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spyked: mircea_popescu, lemme try to restate the thing as I see it. the rss bot doesn'
t make changes to ircbot, it's a new thing that uses ircbot as a dependency. so from this follows (in my mind, so pls to say if broken!) that the new thing will be a genesis.
mircea_popescu: i don'
t even know what fucking line. what line ? it's either a genesis or a patchset. that's thje fucking line. what other line ?!
lobbesbot: douchebag: Sent 4 hours and 32 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> if you think the faux-camwhores approach will work to make a 'backup' identity for self, this time with new flavouring -- 1) it won'
t 2) drop it 3) this is good road to -10
mircea_popescu: i don'
t get it. you can'
t press to arbitrary heads now ?
spyked: mircea_popescu, it is going to be separate item, but based on ircbot. can'
t be an extension of ircbot, for the same reason logbot can'
t be (some people might not wanna put a rsstron into their ircbot)
mircea_popescu: spyked, yes, but you have to pick something at some point. you can'
t be doing everything at the same time.
mircea_popescu: think : if you take the time to say, i don'
t have to take the time to later ask. it's a penny saved, aka earned.
trinque: we can'
t put each descendent class in every parent's v-tree, or there's one v-tree for the whole world
mircea_popescu: trinque, is it actually the case ircbot can'
t do the voicing ?
mircea_popescu: poor communication with the exterior and poor structuring of the internal process. no, it's not AT ALL the same fucking thing, oh, x is vaguely related to y so let's call it all z." the point isn'
t to make stu over here.
trinque: because coy and what if he doesn'
t like me, or fuck knows
trinque: spyked: hasn'
t to do with the publishing and signing yet. open source is shit precisely because every idiot comes in and does his own thing without talking to the last guy
mircea_popescu: instead you just dump an endless pile of diffs that a) do multiple unrelated things and b) don'
t even betray any awareness of the process involved in all of this.
mircea_popescu: it means this : that instead of explicitly communicating state, a. "i r making rss bot" ; b. "hey trinque wtf, ircbot doesn'
t do voicing ?" ; c. "o well, stopped making rss bot, making voice module for ircbot to be able to make rss bot later" and THEN 1. pushing a voice patch to ircbot BEFORE d. "back to making rss bot"
spyked: no, what I mean is really, couldn'
t evaluate the metaphor in this context. /me admits to being overly thick.
mircea_popescu: well, apparently he doesn'
t know what goes in $x. which... i have nfi how this is possible, but somehow it occured. "i am working on a thing" "who made it" "dunno" "vorwarts, soviet!"
mircea_popescu: spyked, it was obvious you were going to implement voicing to make rss bot ? and it was also obvious that you're going to switch state from "making rss bot" to "implementing voice for ircbot so i can proceed with making rssbot", so you didn'
t announce that either. do you have a value for $x ?
spyked: mircea_popescu, it can be used to implement self-voicing, but no, it doesn'
t implement that functionality itself.
mircea_popescu: why's that question take 100s of seconds to process anyway. it can'
t be ~that~ intricate, just copy a register and return.
mircea_popescu: cool. and trying to do this you discovered ircbot can'
t actually handle voicing itself ?
spyked: trinque, that wasn'
t implied in the discussion.
spyked: mircea_popescu, i haven'
t thought about that yet. but needless to say, the bot depends on many pieces that are not v-ified (and for that matter also does ircbot).
mircea_popescu: i expect 80% of the cases of "oh, i am being asked too much, this republic sucks" come from exactly this inept "oh, i won'
t do a good job, and wait for time to resolve it". yes, time will resolve it, but odds are the solution will hurt the butt.
trinque: KernelKhaos: didn'
t you drop by as some other cutesy nick?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 20:51 BingoBoingo: And to top it all off, as much as my walking speed has slowed today, THEY STILL WON'
T STOP STOPPING
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 18:46 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817710 << yes, i seem to make these kind of homonym errors a lot actually, and i reread the sentence every time, but don'
t see it until the issue is pointed out.
