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asciilifeform: there is no 'stranger can connect and blow difficulty'.
asciilifeform: nothing that happens here is analogous to btc mining.
asciilifeform: where's that
asciilifeform: and not simply a matter of 'no one tried hard enough to piss in our particular soup'
asciilifeform: i will observe that, e.g., new york times front page, has 1,001 new faux-people every morning. whereas here we get 0. and so in principle the problem is tractable.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: l0l
asciilifeform: 'esteemed sir, the defective transistors were packaged separately for your convenience.'
asciilifeform: the counting, i mean.
asciilifeform: how is this even in principle possible ?
asciilifeform: and don't fool actual people for so much as 5 seconds.
asciilifeform: these aren't people.
asciilifeform: womans!111
asciilifeform: lel
asciilifeform: let the covertresses live with own kind. and the knuthes - own. etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't grasp the need for a global 'humanity filter.' working wotronics implies that folks will assortively peer by degree of muppetry, and this imho suffices.
asciilifeform: incidentally, less time than it takes to tell man from muppet by playing go (how many folks even play above 1995 computer level ? does mircea_popescu ? )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now there is a 'complicated' 'let's talk for five minutes'.
asciilifeform: there is no risk of a mechanical mircea_popescutron.
asciilifeform: it works on a narrow and well-defined toy problem.
asciilifeform: i dun see how the go machine relates.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu's gurl zoo is made of what.
asciilifeform: fact is, enemy has not yet devised a means of making faux people at 0cost.
asciilifeform: which does not have such a thing as 0-cost sybilmaking.
asciilifeform: it recurses to meatspace.
asciilifeform: incidentally what the hell is wrong with 'i won't answer message from $newkey unless an $oldkey vouched for him' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~entire point of wotronics is to eliminate 'field of worms as far as the eye can see in all directions' as a thing of this world.
asciilifeform: quite certainly not. but if he is found worthy by all concentric N circles of L_n wot arount razi, then he is worth testing.
asciilifeform: to get through 10,000,001 enemy meat puppets, the would-be proselyte will have to fight his way through jungle, desert, etc.
asciilifeform: no, let's do it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-16#876727 << where i address the point. ☝︎
asciilifeform: $s razi
asciilifeform: i did read.
asciilifeform: spam raises the bar to 'i want to be a man', yes. but cannot raise it infinitely high.
asciilifeform: quite alive. all of my peerings with actual people still work.
asciilifeform: i won't. as knuth does not.
asciilifeform: and make it stick.
asciilifeform: if there were 10,001 covertresses, i would read ~none~ of them
asciilifeform: and resulted in folks quitting email.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we already did this exercise. in 1990s. it was called spam.
asciilifeform: (for the most part, i don't. except that one time there was this odd parrot-like... etc)
asciilifeform: same way i distinguish between the birds in my oak tree.
asciilifeform: same as everybody.
asciilifeform: i get an rsa-signed 'hi, i'ma fella named mircea' etc.
asciilifeform: why would you or i wot to any of him.
asciilifeform: what 'accounts'.
asciilifeform: (how else would there be any connection between the sybils and actual people?)
asciilifeform: and, at best, ninjashogunning.
asciilifeform: he'd be pulling own cock.
asciilifeform: gossip model does not rely on 'arms race' with hardware and mains current.
asciilifeform: in that sense BingoBoingo pulling weeds in his corn field is 'mining'
asciilifeform: ( as per http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies )
asciilifeform: i am speaking of 'mining' in the bitcoin sense, where a stranger can connect and shoot your difficulty to pluto and leave, etc.
asciilifeform: link?
asciilifeform: the reason i occasionally return to the idea in my notebook is that it is the only solution i know of thus far to the idiocy of mining.
asciilifeform: with wot, it is, at best, a mechanized version of how banking worked pre-1700s or so.
asciilifeform: a la 'ripple' etc.
asciilifeform: without wot it devolves into a not very funny joke
asciilifeform: Framedragger: iirc nothing further came from this line of thought, to date, it is only interesting as gedankenexperiment.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: for some reason i cannot turn up the thread. but idea was something like a crackpot generalization of the idea of altcoins, i.e. every node can issue obligatory notes, if you will, in whatever qty, and their worth rests wholly on wot graph relations of that node, and strictly to his peers
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 0 global state.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'i want to send penny without bank' 'use my bank'
asciilifeform: (and that it is a 'solution in search of problem')
asciilifeform: it turned out that no one has the 100kg of lsd necessary to properly digest the idea.
asciilifeform: PeterL: we had a 'what if gossipd also had a multidimensional hawala thing' thread
asciilifeform: $s wotcoin
asciilifeform: PeterL: we had a thread...
asciilifeform: https://www.worldlink.com.np << lulzy.
asciilifeform: the shared factor, 78.188.162.184 << Turkey, Osmaniye, Osmaniye.
asciilifeform: mega-discount chinese pipe, apparently. box is not currently up.
asciilifeform: since when did they even have a net pipe.
asciilifeform: Nepal, Bagmati, Kathmandu << lel
asciilifeform welcomes phf back
asciilifeform: i have nfi, trinque , but 'read and understood the complete c stack' is a proposition on the scale of 'built undersea cities and no one noticed.'
asciilifeform: trinque: their bureaucrats sit on winblows. just like in ru or usa. or were you thinking of 'meta-china' hidden beneath the sea somewhere..?
asciilifeform: and the might of the asian anthill ?
asciilifeform: but apparently easily moved by crapple's free candy?
asciilifeform: and if you have not read and understood every single page on it, you are unfit to even contemplate subj.
asciilifeform: afaik the ~only~ such www
asciilifeform: at any rate i have entire www devoted to subj.
asciilifeform: or show me all of the overflows in linux kernel, and mathematically demonstrate that there are no others.
asciilifeform: trinque: if you disagree, you are welcome to demonstrate to me how , e.g., openssl 5.2 produced the recently broken keys
asciilifeform: trinque: c machine is physically incompatible with understood software stack.
asciilifeform: trinque: who cribs, has not ~understood~. ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: crib the goods, crib the bugs and boobietraps.
asciilifeform: again who the fuck needs a rustbucket that costs a dollar per metre to move??!
asciilifeform: typical asian tunnel vision.
asciilifeform: i will point out that if their solution involves c machine, that's five wasted trillion.
asciilifeform: and both are straight cribs of western designs.
asciilifeform: is elbrus 'also there' ?
asciilifeform: trinque: it is unobtainable. like elbrus.
asciilifeform: mega-snore
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the license-built arm?
asciilifeform: mod6: they love wintel.
asciilifeform: maybe in another 500 yrs.
asciilifeform: there is also the fact that making wholly new arch , on new model of computation, is lunacy, of the precise kind that no respectable confucian would contemplate.
asciilifeform: to limited degree.
asciilifeform: it leaks into ru sphere
asciilifeform: 'What, abandon warez?!'
asciilifeform: it is as hidebound as ru in that respect.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see 0 signs of demicroshitification in china.