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asciilifeform: prolly the way to unkludge it would be to give the various elements of the page, own urls, somehow.
mircea_popescu: i dun see it in a design perspective ; heck, i actually doin't even see the problem with php. (by the time you're protesting a text preprocessor being used as a systems language your problem is not properly speaking with the tool).
asciilifeform: not the header; nor that posts are editable (i've added errata edits to mine, etc) , but rather the ugliness of the kludge stack
asciilifeform: originally url was supposed to work like phuctor urls worked
asciilifeform: recall the thread with the url abstraction
asciilifeform: ( where we pretend that we're serving up files, but really generate on the fly )
asciilifeform: the whole 'dynamic pages' thing is a terrifying hack on classical http ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but consider if you will the problem of dynamic content. every one (of what, 10k ?) pages on trilema changes at least once a day (header), and so on. what now ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:49 asciilifeform: phf: imho 'what, if anything changed' is a q that oughta be answered by a mechanism that can do it, when (as often is) wanted for the ~entire site~ compactly
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779585 << i suspect the ~only reason this is not in the standard is ~nobody wants to confront just about how little they actually have to say. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: namesilo says they advertise ~15 mins, ftr.
mircea_popescu: ok, you have 3 a records now, empty to that and a ns1 ns2 as quoted.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 20:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pardon my thickness, where do you want qntra ns pointed again ? ideally in the format ns1= ns2=
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779773 << 161.0.121.253 have a ns1.qntra.net set up there and a ns2.qntra.net at 161.0.121.252 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in other sadnesses, why the fuck do the spanish oversalt the anchovies paste.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:40 phf: i suspect local orcs have alternative paths for procurement, was sop in russia in the 90s. you could go to "official dealer" type place and pay 10x, or you would haggle for price at Gorbushka, bazar style
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779566 << usually shop at end of campus. << Spanish Class with the Venezolana this evening was an survey of local retailers that don't catalog ☝︎
asciilifeform: yea wasn't thinking of 'shoe vat'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the push button at boot.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:41 asciilifeform: phf: i strongly suspect that nobody but gringo rubes ever order from these Official catalogues, or pay ANY vat, EVER
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779569 << i paid about 6-8% of the vat i conceivably owed in argentina ; mostly in the shape of "who the fuck's gonna bother with the 80 cent surcharge on this pair of ho's stockings" ☝︎
asciilifeform: or is this re the 'push button at boot' item
asciilifeform: oh hm mircea_popescu found the screen brightness magic number ?
asciilifeform: tho i have nfi , possibly modern ru also has something of the kind
asciilifeform: ( they have errything from electron microscope to crapple )
mircea_popescu: and, continuing elitebook thread, now that alf fixed it for me it's actually worth the money.
asciilifeform: aaactually university surplus is top source of gear for asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: phf problem with that item is that it always has counterstrike videocards rarely server rack mobos.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i already found that i had a 1U intel 'xeon' box, also usable , from years ago...
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 13:56 mp_en_viaje: in other "thanks goodness computer means programmable machine", i have here this hp elitebook. it has the backlight permanently welded to "retina cancer". the "function" key bs works for everything else EXCEPT setting the brightness, fn-f9 does 0.
mircea_popescu: i bought the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778739 item there, for instance. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:40 phf: i suspect local orcs have alternative paths for procurement, was sop in russia in the 90s. you could go to "official dealer" type place and pay 10x, or you would haggle for price at Gorbushka, bazar style
phf: mircea_popescu: i thikn that's what we're going to do, but i need to confirm my schedule. i'm still at the office, so i'll confirm in the morning
asciilifeform: srsly, picture this, 'i'ma let randos DELETE whatever file'
mircea_popescu: i dun think we need any delete.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma uncrate things, take pics, expect a roundup sunday night. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf you set on that 13th ?
phf: also if you guys haven't seem http methods from original http2, https://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/Methods.html TEXTSEARCH, CHECKOUT (like GET but locks the file), etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. let's make a list this weekend so we can action monday.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly. kinda why i want this as a collective effort.
asciilifeform: ( i wouldn't plug it in even 1nce, 'to try', without ripping out the flash and bsdizing )
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:36 asciilifeform: for comparison, 24core opteron with 256G ram , with 4 ssd disks ( 1TB total , 750 after raid ) , and with the raid card, costs me still < 1700.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779554 << understand the good part here : AFTER we're done building up the racks, we can prolly also sell them. certainly we own a valuable3 item by comparison to the orcs. ☝︎
phf: asciilifeform: well, it also doesn't have cgi/fastcgi so post would be somewhat pointless. i'm actually not sure what the strategy for post would be when there's no programmatic way to control it
asciilifeform: btw 'edgerouter' comes with unabashed nsa backdoor in the vendor's soft
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can 65% surcharge be not bad.