BingoBoingo: '
t it be nice dream to loudly piss over the USG.FCC from down south
BingoBoingo: Sure. gossipd isn'
t the only use case. Can'
t expect the moo cows to report to the reddit bags because they have been issued messages over a gossipd they aren'
t equipped to use. It's a use case that demands voice and/or video.
phf: trinque: i like that idea, i'll see if it's easy to implement though. it doesn'
t map quite cleanly to current search architecture though, which is single pass and stateless
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: i'm establishing scope, rather then actually doing anything. firefox on my x60 has an uper limit on tabs i have open, because it runs out of memory, so i started thinking that this ain'
t no way to live :>
☟︎ phf: and i guess you're trying to replace google's uboot with a built-from-src one, that doesn'
t also have rsa checks etc.
☟︎ spyked: the rationale is that there are a few O(n) operations involved (e.g. walking through the list of rss feeds) and I don'
t want every rando landing on Freenode to be able to abuse this (in particular for advertising sent via pm). let 'em get their own rss bot if they wanna.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 08:59 spyked: re b. I have a rfc in the works, should be ready for publishing at the beginning of next week. this is also why I haven'
t disclosed the bot's name and the channel where it operates at the moment, I want to limit access to relevant bot commands to L1 and L2 only.
spyked: re b. I have a rfc in the works, should be ready for publishing at the beginning of next week. this is also why I haven'
t disclosed the bot's name and the channel where it operates at the moment, I want to limit access to relevant bot commands to L1 and L2 only.
☟︎ spyked: re a. it's occured to me a few days ago that the bot must maintain +v/-v state so that it doesn'
t needlessly attempt to talk in-chan before self-voicing. I intend this part to be separate from the rss bot itself and reusable.
spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818005 <-- it's a few (2-3?) weeks away from deployability. full report: basic functionality is pretty stable now (cl-feed-parser library was throwing random errors and wasn'
t fittable-in-head; so I had to replace and rewrite a significant portion of the rss and atom parsing bits). I still need to implement a. self-voicing and b. an access control mechanism.
☝︎ trinque: I couldn'
t tell you 5% of my teacher's names
Mocky: can'
t think of name, but i can picture him, scruffy luddite
mircea_popescu: what's the problem, you folk don'
t have the information superhighway where you live, can'
t communicate with each other, the trucks of internets don'
t make it, what is it.
Mocky: well, got in on 3 scholarships, and lost one couldn'
t make tuition
Mocky: trinque, i don'
t think so
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 19:50 mircea_popescu: much like byzantines imagined mongols come over to steal the "true cross" because it's so fucking valuable in their eyes. because how couldn'
t it be. and so on.
trinque: hmmm, I can see it. in the personal anecdote, I wasn'
t overflowing with loyalty for anyone either.
mircea_popescu: (and no, i don'
t mean "talk to kids ~anbout bedwetting~, what a stupid fucking subject. i mean take them out for a sundae and do something interesting or other, whatever the spur of the moment provides.)
mircea_popescu: bedwetting, perhaps the most eminent example towards your line, also doesn'
t work. though conceivably hanging bedwetters would work, but in the social sense -- be rid of them.
mircea_popescu: violence is extremely effectual at curing high level delusions -- every "princess" reverts to sanity after a stint in the dungeon. it's not particularly effectual at curing lower level issues, beating kids for suttering doesn'
t work.
mircea_popescu: trinque, it's my read also. retarded, in the proper sense, like 9yo that can'
t tie own shoes.
mircea_popescu: he somehow ~didn'
t~ similarily figure about stabbing young girls.
mircea_popescu: (dysfunctional here isn'
t even a value judgement ; sexuality is a function of anatomy, a portion of phisiology, like breathing. if you're asphyxiating it doesn'
t follow you're a bad person thereby.)
mircea_popescu: the father who can'
t talk to his son, but enjoys "expressing himself" through their fishing together is just as mentally broken as a proper sadist, just in a different spot of what'd be a normallty working brain.
mircea_popescu: this is fetishism, in all cases : a ~substitute~, covering for an absence. a sadist isn'
t one who slaps the woman around if she talks out of turn ; nor one who enjoys pain and suffering. a sadist is one who can'
t function normally, and uses a highly structured substitute behaviour. these two factors, in order.
