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mircea_popescu: good percent of africa seems to use infibulation.
asciilifeform: good % of www traffic seems to use it.
mircea_popescu: "really, i don't use it either, but i like to talk about it"
mircea_popescu: aha! so then ?
asciilifeform had to disable it manually on a box recently, it fucked up an experiment
mircea_popescu: and trilema doesn't support it afaik.
mircea_popescu: html never lost to him ; though the proprietary tardboys keep trying to make it.
asciilifeform: iirc even lynz supports the transpareng gzip thing.
mircea_popescu: I DO NOT WANT the images to be part of the samestream ; or ANYTHING ELSE. half the time i don't even download the images.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:23 asciilifeform: gzip was never purpose-built for this. nao picture if it were. naggum, as far as i can tell, wanted a compactly-encoded binform of sexpr as standard, to put plaintextism into its overdue grave.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766234 << no dude, he a) doesn't have any fucking idea what he wanted, which is shocking enough, but b) what he SAYS he wanted is nonsense beyond the pale. "images could have traveled in the same stream!!!" says the man whose signature says "hey, i have nigerian scam options in excess of a trillion that i'm not exercising, you can stop sending me more". really ? wtf is wrong with him ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( and of the raw instructions being quite readable, per se, as a program . unlike the turingsoup one puts into a transfer-machine or the like )
asciilifeform: 6502 has the advantage of history.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 16:48 asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta'
asciilifeform: fg per se is , i will argue , ~also~ a comp, it has a few bits of state, accepts input , of a kind, over time, computes a certain function, emits output.
asciilifeform: ( granted fg itself it is not a general-purpose comp. but the fpga substrate -- is. observe that it is not programmed by being given a series of sequentially-executed instructions. )
asciilifeform: then moves to a new instruction, by incrementing an instruction-pointer , and does it again. and again. etc
asciilifeform: and it sequentially reads instructions from somewhere, and each time does something. which consists of picking up operands somewhere, carrying out a e.g. addition or subtraction , and dropping the result somewhere.
asciilifeform: in j. von n.'s model, there is (ideally. in actual life, all kinds of 'unprincipled exceptions' like dma) 1 prime mover, what today we call 'cpu'.
asciilifeform: the hinge is 'what is the prime mover' in the machine, and what -- 'the moved'.
asciilifeform: if you dun know the basic idea of von neumann comp, you are not yet ready for this argument, correct.
esthlos: I suppose I don't know, then, what i'm misisng. but certainly I couldnt cogently argue why x86 sucks besides 'von neumann lol'
asciilifeform: ^ see also various threads.
asciilifeform: once you understand how these 2 worked, errything else in vonneumann-world is correctly seen as a bloated version of same.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-24 03:09 asciilifeform: phf: http://zx80.netai.net/grant/6502/Simple6502.html << to get you started...
asciilifeform: esthlos: satan himself doesn't know what typical x86 pc does with 99% of its time.
esthlos: o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform) ☟︎
esthlos: but have no idea wtf my compute is actually _doing_ 99% of the time
shinohai: Yes, that's the best one
asciilifeform: the little green one with the cartoons specifically.
asciilifeform: where e.g. 'since about say 2010, there's a new generation of programers, whose mantra is “help”, “be positive”. They shy away from negative things, even occasional swearing. I consider them scumbags. Many young star coders are of this ilk.'
shinohai: It may sound retarded, but I learned how XOR and NAND gates work by reading Forrest Mimm books and building the shit on a breadboard.
esthlos: this question is turning out hard to answer
asciilifeform: ( e.g. ' i know how addition works but not how to make a cpu that fetches instructions ...' ? )
asciilifeform: out of curiosity, esthlos , where do you perceive to be the gap ?
esthlos: effectively, electronics are black boxes. I know how to use logic gates to add, store stuff, etc., but only the theory
asciilifeform: also depends on where the white spaces in your education are -- do you already know how to e.g. make shift registers, adders, etc. and need refresh re cpu ? or already know cpu mechanics and need electronics refresh ? or wat.
