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PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909564 << speaking of meat-driven OCR, I de-pdf-ed the miller-rabin paper: http://peterl.xyz/2019/04/probabilistic-algorithm-for-testing-primality/ ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 21:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm almost surprised you dun write it with http://www.loper-os.org/pub/podvig_radista.jpg terminal.

asciilifeform: spyked: re earlier thrd, i suspect yer real question was, how much work ought one to put into keeping unix on life support.

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/so-here-i-sit/ << Trilema -- So here I sit...

a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 20:47 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909552 << i grok this. the question is, how much work should go into cuntoo?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909943 << so far, "cuntoo" is the name we use for the republican os. this item will exist ; the question reduces to "how much work should i put into the framewire model of the future house". by this or some other name, all work we will ever put into tmsr os will go into wjat would currently be called "cuntoo" ☝︎☟︎

spyked: notice: I will be out of town for cca 1 week starting tomorrow, so I'll have limited access to my keys and I might handle e.g. feedbot outages with some delay.

asciilifeform: bvt: ha, i was quite certain i'd seen the fella before. turns out ~this~ was where.

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909723 << i will definitely write him ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 16:51 asciilifeform: prolly the most valuable vlsi likbez i've found to date, even beats the ancient carver mead schoolbook in some ways

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909683 << do you mean the pdf/word in the vm1 directory? or whole repo with e.g. http://archive.is/E2iex#selection-3535.0-3561.54 ? if there is a single document, i'd definitely read ☝︎

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909614 << i can do some experiments with tcc-based linux; this may be a too big chunk if i start with cuntoo, but should be possible with some very minimal linux. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 22:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909527 << currently i suspect that tcc & similar is a mirage; and that an actual serious solution would moar resemble the bolix approach, where you have a proper lisp and a ~compact~ + readable c-to-lisp ~in~ it for use with legacy crapola while-needed

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909552 << i grok this. the question is, how much work should go into cuntoo? ☝︎☟︎

mp_en_viaje: fuck, i don' teven want to talk about it. fucking infuriating shithole.

BingoBoingo: I mean, when you were in Argentina, did you see strong tribal identities outside of the outsider communities?

mp_en_viaje: the problem, i suspect, was that he was getting old and had no succession. at least that was my understanding of the collapse at the time.

mp_en_viaje: i dunno the problem was anything to do with that, gaddafi was the paragon of non-alligned warlike. he even enaged in very meaningful pre-mp cultural war, what with his tall busty harem girls and whatnot.

BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell Maduro is more entrenched than any of the Middle Eastern strongmen the US targetted.

mp_en_viaje: the intervening decade must bear most of the brunt of the explanation, otherwise i simply dun see it. maduro is no fucking gaddafi are you kidding me ?

mp_en_viaje: but anyway, pretty epic case of co-opting usg.blue's "orange revolution" material into court fucktoy / clown. i suppose he got the typically pantsuit fake opposition as cheaply as could be had.

mp_en_viaje: fucking turned things around, this idiocy. i had nfi maduro is actually popular. i still half don' tbelieve it. but hard to argue with the facts.

mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, so far i must say im quite impressed with the approach. maduro somehow beats gaddafi in the field ?!

asciilifeform: i have nfi what's in the '???' in their 1) ... 2) ??? 3) profit eqn.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909709 << is she hawt ? did i miss the qntra pics of her (hopefully closely shaved) snatch ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: lol i recall mp_en_viaje's bogota piece

mp_en_viaje: unions exist specifically because "it's not clear to us anymore that owning the machinery means owning the slaves attending the machinery" ; and i don' tmean clear to the slaves. i mean clear to the ~owners~.

mp_en_viaje: the whole "i just want to" item is just an artefact of this same problem ; examtaking is just a manifestation of the same behaviour. the principal-agent problem is the same damned thing. the brokenness of domestic arrangements in the us flow from the very simple "it

asciilifeform: dunno, i priced recently raw 6GB/s transceiver, was ~30bux ea.

asciilifeform: i half-expected 1 or other would be trotted out when 'moor's law' dead. but turned out to be cheaper to simply tell konsoomer to suck it.

asciilifeform: for that matter, i still have nfi why said snake is copper, and not optic.

asciilifeform: incidentally 'cray' has this in 1980s. why pc bus had to wait 30 years to become 'snakeable', i have nfi.

asciilifeform: ( i.e. mp_en_viaje is not the 1st to notice the absurdity of plugging a 2kg, 200watt eater into pc mobo )