mircea_popescu: But $495 for a $300 in the US ubiquity Edgerouter Pro isn't too bad <<< i.... beg your pardon ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:25 trinque tries to remember if chunked transfer encoding is both ways with http, or only a response thing
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779533 << iirc after a decade trying to fix it it's almost both ways by now ☝︎
mircea_popescu: no clear way to sort by u-ness.
asciilifeform: this thing, prints little stickers for e.g. bottles
mircea_popescu: $1101+iva honeywell bar code reader too.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: demise of unix os is a thing to rattle swords pon bucklers 'bout
mircea_popescu: shellout to ls amirite.
mircea_popescu: classic or the whole sftp wank ?
mircea_popescu: kinda too lazy to check. but yes, put is ftp for http.
asciilifeform: PUT is oddball ancient thing, from before anyone even conceived of adding password or whatnot, 'hey, let's let user PUT items at arbitrary url on remote box' rather like ye olde warez ftp
asciilifeform: wp's text tool uploads with POST tho.
mircea_popescu: shellout is always inferior solution, you understand this, yes ?
mircea_popescu: i rather doubt this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your blog do when you upload pics, shellout to scp ?
asciilifeform: i dun think i've ever used PUT... hey trinque ? phf ? ever used ?
mircea_popescu: moving http from postcards to mail.
mircea_popescu: basically, people had a scheme, then started stuffing data in it (get was born) then stuffed so much discovered it really should go INSIDE the envelope not on it, so post was born
mircea_popescu: at least, that's how it was born.
asciilifeform: why exactly is the 'get with the params in a different encoding' needed tho
mircea_popescu: anyway, idea being post is closer to get than to put
mircea_popescu: put uploads a file, post makes a get with the params in a different encoding
asciilifeform: they do ~same thing ?
mircea_popescu: how are these the same thing ?
asciilifeform: phf: it isn't even clear to me why we need both PUT and POST
mircea_popescu: and the rurals really dun give a shit some dumb broad hoping to study criminology in maryland thinks
mircea_popescu: mod6 some fucking sense would help. but the truth is toucan is eaten here traditionally
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 22:30 asciilifeform: fwiw i'm still quite convinced that errything other than GET and PUT is ~= prb orphanage.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1780191 << fyi darkhttpd is missing POST (i grabbed it to see if i could trivially extend their verb dictionary, which i can) ☝︎
asciilifeform: thought 'hmm who lost server to bb gun...'
asciilifeform took a few sec to recall that this was about the bird
mod6: Sorry, got pulled off for a momemnt, just reading this thing. I dunno if they need laws for that kinda thing, just kinda not what is supposed to happen though.
mod6: They shot the thing with a fuckin bb gun, and it died extra slow. That kinda pisses me off.
ben_vulpes stomps floor, pounds table
mircea_popescu: opt out ofd the whole strings idiocy altogether
asciilifeform: but really there's no reason why a server needs unixclone os etc. build small bin with gnat, that knows how to run the nic, has basic ip stack.
asciilifeform: iirc trinque had an actual algo, but not posted yet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the tightening point may be the very merkle tree in question, which could, for instance, be directly the addressing scheme
asciilifeform: see, i want an os-less thing.
mircea_popescu: and it is a fact that a server's needs towards the disk are specific, specifiable, and very visibly different from "general purpose"
asciilifeform: right, internally emulated. this was part of asciilifeform's chalkboard sketch for 'sane http serv' in fact
mircea_popescu: tightening that bolt may deliver great results.
mircea_popescu: the other perhaps important point is that extant http servers have a very loose and distant relation to fs.
mircea_popescu: but yes, no argument that "modified" q being handled by timedate is beyond idiotic and has no future.
asciilifeform: aha, i think mircea_popescu gets it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, we're actually saying the exact same thing, i misunderstood what manifest you had in mind.
mircea_popescu: i don't care to hear "item was put here on incatime so and so" ; just let me know what its hash is.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:10 trinque: "do I already have the item at $path" and "how big is the item at $path" are interesting questions without the server beginning to transmit the item itself.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779491 << moreover, a hash rather than a date would be the correct response here. ☝︎
asciilifeform: beginning with 1 hash of whole thing
asciilifeform: if i want to know which of 10,000,000 files on a remote site changed, there is no fucking reason why i should have to download a list of 10,000,000 hashes, rather than binarysearch.
asciilifeform: i dun see the relation at all.
mircea_popescu: for the same reason "we cut gcc into more files, it is less big now" makes no sense.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:07 asciilifeform: then it oughta be in sections, and the sections in small manifest. merkle-style.