asciilifeform: ( exercise for readers -- why is this machination needed
asciilifeform: actually this is still not ideal, instead let
asciilifeform: because the game board setup, if you will, also gotta be constant-time.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766198 << neato PeterL. though apparently the resolution of the timer is better than i thought, so probably the weight test should have been written like this, ☝︎
asciilifeform: even works on crapple gnat ( in dbg mode, disables staticbuild , crapple linker refuses those )
asciilifeform: the gprbuild thing hasn't changed since ch1, also, and i dun expect that it ever will ( unlike makefiles, these dun need to )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 08:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766176 >> hm. does gprbuild -r fail because there is a main ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766196 << the orig, as written , operates correctly on all correct gnats. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:41 asciilifeform: funnily enough adacore itself publishes a great many cut-down runtimes for various embedded boxes, e.g. https://bitbucket.org/tkoskine/embedded-arm-gnat-rts/src . BUT they are not usable: 1) there is -- quite deliberately -- not one targeting conventional userland linux 2) none of them support exception handling, which wouldn't be a problem except that ALL BOUNDS CHECKS ARE EXCEPTIONTRONIC
asciilifeform: and fixing the atrocities like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743986 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 08:39 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766177 <- I switched to adacore at some point, when I had enough of all sorts of weird trouble essentially; never had that specific type of problem though
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766206 << after ffa i'ma necessarily move on to the chore of nailing down gnat. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766213 << d00d freely conversed in the langs of europe, had classical education, read his frege, etc and was no more 'neet' than e.g. mircea_popescu , socrates, et al ☝︎
asciilifeform: possibly mircea_popescu parsed the 'important' differently ?
asciilifeform: why do anything at all if 'we cannot hope to beat the old greeks' say. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 09:01 mircea_popescu: and holy shit the indescribably mixed bag that naggum brings to the table. take https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3216002118211980@naggum.net.html as well as anything : the post-scriptum reads "the past is not more important than the future" NEET cultish wank (re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763821 ), even as the text reads "the past is STILL, and NECESSARILY forever will be, more important than the future -- if it i
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766211 << the classical j00z have the 'past is moar important' jumpers set to max: iirc they have a 'the further we get from moses, the moar of god-given wisdom is lost', i.e. nonrenewable resource. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 11:29 mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242173964750774@naggum.no.html << take this gem. "The idiot individualist with megalomania will think that others are his inferiors, that people who work in groups never get anything done while he can get a lot done alone." vs "I am far more conscious in general than other people." BITCH WHICH IS IT!!!1
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766223 << i parsed the sentence differently --' idiot individualist' implying the existence of 'smart individualist', who is able to make use of a platoon of hands, rather than be crippled by 'committeeism' ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i vaguely suspect that without periodic catastrophes where elite is butchered ( dun matter so much by whom, barbarians, jacobins, or plague ) you end up with the castes of india . but naturally not testable.
asciilifeform: it's rather like those fungi that eat aids sufferers.
asciilifeform: if yer ancien regime is vulnerable to revolution, it's rotten. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 10:18 mircea_popescu: "but mp, work here is intended to mean that the niggers can spawn a replacement society that'll be just as good as the thing they originally pillaged". "sure, and for the same definition of just as good i could replace you all with cultured strep, how about that."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766221 << they work exactly as death works for people - 'so long as somebody else doing it', noshit. civilizations sensesce and gotta get gc'd - like people. e.g. nick the II-nd's regime was liquishit. or take the last habsburgs.. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and then ditto re html.
asciilifeform: ended up xml via similar process to how postscript ended up pdf
asciilifeform: ( it was designed as a general-purpose 'self-describing data' -ikr? - horror , and idea was that it would be edited ~with appropriate tools~ - which unsurprisingly never were invented ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: as for xml, naggum was apparently involved with it before wwwism began to take off, and there were any notion of humans editing it directly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pdf is a graphics format ( and a quite horrifying one, a corruption of postscript, recall ) not a text. so not the right warcrime for comparison for the french thing ☟︎
asciilifeform: which is imho therightthing.
asciilifeform: gzip was never purpose-built for this. nao picture if it were. naggum, as far as i can tell, wanted a compactly-encoded binform of sexpr as standard, to put plaintextism into its overdue grave. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt- recall that almost all htm today goes over the cable gzipped. in that sense it in fact 'lost' to bin. )
mircea_popescu: now, that the whole "french people can technology too!" olivetti-document-format went nowhere is, i think, neither surprising nor in anyone's estimation a bad thing ; but divorced from that, the claim that pdf-ttp would have been an improvement ?! wtf is this guy talking about ?
mircea_popescu: rt to keep the ODA and ODIF folks at bay and was a purely political stunt, not intended to be implemented. When I went ahead and did it, I was not exactly applauded for the effort. The fact that it was /vastly/ more efficient in all respects than the stupid character syntax was /most/ unwelcome by the community."