Mocky: that makes it sound like my theory could be proposing that while socialism isn'
t curable, maybe it can find the ones who "never really were"
mircea_popescu: and there's a healthy helping of
http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ in all of this : if your labels are ex-post-facto, you can'
t futurize on their basis lest you end up like the "global warming" muppets, "projecting" on "data" abvout the past that was extrapolated from the present.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, the problem with scotsman fallacy is that there's an unresolved duality. i don'
t propose that one's a) a scotsman for being born of scottish woman and AT THE SAME TIME b) a scotsman because not an irredeemable asshole. i'm just going with b, and that's logically sound.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 03:22 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817310 << fucking can'
t have 1600s style "examinations on the doctrine of the faith", chiefly because of goedel's objection. our doctrine is not actually either complete or coherent.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:22 mircea_popescu: MEANWHILE, however, they have 100% unaccounted for the time externality. so basically it's a contest consisting of a guy without legs going about finding fault with people's fingers. because he's decided "legs don'
t count", and so as he has much better hands than the rest of those losers he should be captain of the football team.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since we're doing astrophysics : the largest conceivable power plant / ecological disaster would be, of course, collapsing galactic objects (ie, stars) into galaxy cores (ie, black holes, practically). for instance, pushing the sun into saggitarius would conceivably yield a gross of about 10^40 or so J in a relatively short timespan. certainly wouldn'
t cost as much. (an intermediate step to this being
http://trile danielpbarron: don'
t black holes emit radiation? and does that make them not stable?
Mocky: I've noticed lately that google has some results that it damn well doesn'
t want to give me... all the results say "missing search term" for what ever I searched for, even when I put a + infront. but it *has* my results and if i repeat the search term 3 or for times in the query eventually relents and shows me
mircea_popescu: (re hydrogen, for the young'uns : the only stable state in material system of universe is black hole. which is why black hole is even important theoretically -- universe having stable state means it won'
t last)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, how are they to ~stay~ in the state ? see, that's the thing, "free floating hydrogen" as a theoretical possibility. sure, why not. "free floating hydrogen as a STABLE STATE"... well... no such theoretical possibility. it can'
t be a stable state for very clear reasons.
mircea_popescu: dude suffered for a while from this "i don'
t wanna X!!!" syndrome, as if anyone was in any danger of asking anything like it. "i don'
t wanna go to the prom!!!" "fatty... who's asking you to ?!"
mircea_popescu: who could have predicted people don'
t stop shitting just because "the people" is unprepared to handle it.
mircea_popescu: much like byzantines imagined mongols come over to steal the "true cross" because it's so fucking valuable in their eyes. because how couldn'
t it be. and so on.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you don'
t understand. the principal wank of ustarded princess is that ~someonew wants her useless snatch~.
mircea_popescu: this doesn'
t mean bugless soups are impossible ; nor does it mean all soups you ever ate are bugless.
mircea_popescu: so now i can'
t eat my soup anymore. "should i not have said anything ?"
mircea_popescu: this isn'
t a judgement of value. it's just a description aite ?
mircea_popescu: eh, i don'
t imagine anyone but alf could seriously contemplate the "fabrication difficulties". gimme a break, i can and have bought machining tools that'd have been worth "hal;f the empire" in 1935 for a pittance. they make complex shaped metal sheets, and are cheap as fuck
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'm just picking on him. but anyway -- very large leverages are in fact both experimentally demonstrated and theoretically predicted. and the "someone else" argument is not germane -- i didn'
t specify who joe is ; if you object to my presumption that you'd be willing to work by including you, by all means, we could say sally instead. you think that does anything ?
mircea_popescu: it is not. consider -- i can (even thouigh ben_vulpes apparently can'
t) spin up endless instances of whatever boxen, notwithstanding "such a thing as the self-packing os was posed by neumann and stays where it was posed" bla bla.
mircea_popescu: robotization is a fact ; modern factories don'
t need workers ; and the robots are not made by fucking hand, no.
mircea_popescu: dude i couldn'
t care less what chinese are trying to emulate white man working economy on.
mircea_popescu: some of the things that don'
t work don'
t work because no you/joe, and some don'
t work because IN SPITE of you-joe there werealso some orcs involved.
mircea_popescu: peon hands haven'
t seen a stitch of honest work in decades.
mircea_popescu: sure, you don'
t. the reason you don'
t is cuz you didn'
t put one in. nothing else.
mircea_popescu: same thing you say, can and is said by today's neet. "i don'
t have microscope in house lel"
mircea_popescu: see, that's the meaning of stalin-couldn'
t, by 80s, feasible.
mircea_popescu: that "person in charge" doesn'
t know this, speaks as to the incredible decay of explicit understanding -- by the time you lack the words and preformed expressions to describe necessity you've fallen into pre-literate times ; unequal to herodotus.