asciilifeform: it is very easy to describe a working scheme, and afaik pretty much all of these variants are in use somewhere. but all have same set of problem.
asciilifeform: yer still stuck with ffiism tho, i.e. can't even open socket to receive input from apache w/out it.
asciilifeform: 'hunchentoot' etc. are almost always run 'behind' apache as it is ( so static files serve up faster )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's been tried, 'cl as script lang', bog slow cuz bringing it up ( cl on x86 is moar or less halfbaked lispm emulator ) takes time.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the folx who 'i went to 7 countries! i.e. ate 'bigmac' in 7 diff. mcdonaldsen' ? that's exactly it.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform came to conclusion 'build new irons' decade ago not because masochist, but because direly overdue sole solution to whole slew of otherwise-intractable problem.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: while we sit on unix, we will inevitably 'bake whoknowswhat loli'
asciilifeform: recall naggum's summary, in reply to similar thrd : went sumthing like 'it is correct that unix does not support commonlisp. but it in fact does not properly support ~anything~.'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this isn't even false. the illusion, however, is that 'c links natively, write c proggy' is some kinda improvement.
asciilifeform: nao a foot of bottle 'cultural layer'. d00d walks in, and hey wainot take a shit on it.
asciilifeform: nao has 6 inch of cig butts. wai not, then , throw bottles.
asciilifeform: floor thoroughly enpissed. so wai not also throw cig butt on it.
asciilifeform: consider how this comes about. toilet clogged, dunno, some time in 1990 perhaps. so folx pissed on floor.
asciilifeform: recall how it had rubbish 2 feet deep ?
asciilifeform: first gotta fully describe the atrocity, so as it is not repeated in future. mp_en_viaje recall that shoemaker-era defunkt public toilet in timis 3 blocks from 'kaufland' ?☟︎
asciilifeform: it's a primo demo of how linux idjicy is contagious.
asciilifeform: those, are cuz 0 standardized abi on linux . so instead various horrors where gcc is invoked, a small c proggy is shat out in realtime, built, then jumped into.
asciilifeform: which particular piece of braindamage is this in re: ? ( e.g. sbcl, does have a -- ugly, but working -- ffi knob, hence how it does in fact let you open socket etc )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why which ? why open sockets by talking to linux ? i agree, the Right Thing would be a cltron that drives nic directly etc.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911347 << last time i surveyed the available items (~decade ago) 'hunchentoot' turned out to be the only 1 that wasn't fatally defective in some obvious way (some of the alternatives wouldn't build at all, others -- wouldn't use iron threads on x86; yet others missing some large piece , e.g. custom eggog pgs , etc ) but it's been a while☝︎
asciilifeform: ( why not standardized, was touched on here and possibly elsewhere )☝︎
asciilifeform: phf described this in detail, in prev. threads.
asciilifeform: for bonus ugly, it aint in the cl standard.
asciilifeform: ( in particularly egregious cases -- is used to call not merely kernelisms, but entire chunks of c-built binariolade, e.g. db systems etc )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'foreign function interface', i.e. mechanism for calling unixisms (socket, fileism, mmapism, etc)
asciilifeform: the remainder, quite valuable (e.g. preconditions, which tightened, rather than loosened, semantics )
asciilifeform: meanwhile in entirely unrelated lulz, asciilifeform came across a 1984 edition of barnes's ada at flea market , and it's ~pocket-sized . i suspect that if one were to write a 'tmsr ada' dead tree, would look ~similar roughly☝︎
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i thought the mega-virtue of oklahomistan is where it is largely empty
asciilifeform dug up at one pt the 'plaintext' details, but usa is 1 of those batshit anglo 'case law' jurisdictions, and asciilifeform dun have the time/inclination to saw through the various paywalls to try an' interpret the necessary 100MB+ of crapola
asciilifeform: i've been inside the 'scientology' church in dc, it is luxurious (and utterly batshit) item . so surely cannot be much of obstacle, this.
asciilifeform: do they send surprise inspectors to 'see if yer churchy enuff' ?
asciilifeform: iirc the chinese had some sorta hack for this also.
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, and may have noted prev., arbalest is a++ trashpanda solver, but slow reload, quite inadequate if you have a herd of 3-4 to dispatch )
asciilifeform: gotta be. i dun have the freud-fu to say exactly how tho.
asciilifeform: and much better ergonomics than this 12th century lol.
asciilifeform: nfi how one might come upon this notion ( want to eat projectile , but not wake up neighbours ? ) but e.g. arbalest entirely adequate to go through left temple and out of right, is ~fiddybux.
asciilifeform: mcarthur -- banned song. today, again it is sung, in what passes for jp navy. entirely above-board.
asciilifeform: let's illustrate. 'umi yukaba', jp naval anthem, '37 and on. 'if i go to sea / i shall be a washed up corpse. / if i go to the mountains / a corpse i shall be in the grass / but as i die for the emperor / i will have no regret ' roughly.
asciilifeform: ' I am a corpse looking for a place to drop when this is over ' << aaha
asciilifeform: well no, that's the funny bit, the angle of 'hey cannon fodder, wanna die honourably for emperor?' angle was muchly in place already then.
asciilifeform: if tokkotai brigade had somehow formed in '41, and not '44, when ~nuffin left with wings still attached, could have easily sunk entire usg navy.
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt -- the orig. kamikazes were not 'just anyone', but recruits with top marks and gold reccs. at one time dozen or so takers to erry spot. )
asciilifeform: ( come to think of it, i dun recall at any point mp_en_viaje travelogue where 'this-here country has a++ bsdm!' -- this ever even existed ? )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what was it like in the old days ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911126 << iirc mircea_popescu gave this very same algo for 'how ideally to organize v-branches of proggy'. it remains unclear to asciilifeform why you would want to do this for name/ip tuples tho.☝︎
asciilifeform: Mocky: re vpatches -- as i understand, the contemplated structure is a linear chain, and 'siblings' could only occur in event of schisms/civil war , rather than as a regular thing☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: Mocky: iirc mircea_popescu's scheme centers around a return to the good ol' days when ~all~ names could be found on a given machine's /etc/hosts (or equiv.) -- so one ~could~ in principle use a very slow mechanism to sync'em, and it'll still work in practice. ( tho i also would rather avoid cementing tcpisms into future design of whatever type )☟︎
asciilifeform: potentially a 'symbiosis' that could live for many yrs, neither ingredient is likely to run out any time soon
asciilifeform: dorkmarkets consist on 1 end of usg honeypot and on other, of redditards entirely tired -- apparently -- of living , is afaik all there is to it
