asciilifeform: phf: the 'grabs a broom and a bucket and cleans it' incidentally is more or less the story of my 1st year of trb.

asciilifeform: ^ sacramental.

asciilifeform: в головах. Когда эти баритоны кричат "бей разруху!" - Я смеюсь. Клянусь вам, мне смешно! Это означает, что каждый из них должен лупить себя по затылку! '

asciilifeform: в квартире петь хором, у меня настанет разруха. Если я, входя в уборную, начну, извините за выражение, мочиться мимо унитаза и то же самое будут делать Зина и Дарья Петровна, в уборной начнется разруха. Следовательно, разруха не в клозетах, а

asciilifeform: phf: 'Разруха. Это - мираж, дым, фикция. Что такое эта ваша разруха? Старуха с клюкой? Ведьма, которая выбила все стекла, потушила все лампы? Да ее вовсе и не существует. Это вот что: если я, вместо того, чтобы оперировать каждый вечер, начну у себя

asciilifeform: there is such a thing as minimal hygienic standard.

asciilifeform: when i move into a house, demanding 'yes this place WILL have a toilet or no deal' != 'i just want to!'

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 << see also.

asciilifeform: actually phf made an imho quite persuasive defense of cmucl.

asciilifeform: and accept behaviour that i will not accept from microshit.

asciilifeform: but what i am ~not~ willing to do is to close eyes and play pretend

asciilifeform: phf: if we discover that the only way to have a usably snappy clim is custom iron, i am willing to consider custom iron.

asciilifeform: at 3GHz.

asciilifeform: motherfucker is slow even on 16 cpu.

asciilifeform: and if i wanted to use a gui where i can sit and WATCH IT REDRAW, i will use microshit word.

asciilifeform: it can fuck itself.

asciilifeform: just won't.

asciilifeform: i won't use a gui that ignores mouse wheel.

asciilifeform: then again clim is perhaps ~the~ place for this phrase.

asciilifeform: l0l!!

asciilifeform: gift for the flies.

asciilifeform: as discussed on numerous occasions.

asciilifeform: phf: 'fresh meat in the sun'

asciilifeform: phf: eons have passed since i last could be arsed to read clim. what happened ?

asciilifeform: (sad, neh? nsa crays in '90s never dreamed of 32G.)

asciilifeform: a reasonable dev box for 'modern' bloatrocities contains at least 32G.

asciilifeform: shinohai: even trb will run for no more than 2-3 weeks on 2G.

asciilifeform: shinohai: you are on what, a 486 with 8M ?

asciilifeform: elsewhere, it is simply sad.

asciilifeform: i can see using swap on a 486 with 8M, where it makes the diff between being able to load emacs and not.

asciilifeform: all swap does is prolong an agonizing and inevitable death.

asciilifeform runs without swap.

asciilifeform: fwiw i have yet to see postgres crash. but there is always a time for a first.

asciilifeform: (the pill against 'omfg, this has never before crashed', sad as it is, is generally to rewind version again and again...)

asciilifeform: now we need a vintage mysql..?

asciilifeform: now that mircea_popescu mentioned it, i recall an 'elaborate bots' thread.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cannot be ruled out. though the level of decorative dressing is quite ludicrous, in that case.

asciilifeform: (e.g., lengthy browsing of what i consider 'interesting' pages on the site previously)

asciilifeform: thinking here of the folks who show symptoms of 'manually cranked' probemeister, vs the usual bots.

asciilifeform: (somehow a box without wordpress is unthinkable to these folk.)

asciilifeform: incl. probes against the (never existing) wordpress on that box.

asciilifeform: countless variations on 'this fella MUST be php monkey, let's try all known monkeypoison'

asciilifeform: phf: at one point i got 1,001 of these daily

asciilifeform: (phuctor suffers from similar problem, python does not really have working threading either)

asciilifeform: phf: i guessed as much.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought it was called 'rubbish island'

asciilifeform: (what does phf's wwwtronics stack do when there is no available worker? or how does it work)

asciilifeform: actual 404 pg.

