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mircea_popescu: no, i am in full agreement. it's not fixable for
a while yet.
mircea_popescu: all i'm sayin' is that the current "better" solution to that problem is
a) worse and b) unspecifiedly so.
mircea_popescu: the point fucking stands : the only correct solution to the problem is have nodes keep
a table of balances.
mircea_popescu: if i were anyone else other than me i'd have
a head the size of kamcheatka by now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the correct solution is to keep
a table.
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:15:36; mircea_popescu: gotta get
a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make
a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 23:57:31; mircea_popescu:
a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 23:42:35; mircea_popescu: i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign
a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it.
mircea_popescu: this is the correct format for
a bitcoin transaction : "address i[1..n] send their total contents as follows : B1 to address j1, B2 to address j2, Bm to address jm. therefore signed."
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> no, because <mircea_popescu>
a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. << once one's accepted [some of] the others no longer are discussing an address that has the btc.
mircea_popescu: well... so bitbet update : we went from "bitcoin is broken, will be fixed at an unspecified future date no earlier than 2020" to "bitcoin is borken, we might have
a circumvention in place before the year is out".
mircea_popescu: gotta get
a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make
a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc.
☟︎ kakobrekla: > unconfirmed transactions relating to your own wallet addresses are stored not only in the memory pool, but in wallet.dat, so
a restart won't clear them. To accomplish that, you can start bitcoind with the recently added -zapwallettxes option. This will cause bitcoind to forget all transactions associated to your addresses, and rescan the block chain to reconstruct them. In particular, any unconfirmed transactions will be forgotten and
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla fancy, "use
a backup". yes, i have backups. and how the fuck do i identify which payments of the HUGE batch of bitbet payments for end of year were made and which weren't, so i don't end up doublepaying ?
kakobrekla: yes you need to remove bad txes from wallet.dat by removing them with some wallet inspector tool or use
a backup from before bad txes came in
pete_dushenski: reliant robin is an excellent example of bitcoin as it works today : looks to have the right parts but has them in the wrong order and as
a result it doesn't quite work as intended. compare this with the morgan 3-wheeler, which is perhaps where trb is headed, which has the same parts, but not welded together by apes.
mircea_popescu: nah, he drove
a sort of british trabant. kept causing someone else's robin to overturrn
kakobrekla: anyway i have
a headache and im hungry so bbl.
kakobrekla: no, because <mircea_popescu>
a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
kakobrekla: if it werent so you could just phuck
a txid and respend the address multiple time given it has balance
jurov: i messed that up as usual... so adgain: input is:
a hash of
a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction.
pete_dushenski: also, "mircea_popescu: Fucking horrid terminology, we really shouldn’t be in
a situation where input and output means the same thing."
jurov: input is
a reference to an output from
a previous transaction. output is:
a hash of
a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction.
☟︎ danielpbarron:
a transaction must refer to specific other transactions, or is
a miner supposed to decide which coin days to destroy?
mircea_popescu:
a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: then you should say "i see
a doublespend on your input for tx d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9"
kakobrekla: you make
a txid T1 which gets phucked and your wallet ends up with
a confirmed T2 and unconfirmed T1. this T1 stays in the wallet forever if you dont do anything to it. the client may select that never-to-be-confirmed T1 change address at any time in the future if you dont not-use it specifically.
punkman: so you used
a 6+ conf output that got orphaned or what?
mircea_popescu: in fact, if anything can change output address, or if
a third party can invalidate
a valid txn i signed, bitcoin is dead.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla transactions consist of
a signed bitcoin address. not of
a signed bitcoin txnid.
kakobrekla: the wallet keeps broken tx (
a double spend attempt) and can use it for the next tx which wont go through, ever.
kakobrekla: it was clear for
a long time its broked.
mircea_popescu: i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign
a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yes, d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 has
a single input, from 1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx
mircea_popescu: all my inputs are actual inputs as found in
a block, not implicit inputs as found in
a txn
kakobrekla: you want to adapt
a pile of cpp crud ?
mircea_popescu: but yeah, it's what floored me, dude you're riding
a chainsaw now ?!
phf: they seemed to have made
a bunch of very nice bolt actions including an m38 version
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was saying : nono, no bash yet, you missed the punchline. he bought himself
a.... husqvarna!
