexprs already. let the vt100 die.
mircea_popescu: yes but i like how lisp does it so how about default that
asciilifeform: indentation and whitespace placement in general, oughta be a harem (i.e. terminal config) matter.
mircea_popescu: in the republic, the reference system is patch-tree ; press-head ; word-offset. wtf is wrong with that!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform much in the way pain in eye goes away once you move the fucking spoon.
mircea_popescu: have fixed indentation for all languages (aka only use languages with fixed indentation) and my text can flow!
asciilifeform: nelson's doom goes away if you can staticize the text.
mircea_popescu: so then, can we forget the inanities. reference is by wordcount, paragraph, work ; there is no "generic" work title but only correct patchid, ie the bible take 349875938475893749854379857 above ; and this is fucking all.
mircea_popescu: the bible take 349875938475893749854379857 paragraph 96 word 17
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 02:46 asciilifeform: if you have a record of all the prev shots, it is trivial to avoid recurring ( use simple counter )
mircea_popescu: how is this anything than "high fucking time we implement the original correctness" ?
asciilifeform: then somebody made electric textrons where the text can... change. AFTER somebody already pointered into it.
mircea_popescu: which is... to not go around with photocopies, but REPRINT! ie, reflow.
mircea_popescu: NOTE!!! however thatr foercing this ("all bible pages begin and end on same fucking words motherfuckers!!!) ruins the very point of print
mircea_popescu: there was an early knuth trying an early standardization of the same inanity, cca 1600, yes
mircea_popescu: "works 80% of the time and breaks everything"
mircea_popescu: by title, author, paragraph and word offset. ☟︎
asciilifeform: then gutenberg, and also became sometimes possible to refer to page.
asciilifeform: by title, author.
asciilifeform: there are texts. and long before gutenberg , texts knew how to refer to one another.
mircea_popescu: explain it to me like i'm new.
asciilifeform: it's the problem that drove ted nelson mad.
mircea_popescu: the ~only~ person who matters, in ALL of fucking computer, is HE WHO READS CODE, all hail to him, the greatest one.
mircea_popescu: code reference is to be optimized for the reader of code.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform code reference is not to be optimized for the writer of code.
asciilifeform: trivial changes mutilate the pointer
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 18:54 asciilifeform: ( whynot, is not a bad question, it reduces to the absence of a solution to the tednelson problem -- how to point into a structure unambiguously, other than by line # )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765140 << could trivially point into structure by word count! which is how it was fucking done before you darned kids started skatin' on the sidewalk! my addressing into classical text is paragraph count / word offset. what the FUCK is a line! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: tring is secret gensym ; gensym is public trng.
asciilifeform: ( you want a unique e.g. rsa privmod, but without having to show it to anybody ... )
asciilifeform: in that case rng. in fact this is almost definition of what trng is for.
asciilifeform: harder is when there is not a record.
asciilifeform: if you have a record of all the prev shots, it is trivial to avoid recurring ( use simple counter ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ("why not ?" "because he's not gonna reissue the item already in db doh")
mircea_popescu: back at sanity ranch, ~only way to know it won't recur is the way trinque has it implemented
mircea_popescu: this is not the samr thing!
asciilifeform: ^ there's gotta be a likbez in'ere.
asciilifeform: they're simply 'i want a piece of shit that won't recur'
asciilifeform: gensyms have 0 to do with centralized name lists or any *ns
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 18:45 asciilifeform: ( upstack : dma, interrupts, pipeline, instruction reorderer, 'hyperthreading', multiple buses, 'bridges' -- all are epicycles ( hey mircea_popescu ! ) from vonneumannism , where instructions 'push' (unrelated to stack concept) outputs, rather than 'pull' inputs as they oughta )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765119 << this is actually the most cogent critique of phalocentrism in computing i ever read. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 18:29 asciilifeform: ( make a string out of /dev/random crapola + current epoch time, say )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765100 << this is a gensym in the sense girl you met at butcher's is your true love. why not call gns like sane people. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 18:28 asciilifeform: no good. first of all suppose there are 2 concurrent runs of the vtron ( say this is a cuntoo pressing itself )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765095 << there's a certain...ring... to that. "a cuntoo pressing itself". http://78.media.tumblr.com/9307e89967592d33f10d9598fcdbc2ec/tumblr_ndiplotSRF1th0gwho1_1280.jpg ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:01 mircea_popescu: in any case, here's the logic : the proximate cause of the failure of "computer science" to amount to 0 (not epsilon, 0) since its inception is strictly due to poor treatment of comments as 2nd class item in code.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 18:12 asciilifeform: well, let's reread http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory then :
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765066 << this inevitably led to mention of knuth which in turn makes one realize tex existed originally exactly because http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765177 ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765028 << lmao this guy. YOU PUT IT THERE! and moreover... what is the logic of "begins to suspect that ~nobody actually read ch5" when "it survived nearly a week of asciilifeform rereading whole thing every day." ? DID YOU NOT READ IT ? ☝︎