asciilifeform: not ping dead, no

asciilifeform: phf: interestingly, it was 404 for about half a minute.

asciilifeform: and it took a german to arrive at something like an actual solution (sync gear for the gun bolt)

asciilifeform: and the solution was somehow seen as 'make armoured propeller'

asciilifeform: where several pilots had actually died via shooting out own propeller

asciilifeform: bitcoin as it is reminds me, more than anything, of the french aerial machine gun during ww1

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has a point, if shitoshi had ~modelled~ anything, he may well have junked the whole thing and - not necessarily published anything at all.

asciilifeform: encouraging movement of coin 'for the sake of movement' leads to ~moar~ bloat, via 'utxo' frag effect, rather than less...

asciilifeform: it is really part of the major gap in the design, where ~nodes~ pay eternally for disk footprint, but ~miner~ gets the fee

asciilifeform: (incidentally, it was never wholly clear to me why 0fee tx was ever a thing.)

asciilifeform: i dun think anyone was imagining mircea_popescu creating tx on grid paper, with pencil, no.

asciilifeform: jurov: fwiw, my own btctron is configured ~exactly like (we infer) mircea_popescu's was - very 'old' coins are sent 0fee.

asciilifeform: jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-14#921826 << thread. ☝︎

asciilifeform: jurov: do you recall the lightoller paper ?

asciilifeform: jurov: what would 'sane answer' look like, in your mind ?

asciilifeform: i'd rather like to know what it is that is actually bothering jurov. (could hazard a guess, but would rather not)

asciilifeform: 'this is reality'

asciilifeform: i read it as a boy, it was brainmelting

asciilifeform: k. vonnegut

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'harrison bergeron'

asciilifeform: but it really oughta be l1.

asciilifeform: then i stand corrected.

asciilifeform: jurov: am i mistaken that classical turdatron was an l1 device ?

asciilifeform: rly?

asciilifeform: re 'unclear who has business'.

asciilifeform: jurov: related - i shit thee not - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3agpo4 .

asciilifeform: is being 'helped' by kako as we speak, likely. ☟︎

asciilifeform: just the other day.

asciilifeform: 'resolving' 'problems' aha.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: znort went off into heathendom

asciilifeform: jurov: is it in some way unclear who has business submitting patches ?

asciilifeform: well the latter. and this would include 'either EVERY supported box has it LIKE-SO, or you bundle it with the proggy. no exceptions.'

asciilifeform: i.e. tries to paper over the 10,001 under- and un- specified 'systemwide-installed' deps.

asciilifeform: *faucet

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is because it is a broken-fauced-water-raft.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/08/no-arrests-in-drug-drone-prison-crash-and-mid-flight-seizure/#comment-67856

asciilifeform: 'Andy Darken of the Prison Officers' Association said the prison service "doesn't really have the resources, means or indeed the know how yet of how to deal with the problem".'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-37152665 << noose lulz

asciilifeform: 'Once you have a key with a given 64-bit keyid in your keychain, GnuPG will not import any other key with the same 64-bit keyid. Even if you specify the new key by fingerprint.'

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/devel/68250 << gpg lulz.

asciilifeform: in other 'news', this, apparently, exists : https://twitter.com/NSAGov

asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/feministPLT << parody ?

asciilifeform: building a large proggy is intrinsically an act for literate hands, and trying to change this, will lead to no good.

asciilifeform: if you want to 'include derps' (and the result will be EVERY bit as ugly as every other occasion when someone insisted on attempt to 'include' them) distribute binaries.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526632 << this is entirely correct. the 'problem' which autoconf pretends (yes, pretends) to 'solve', is EVIL ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: (my subkey expires every year.)

asciilifeform: in fact, i'm pretty sure that i would not be able to submit a patch to turdatron presently.

asciilifeform: and yes, if jurov does not roll up his sleeves, and do the painful cleaning, it will rust and eventually no longer fire.

asciilifeform: ;;seen mike_c

asciilifeform: the fella who was in charge of this, vanished

asciilifeform: jurov: all i say is that presently we dun have a rifle-cleaning machine to give to jurov.

asciilifeform: raft: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524864 ☝︎