mircea_popescu: would have realized the insanity of requiring the verbose end-tags and the stupid syntax. XML-RPC and SOAP and the like could have been fairly inexpensive things. But, alas, people prefer buggy text formats that they can approximate rather than precise binary formats that follow general rules that are make them as easy to use as text formats. Rationality is not part of the SGML philosophy, however, and SDIF was mainly an effo
mircea_popescu: s you get when parsing ASN.1 are unforgiving. There is no doubt in my mind that if SDIF had won over the insanely verbose text format, even things like HTML would have been moderately sane. Not to mention the fact that images could have been carried in the same data stream. The world would have been a better place if SDIF had won over HTML, and if the nutjobs who "invented" XML had been moderately in touch with reality, they
mircea_popescu: about 75% of the memory to reconstruct the identical in-memory version of the document. This experiment was among the many data points that led me to conclude that SGML is insane and that those who think it is rational to require parsing of character data at each and every application interface are literally retarded and willfully blind. Also, an SDIF data stream can only represent a validated document and the kinds of error
mircea_popescu: "By the way, the SGML Document Interchange Format (ISO 9069) uses ASN.1 to ship SGML documents around. I wrote an implementation of SDIF in three days. Test runs showed that a major CALS application consumed approximately 40% of the character count of the SGML file, and with the then commonly available tools to parse and process SGML documents and ASN.1 processors, the SDIF data stream took around 1/200th as much CPU time and
mircea_popescu: but, this bit maybe in the log :
mircea_popescu: let's iliterately dork about literacy why the hell not, "it's engineering" hurr.
mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242173964750774@naggum.no.html << take this gem. "The idiot individualist with megalomania will think that others are his inferiors, that people who work in groups never get anything done while he can get a lot done alone." vs "I am far more conscious in general than other people." BITCH WHICH IS IT!!!1 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: all the strep votes for me so evidently the strepvolution worked. hurr ?
mircea_popescu: "but mp, work here is intended to mean that the niggers can spawn a replacement society that'll be just as good as the thing they originally pillaged". "sure, and for the same definition of just as good i could replace you all with cultured strep, how about that." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "Revolutions sometimes do work, but their cost in human terms is /enormous/." << no revolutin ever worked, in any sense of "work" distinguishable from "nigger got his delicious free chicken". for the same money, "pillage works". sure, it works fine for as long as you're the one doing it.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/land-of-coffee-land-of-winds-land-of-oddly-moistened-bints/ << Trilema - Land of coffee, land of winds, land of oddly moistened bints
mircea_popescu: (think about it, what is marxism other than the proposition that the dissatisfaction of the plebs, produiced through giving them more than they should have been given, is to be cured by giving them... even more! hurr ?)
mircea_popescu: im starting to believe the only possible definition of "postmodern man" is "he who attempts to resolve all problems by more insistend application of whatever caused them in the first place and in no other way".
mircea_popescu: but he doesn't see this, so in he falls into pantsuit sink, "getting personal about profession is tremendously annoying" etc. no it's fucking not, jesus christ, jwz restated. have a better personality instead!
mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- that the "open source" nonsense was made for new jersey and vice-versa (no, it's NOT TRUE "anyone can contribute", holy shit already, what sort of crapsack world is this to be!), that fare is an immature bitchlet has nothing to do with lone programmers, nor with fucking professionalism. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 16:38 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing retrospective trilemas, here's an item by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SXexf/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: and holy shit the indescribably mixed bag that naggum brings to the table. take https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3216002118211980@naggum.net.html as well as anything : the post-scriptum reads "the past is not more important than the future" NEET cultish wank (re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763821 ), even as the text reads "the past is STILL, and NECESSARILY forever will be, more important than the future -- if it i ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: in other news, anyone want to do a wire for me ? pete_dushenski ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 05:55 trinque: diana_coman: your www appears to be down atm
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766177 <- I switched to adacore at some point, when I had enough of all sorts of weird trouble essentially; never had that specific type of problem though ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766189 << oddly missing, the part where "we are sorry to report tmsr was right, we suck, we have fortwith ceased all pretense to the contrary". alt-world of snakeoil peddlemen where they're genuwine doktors and alliswell. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 05:55 trinque: diana_coman: your www appears to be down atm
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 22:57 asciilifeform: btw if somebody wants to write a py or pl scriptoid that'll generate the gpg-matching 1ffffff...blah turdoid for a given file , he will get honourable-mention in the next chapter.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766126 << so I was like "how hard could this be?" and I am trying to wrap my head around what this comes from, so I open up the gpg source code, and bleh, code is sooo much easier to read when it is written in ada by asciilifeform! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 02:52 asciilifeform: ^ anybody seen anything of this kind ? mod6 ? phf ? ben_vulpes ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766176 >> hm. does gprbuild -r fail because there is a main ? ☝︎☟︎
trinque: diana_coman: your www appears to be down atm ☟︎☟︎
esthlos: issue resolved by moving to 2016 ada ☟︎
esthlos: i will try on eulora box once its spun up.