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asciilifeform: the most agonizing thing in this example is that i am quite unsure if the ills are even curable. they may be intrinsic to the 'in-band problem' of a terminal talker.
asciilifeform: if somebody would like to recommend some proggy for speaking to serial ports that 1) isn't gnu screen 2) doesn't shit all over the living room precisely like gnu screen 3) doesn't have 'gui' --- i'm all ears.
asciilifeform: most infuriatingly, the manual specifies various ways to kill it, which, depending on what it is plugged into, may or may not work. and may or may not emit some sort of mortal piss down the line, which could be connected to a nuke for all knows, before death.
asciilifeform: nor is it easily killed in-band, because it is a terminaltron and expects C-c etc.
asciilifeform: (thing hangs on to a pty, so will not die simply from, e.g., nuking the xterm from which you ran it)
asciilifeform: and dozens of dead 'gnu screens' typically hang around on a box where it is made use of.
asciilifeform: which, unlike a sane program, cannot be easily terminated from the outside, though it is a userland process
asciilifeform: to briefly continue the unix-is-retarded thread, there is the marvel of gnu screen.
asciilifeform: i'd relish seeing N implementations, in N+1 langs, like we had for 'v'.
asciilifeform: shinohai: enjoy
asciilifeform: no subshell.
asciilifeform: runs in current shell. so exit(1) exits...
asciilifeform: . in bash == 'source'
asciilifeform: noshit
asciilifeform: it ain't linux - esp. not with the weird broken gui on it
asciilifeform: burn ubuntu. with flamethrower. problem -- solved.
asciilifeform: what does a script with just exit 1 do ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: all 4 of'em ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-30#1550771 << waiwat?! running on what ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: i've yet to see 5 do much other than barf
asciilifeform: woah 5
asciilifeform: i thought it was normally a dragon.
asciilifeform: and dumb enough for it to be obvious ?!
asciilifeform: what were these, no-shows ?
asciilifeform: pretty typical, imho, example.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Ucy0Y << american wanker 'gets it,' but 'doesn't like getting it'
asciilifeform: pernatural belonging earned him the impossibly ironic nickname of “Gandhi” among his men.'
asciilifeform: derous authority, Dirlewanger, paradoxically, was also very close to his men. He had a tendency to use informal language and address them by their first names, which was extremely unusual for a German officer. He drank with them, he raped and murdered with them, acted as if he was one of them. He also fought with them, making a point of being in the action far more than most officers of his rank. His calm under fire and his nearly su
asciilifeform: in other lulz, '...And as commander he was given special permission by Heinrich Himmler to discipline his men however he wished, up to and including executing them. This was an extraordinary privilege for an officer of the German Army, which normally had judicial procedures like any other military force. In the entire millions-strong Wehrmacht, only Dirlewanger had this authority, and he used it liberally... But while he had this mur
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?!'
asciilifeform: 'don't car loan', 'don't mortgage', ...
asciilifeform: non-participations in various idiocies
asciilifeform: but they are shaped like 'don't's
asciilifeform: actually, at least here in the motherland of p.t. barnum, there are countless '5k bills' on the ground
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these same folk are equally insufferable when their budget is 100k, it is a mental thing
asciilifeform: somewhat like a livelier current-day #bitcoin-assets
asciilifeform: old, fossilized corpse of ???.
asciilifeform: 'money is what beer is bought with,' '100 $ laptop,' 'stop logging us,' etc.
asciilifeform: these folk achieve a rare combination of boredom and actively-infuriating 'sanitation is an affront to the great serpent!11' unwashed orcdom.
asciilifeform: actually that was when i closed.
asciilifeform sifted through a day's worth of 'cat-v' shitpile, found it quite sufficient
asciilifeform: and talking gorillas, etc
asciilifeform: had parallel universe with non-sucking usa
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was lulzy
asciilifeform: mod6: neato
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550626 << lol BingoBoingo i have this in dead tree ☝︎
asciilifeform bbl - meat!