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: it's more that all the idiots already have $800 iphn0es that works just fine thank you very much. new one isn't much better, watch is not cool. so : peak smartphone is
a reality
thestringpuller: cause its
a tracker in your pocket and I see you being
a private man.
thestringpuller: when you push to blockr.io it detects
a bad input and says "I won't relay this"
thestringpuller: i'll check it out in
a second (don't have
a full node at disposal atm)
jurov: also, it's interesting that noone voiced on #b-
a happens to be around to analyze this situation better
BingoBoingo: So did Bitbet get tricked by
a double spend?
ascii_butugychag: this is
a pretty good idea for
a student project - write
a thingy that connects to
a node and asks for
a tx
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:09:38; pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357379 <--> "The price tag for housing, feeding and caring for
a prisoner in California has climbed to almost $64,000 annually, up from $49,000 five years ago. Per prisoner, the state spends more than three times the amount it did 20 years ago when the population was
a similar size."
jurov: sigh. namecheap is really
a caricature now. clicked refresh icon in the domains list, and it replied:
☟︎ pete_dushenski: "When asked why the corrections budget hasn’t decreased, California officials often point to
a court order to improve inmate medical care. In 2013, responding to the mandate, the state opened
a new medical facility in Stockton, called the California Healthcare Facility, designed for inmates needing long-term inpatient medical care and intensive mental health services. The facility costs approximately $295 million
a assbot: Logged on 31-12-2015 15:35:16; asciilifeform: so to return to mircea_popescu's wild supposition, the answer is no - it is much CHEAPER to house
a prisoner or pay
a guard in usaschwitz than in, e.g., su
BingoBoingo: I dunno, that might work considering the trendy software shit functions as
a fiat blowoff valve
gribble: Error: 'FOGBANK' is not
a valid currency code.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> it was trotted out prematurely and made
a bit of
a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now << July 4th was DER encoding. I don't think that involved low-s. Low-s panic was
a bunch of derps malleating to high-s and since power ranger client defaulted to low-s
a bunch of services that did the zero-conf thing Gox-paniced, because no one could expect. Power rangers then established malleate to low-s nodes.
ascii_butugychag: if mircea_popescu's ego cock at least fits on
a cable spool, of the kind used to carry fiber on
a truck, wolfram's - only fits in the bilge of
a 1890s cable-laying steamer
ascii_butugychag: 'This is annoying if, as sometimes happens, the most important aspect is
a singularity. Worse is the view offered by fans of the program (not necessarily WRI employees!) that an answer is correct because it is what Mathematica computes, and any view to the contrary is the fault of the user (perhaps for misunderstanding the documentation.)'
☟︎ ascii_butugychag: 'Most design errors from the earlier editions persist; indeed, some defenders of Mathematica seem to view the inevitable peculiar results of these decisions as correct: they are replacing long-standing problems of mathematics notation or convention with
a new understanding. This is an alternative world view in which an answer is said to be correct if it is “generic” and ignores sigularities.
ascii_butugychag: 'Quickutil is
a different approach to utility libraries. Instead of being
a single, monolithic library, e.g., Alexandria, it attempts to be
a nimble and lean platform for distribution of utilities piecemeal.'
ascii_butugychag:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361472 << l0l quickutil: 'An attempt at
a solution to this problem was to create what became the de facto standard library for Common Lisp utilities: Alexandria. While Alexandria contains on the order of 100 high quality, useful utilities, it suffers from
a very slow-moving oligarchy. Alexandria's improvement depends on their willingness to cooperate in
a timely manner
☝︎ ascii_butugychag: it was trotted out prematurely and made
a bit of
a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 14:52:14; BingoBoingo: But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just
a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s.
ascii_butugychag: and naturally we get the usgtronics: 'As usual, the fact that it's possible to implement
a dangerous algorithm correctly, doesn't mean it's humanely possible, and safer algorithms (and primitives) must always be preferred. (See also: deterministic ECDSA.)'
BingoBoingo: On
a judge arrested for DWI: "Asked if he had
a lawyer, he said, “I do, but he’s not going to talk to you.”" (Lawyer being himself)
BingoBoingo: It's too early in the morning. I'm confused and clearing out
a form of spam.
BingoBoingo: Not sure, but that comment has me thinking mebbe
a wrong input tx id is somehow junking the big tx
BingoBoingo: But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just
a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s.
☟︎ adlai: PSA for the guy(s) running the single-satoshi-net-fee makers... you wil LITERALLY DOUBLE YOUR PROFITS if you increase to
a 2 satoshi net fee.
BingoBoingo: "You're bleeding too much, I need to cut you" -
A Surgeon