asciilifeform: for n00bz and perhaps also for mircea_popescu , i will add the note here, that lisp folk don't generally ~read~ the parens, they read the indentation. this requires proper tools, such that the possibility of encountering misindented crapola is ~= 0.
asciilifeform: phf: interlisp had a graphical 'structure editor', i have never used it, and now i wonder if the {} thing was slightly less braindamaged given the context of having it.
asciilifeform: (in linked example, we get a transformation of commonlisp into a language with entirely different syntax and evaluation rules, 'while you wait!111')
asciilifeform: sometimes a localized bit of custom notation is the only reasonably-compact abstraction.
asciilifeform: i like having the [], {}, etc. available for readtableisms.
asciilifeform: that was one of the off-putting things, actually, re the clojure people, why did they have to clobber every key on the keyboard
asciilifeform: and also because genera was a product of adults, rather than children, it is a sin specifically of the latter to obsess over very dubious 'optimizations' like 'super-paren {}'
asciilifeform: phf: this is largely because they introduced proper editing
asciilifeform: but to place it in the code, destroys the homoiconicity.
asciilifeform: now i COULD see mapping a key on kbd to 'shit out enough ) to balance'
asciilifeform: phf: i don't see how this is needed for fexprs
asciilifeform: or boxes fast enough to reindent 1000-line+ blocks every time the carriage return is hit
asciilifeform: e.g., colour terminal, where you can colourize parens
asciilifeform: to be fair, they did not have some of the things we have
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for some odd reason i cannot picture lafond in my mind as anything other than the character in the pathetic film 'the wrestler'.
asciilifeform: PeterL: aha, the pieces from the age of the typewriter are, interestingly, easier.
asciilifeform: (at least this is what my emulated mircea_popescutron is currently running with)
asciilifeform: i suspect that when mircea_popescu wakes up he will at least feel temptation to write up a 'modern school of comp sci' thing where 'you must find a paper and asciify it...' etc
asciilifeform: it is a curiously-inverted but still quite medieval situation, today we rescue ~paper~ by turning it into ascii.
asciilifeform: the parallels with medieval copyists invite themselves...
asciilifeform: and i cannot help but wonder, did PeterL end up grokking the paper in the process of massaging it
asciilifeform: 'No FUCKING Windows updates! No VIRUSES! No blue screens. Not even a "Guru Meditation" or 3 bombs... Just a working horse. That's what a computer supposed to be for you.'
asciilifeform: 'This C64C used by a small auto repair shop for balancing driveshafts has been working non-stop for over 25 years! And despite surviving a flood it is still going...'
asciilifeform: 'Система YLisp использует динамический контекст для tag-меток и имен блоков. Как следствие, в лексическом замыкании сохраняются лишь лексические связи переменных (и лямбда-выражение). Отсутствуют также лексические функции и макросы (flet, macrol
asciilifeform: thing is also handy for driver reversers - it can actually boot winblowz
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-02#1551344 << anyone who claims to be doing os or bios dev and does not have this instrument is deaf and blind. but if you aren't into either, then it is just a very threadbare comp.☝︎
asciilifeform: or that it does not contain subtle lie (this is a problem with every single example extant, including the one linked earlier, they have subtle deviations from what the actual silicon does, we know this from YEARS of thankless sweat by various linux folk)
asciilifeform: how do i verify that $chipdoc is not only correct but ~complete~, much less the ~original~..?
asciilifeform: (you gotta power it via that hole anyway.)
asciilifeform: i recommend to - at first - use only the usb-serial hole.
asciilifeform: (thing is not built to be driven by two machines at 1ce)
asciilifeform: aaah and i almost forgot, there is another possible problem. if the box you plugged the serial cable into has pissed down the line, anything whatsoever, the ethernet interface will be confounded
asciilifeform: (the stock version is ~useless with mips, for instance)
asciilifeform: i have a gigantic collection of working and nonworking ones
