121100+ entries in 0.072s
mod6: if it does it again, we'll
take a look
mod6: <+asciilifeform> e.g. sitting and processing
tx, and simply nobody gave it any new blocks ? << yes, looks
this way. was heavily loading
the mempool with shit
mod6: well, probably wasn't "stuck" just
takig a long
time or whatever.
mod6: in other news, got within 2 blocks of HEAD lastnight... never quite did make it...
then for some reason fell like 80 blocks behind while stuck on a block.
mod6: maybe
the more specific with 'a' and 'b' is
the
ticket
tho
mod6: anyway,
thing i was
talking about before had: /^(--- | \+\+
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck
this is brokeneder
than originally imagined.
mircea_popescu: are you actually saying "well mp, ~maybe~ bits exist outside of anyone looking at
them, but sure as fuck
they do not exist outside of bytes, as currently
the situation stands" ?
phf: well,
then you can't arbitrarily say
that big endian system is illogical because it has little endian bit order but big endian byte order.
mircea_popescu: i can discuss bit order irrespective of
the fact
that systems implement byte addressing. i must.
mircea_popescu: i don't agree
that implementation limits my power of representation.
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't
think it makes sense
to
talk about bit order on any of
the architectures
that we're discussing, since you can only address by bytes. big endian systems could have little endian bytes and you would never know, likewise little endian systems could have big endian bytes and you would never know. logically
though
there's no reason you can't view big endian
to be a bit reverse of little endian
BingoBoingo: Well,
that everything we dig into
turns into shit upon examinition show how great of a handicap not having a republic is.
mircea_popescu: i can't conceive who
the fuck else was ever equipped
to
touch
this shit.
mircea_popescu: ah come on,
the bits exist whether you're looking at
them or not.
mircea_popescu: the fact
that you choose
to have your ide replace all ifs with :-) is your fucking problem.
mircea_popescu: but
this is a problem of display not of ontology, on small endian box.
mircea_popescu: in bigendian notation, ~SOME~ subsets of bits will be found before an equally sized subset of higher order bits and after an equally sized subset of lower order bits ; and ~SOME~
the other way ; and what
the magic size cutoff is VARIES.
mircea_popescu: in smallendian notation, for every subset of bits however selected,
they will be found before an equally sized subset of higher order bits and after an equally sized subset of lower order bits.
mircea_popescu: but don't you find
that one's logically consistent whereas
the other's logically inconsistent ?
phf: right, i'm more saying
that neither have merit, and
the only reason
there's a narrative is because you have
to have one or
the other, and by nature of having both in
theory you have both in practice
mircea_popescu: phf so you are actually saying
that
there's some kind of way
to look at
the situation
that has both endian notations stand on equality footing ?
phf: it's a completely arbitrary decision,
that has a bunch of cons and pros based on
time, hardware, architecture, etc. etc. big iron used
to be bigendian, micros were primarily little endian, both for reasons
phf: i find all arguments pro or cons unconvincing, as encoded by elders i nthe very name, which is a reference
to gulliver's
travels
phf: so while i
think lack of bigendian will create immediate problems for people (e.g. no vdiff/vpatch on g5 machines for
trinque, untill he patches it himself), i don't
think it's not historically supported
mircea_popescu: the interesting point here is
the mandate, ie, do you actually object
to our saying "bignum is evil and get rid of it"
mircea_popescu: obviously one could patch
the eucrypt
to work on his box if for some reason he wants
to (though i can't imagine who'd be running eulora client of ppc machine, but anyways).
phf: mircea_popescu: our current strategy with architecture support has been "it works on my machine, but if you want it
to work on your machine submit a vpatch", and it's been pretty consistently applied (e.g. my openbsd patch
that's been floating independently, despite never getting vpatched).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do a "cosmetics" at
the end of
the story, by
then oyu'll have a proper vdiff
phf: he's saying he can't fix it with any of
the published vdiff's since i haven't published anything yet
trinque: hasn't much
to do with
the endian, more
to do with "amount of shit bolted
to side" and "recent enough
to do actual work upon"
trinque has a 4-core g5 xserve right here he was planning
to ship
to bbisp
mircea_popescu: phf i am aware. do you actually want
to make
this an objection ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-28 15:24 mircea_popescu: in other news,
to share with
the group for comment :
the idea is
that even if we do mandate smallendian, it would still be proper
to have a bitwise implementation, even were it slow, as a proper model of sorts. so it'd be both of
these.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-28#1777688 <<
there's a handful of lords
that are running ppc hardware, which is big endian.
there's also sparc,
that like ppc, is a somewhat saner cpu
than x86, and
that can be had for cheap for server etc. purposes
☝︎ mircea_popescu: yeah i found
that
too, but yes,
this is a reference not
the
thing
a111: Logged on 2014-10-14 15:14 mircea_popescu:
the entire "monsanto increases yields" fallacy is based on
the fraudulent proposition
that shit-tomatoes are =
tomatoes.
BingoBoingo: The difference between
the standard
trade
tomatoe here and en Estados Unidos is vast
mircea_popescu: i recall it as a conversation between us, you were saying something and
that was my retort.
a111: Logged on 2014-10-15 19:56 asciilifeform: another observation re: qntra. recall mircea_popescu's point about synthetic
tomatoes?
mircea_popescu: me
too, buyt apparently neither apples nor
tomatoes not dioxin were mentioned,
though i vaguely recall all
three
mircea_popescu: ie 0 ppm all of
the various pollutants,
there's no "tolerable" level.
mircea_popescu: that we were discussing current costs of items, and i said for
today's crate of
tomato
to be compared
to past's crate of
tomato, it has
to be biologically identical,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you happen
to have a link
to
the original "how much would a crate of
tomatoes cost"
thread ?
mircea_popescu: in other news,
to share with
the group for comment :
the idea is
that even if we do mandate smallendian, it would still be proper
to have a bitwise implementation, even were it slow, as a proper model of sorts. so it'd be both of
these.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-10-11 20:43 BHopkins: I
think I did it right: 12taDFRdimNTHx1xoUkUZWj3nrE4js6LM6
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, will schedule dreaming eulora spec machine
then
mircea_popescu: i pay
teh airfare you pay
the steaks&tampons, you got yourself a[nother] vacation eh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so 3 of yours |AND FIVE OF MINE,
this should justify
the
trip
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform would be an one-time
thing. but hey, you get
to see uruguay. it's jenuinely not bad, can go for a week,
take pet on
trip
to bsas for a few days...
the city is lovely if one doesn't mean
to stay << Rocha, Cabo Polonia, and Colonia are all highly recommended by
the vacationers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would be an one-time
thing. but hey, you get
to see uruguay. it's jenuinely not bad, can go for a week,
take pet on
trip
to bsas for a few days...
the city is lovely if one doesn't mean
to stay
BingoBoingo: Everyone I have
talked
to here is a fan of
the suitcase method. "when we fly
to Miami everyone comes out of
the woodwork with a shopping list"
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : hey diana_coman it is upon you
to produce a dreamspec eulora machine nao. hit me.
mircea_popescu: maybe we get alf
to send you his pet for a week or so. petexchange programme.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's wrong with fedexing it! << Box
that enters
the country via FEDEX is going
to certainly get hit with customs and
the 22% IVA. Box
that comes in suitcase is almost certainly going
to get waved
through as a personal effect. It's a math problem of whether
to pay an import duty or plane
ticket.
BingoBoingo: Shipping addresses sent
to
those who requested it.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo:
The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo:
The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this is going
to be a standard retort now, "shut up so-and-so, i bet you don't even understand hair
theory!"