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i'm not necessarily discussing the electricity draw ; but the thermic leak trough the connectors.

asciilifeform: i actually have a (heathenisms) box here with '1070'

asciilifeform: i dunthink i have anyffin in my boxes that draws whole 30w from pci

mp_en_viaje: i dunno i wanna melt my caps for this 50x slower thing tbh.

mp_en_viaje: i... guess.

mp_en_viaje: anyway, to sum up this thread before it runs away from us : i expect that if you design your own gpu, and we compare it (through what, who knows, maybe by then phf comes up with a magical differ that woerks on circuit designs) to the top of the range efficiency gpus (~100% of them nvidia products, tho not 100% of the nvidia products) you'll discover they're very similar.

mp_en_viaje: not like we have good words to discuss synthetically the subject matter. tho i'd very much like to.

mp_en_viaje: whereas this is, "squarier" however the fuck shall i say this.

mp_en_viaje: but the thing i interpreted that "tumour mass" you talked about to mean was this specific pattern, a sorta circular bundle.

mp_en_viaje: it just wasn't practical. and no i don' tmean "large rectangles".

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lacking even photograph, i cannot pontificate in further detail re nvidia. but also do not automatically conclude on acct of 'faster than amd's' that it were hand-sewn.

mp_en_viaje: (note, i'm not even remotely saying 100% hand-made. but they had ~something~, that afaik was never found. and it sure as fuck wasn't just a software layer on whatever off the shelf verilogizer.

mp_en_viaje: and admittedly nvidia also had some shittier chips in this vein. but they also had a skunkworks core that did something that i dunno what it is.

asciilifeform: nao i did not walk in and see it used. but would be surprised to learn that it wasn't, the temptation is irresistible , on acct of sheer heft of the risk in the biz ☝︎

mp_en_viaje: not even for prototyping, they had some inhouse thing i could never pin down

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i know for a fact that they do.

asciilifeform: most of what's baked at e.g. tmsc, is 'verilog synthed' i.e. essentially same as fpga but w/ masked config bits.

mp_en_viaje: but i do expect memories will be 99%+ identical, because wtf, banks of cells.

mp_en_viaje: and what i'm saying is that any meaningful gpu will be very similar to extant items. i do not expect there is ~any meaningful overlap, from a purely graphical pov, between extant cpu and sane cpu.

asciilifeform: for 'i want 60 frames/sec in 'doom' ' -- yes replace.

asciilifeform: for 'i'm breaking codez and erry nanosecond counts' cannot replace custom matrix where you manually arranged transistors, no.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 02:58 zx2c4: haha, was just curious. i presume you're ancient

asciilifeform: prolly the most valuable vlsi likbez i've found to date, even beats the ancient carver mead schoolbook in some ways ☟︎

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i did short walk through the linked www, believe or not, d00d in fact typed up some of the ancient docs into humanlike text

mp_en_viaje: i'd totally fucking read it.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 1st i saw the link to that thing, went 'eh, fossil', then went and ~read~, and 'wtf, where do i buy a chip with even half the doc of this'

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909552 << this is exactly what i fear we will discover scratching the surface of that magic crate ; as we so regularly have been discovering to date. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:24 stratum: If individuals want to communicate using heavily encrypted sneakernet to avoid NSA goons, that is certainly okay by me. But I don't see that happening for the billions any time soon.

mp_en_viaje: and these aren't mere words. it is what i see these people as, from the last poettering to the foremost stallman or linus, including the whole menagerie of "i just wanted to suck dicks" anodyne anons, be they zx wharever or oj whatever or whichever other one.

mp_en_viaje: the "let there be a javascript interpreter for c, call it tcc or w/e, people can play with if theyr'e bored" is really the outmost of concession i can make to what is, ultimately, a shameful, abortive and utterly reprehensible outgrowth on human culture = the totality of everyone involved in computer systems design and implementatio nfor the past few decades.

mp_en_viaje: thus therefore, i do not see the need to continue supporting c as a mental construct. even having to reimplement "everything" (ie, practically, nothing at all) from outside is preferable to an attempt at continuing c.

mp_en_viaje: if i make someone work with c, it's perceived as a punishment.

mp_en_viaje: see, all this reasoning is informed by experience : back when we started looking at systems design lang, and started discussing ada, i was very adamantly for maintaining options open.