asciilifeform: http://woodcoin.xyz/woodcoin/today << lelz, apparently funkenstein made his own chan, a while ago, complete with logs, bots, etc. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: lolk.
asciilifeform: that was sorta the point
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: didja work through the exercise ?
asciilifeform: then realized that 'bonsai' versions of objectionable large things will inevitably grow into the selfsame objectionable large thing.
asciilifeform: at one time i took an interest in plan9
asciilifeform: nfi
asciilifeform: was apparent 30 seconds in.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550582 << struck me as an entire pit full of nubbinses. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762&cpage=1#comment-17924 << meanwhile, some folx luuvvv to complain.
asciilifeform: ( helps , i suppose, the wankers to pretend to be 'continuing', i suppose )
asciilifeform: or how about the thing where they insist on leaving no record of back when they were potentially interesting.
asciilifeform: happens.
asciilifeform: 3rd ?
asciilifeform: that'd be the, what, 2nd time someone 'you couldn't possibly be The Real mircea_popescu !111' , neh ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oh ffs, cat-v appears to be ~redditesque pigsty, i have nfi why to bother.
asciilifeform: gotta love imbecilistans.
asciilifeform: Sep 29 17:33:00 <khm> system working as intended'
asciilifeform: 'Sep 29 17:32:52 <mircea_popescu> well no, and i can't remedy that, because no logs.
asciilifeform: 'Sep 29 16:57:33 <dv-> keep your filthy buttcoins' << lol!
asciilifeform: they're all cached. the problem is that caching the stats page does little good, it changes
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550512 << depending on how long it's been since anybody loaded it, can take up to 30s... ☝︎
asciilifeform: care to paste?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it ain't logged anywhere, is it..?
asciilifeform: all of'em.
asciilifeform: fuck'em with red hot irons.
asciilifeform: or to treat the output of idiot cocklets from 1990s as if it were hardware.
asciilifeform: not only that, but that it is even CONCEIVABLE that i might have to care about some future browser wart.
asciilifeform: with flamethrower.
asciilifeform: fuck js and the horse it rode in on, and the ground under the horse, and the rock under the ground.
asciilifeform: ( not to mention, on plenty of my boxes it is NOT present )
asciilifeform: catvorg_cultist: telling me that it functions IDENTICALLY wherever present?!
asciilifeform: and keep in mind, not all files are created from hand-cranked operations
asciilifeform: like that 000000000....... thing from a few hrs ago
asciilifeform: BUG
asciilifeform: a bug triggered by a case that won't happen in 10,001 years is STILL A BUIG
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550461 << point is not that they are common, but that they are 1) possible and 2) change behaviours of various utils in nonsensical ways. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( forget, for a moment, that this violates the promise that had us accept there being an os to begin with )
asciilifeform: because the work of checking for error conditions ~still has to be done~, the os simply unloads it onto the back of programmer, and this could be lived with, except that it is ~not made possible~ for the programmer to unwind every possible condition.
asciilifeform: the 'minimalism' of unix - and yes, of plan9, and the entire c-os universe - is a cardboard sham
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537203 << ☝︎
asciilifeform: see also the thread re error codes
asciilifeform: !!up catvorg_cultist
asciilifeform: filenames - atomic.
asciilifeform: if i wanted to steer'em separately, i would and could run on bare iron.
asciilifeform: the point of even ~having the os~ to begin with is so that i do not have to steer the fuckingwheels separately.
asciilifeform: basic sanity ffs.
asciilifeform: filename is an atom except when i EXPLICITLY desire the opposite.
asciilifeform: because car where each wheel has to be steered separately belongs in the scrapyard. and its builder - in meatyard.
asciilifeform: this is more re the folly of trying to clean this cloaca maxima.
asciilifeform: tru
asciilifeform: and especially string operations that never see their null and fail to terminate!