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, in general, i do not see there's any need for having a musl gcc in the first place.

asciilifeform: ( i.e. this item may be solvable w/ a bit of archaeology )

a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:55 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909440 << this would involve getting binutils under our control - bigger part of these timestamps are added by ar/ld; tbh i even dunno if gcc is responsible for this at all.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909539 << i don' timagine present binutils can continue as such ; ideally should dissolve into actually functional toolset. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:44 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-22#1909254 << i suspect that fixing direct gcc6->gcc4 step involves something like http://archive.is/cBg9N#selection-9.1340-9.1425

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i dunno, as a factual matter i suspect a wouldn't is worth 9k couldn'ts.

a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:19 lobbes: After that, I'm going to start working on re-implementing the auto-bidding functionality (which will also be a vpatch)

mp_en_viaje: and might i say btw tha tthe new linking log scheeme is a fucking pleasure to use.

mp_en_viaje: but i don't believe in not paying honest merchant. i do believe in not indulging stupid woman's pretense to relevancy and "rule making".

asciilifeform: iirc there was even a fella who flew, for yrs, not only w/out ticket, but... as pilot. ( said, 'hi i am pilot', no one asked for diploma for decade+ )

mp_en_viaje: well, lufthansa dropped the ball, so i went munchen-budapest w/o plane tickets yes.

mp_en_viaje: "like fucking hell you can't ; drive". so she does cuz more affraid of dood in car than vague theoretical doods at us border. who come swarming in, "why is car driving TOWARDS us side on exit". and so i give them the shit, whatever it was

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909502 << you know, last i left the us, 2005ish or so, it was a fucking lulz... so fucking empty, i had to forcibly turn mexicana cab driver around, to get to the guy i had to give whatever paper to. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 18:13 asciilifeform: tbf normally reich subject needs visa for moscow ( i dun know how, precisely, s got around this on moment's notice )

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909486 << same exact way i do. you just go, what the fuck are they going to do. ☝︎

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909478 << very 1990s ro naivite this. i guess they'll figure it out in their own time. ☝︎

a111: 2019-02-19 <ave1> Btw asciilifeform, I had to switch my cheap NFS account to a more expensive one as php 5.6 is no longer supported in their new setup. I expect that sometime, at the end of this year, 5.6 will also disappear from "production" sites.

asciilifeform: i'ma mirror those scans, they dun deserve to live in a shithub

a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:57 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909490 << speaking of which, http://archive.is/pEMWM ; also, i guess elbrus-2 (~1985) and besm-6 are still running

asciilifeform: i.e. what you'd want is to 'self-host' (on iron built for the purpose) a lang where a c, ada, etc. compiler is 3000 ln.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909527 << currently i suspect that tcc & similar is a mirage; and that an actual serious solution would moar resemble the bolix approach, where you have a proper lisp and a ~compact~ + readable c-to-lisp ~in~ it for use with legacy crapola while-needed ☝︎☝︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: i dun expect to ever get hands on a complete elbrus-2 or etc.

asciilifeform: it is only interesting from the pov where e.g. asciilifeform bought small crate of k1801bm2 , and reasonably certain they aint modern fakes ( if i ever end up using'em, i'ma decap 1 at random & see.. )

a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:57 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909490 << speaking of which, http://archive.is/pEMWM ; also, i guess elbrus-2 (~1985) and besm-6 are still running

a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:44 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-22#1909254 << i suspect that fixing direct gcc6->gcc4 step involves something like http://archive.is/cBg9N#selection-9.1340-9.1425

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909490 << speaking of which, http://archive.is/pEMWM ; also, i guess elbrus-2 (~1985) and besm-6 are still running ☝︎☟︎☟︎

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909440 << this would involve getting binutils under our control - bigger part of these timestamps are added by ar/ld; tbh i even dunno if gcc is responsible for this at all. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 16:19 trinque: his gcc does not build upon musl, so I have not. prodded him a few times about getting his to run on a musl box.

a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 16:03 trinque: if somebody finds a way of leaping directly from gcc6 to 4, I'll applaud him, but I'm not burning any more hours of life in there

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-22#1909254 << i suspect that fixing direct gcc6->gcc4 step involves something like http://archive.is/cBg9N#selection-9.1340-9.1425 ☝︎☟︎☟︎

lobbes: btw phf, I'm loving this log link markup. very cool

lobbes: After that, I'm going to start working on re-implementing the auto-bidding functionality (which will also be a vpatch) ☟︎

lobbes: next up on my conveyor is to publish a vpatch for the auctionbot proper, as right now I've only provided the 'command router' it sits on. I aim to have that out by Sunday the latest