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diana_coman: asciilifeform, what do you say the result should be when the count is 0 ? (k as mircea_popescu says)
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> o shit, the matchsticks << funny enough, was just thinking about this yesterday.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 18:56 phf: mircea_popescu: i think that's when one of those arguments where poking at it we discover there's no any substantial disagreement. i think we're thinking of same thing but from slightly different direction. i was thinking whatever we come up with for graphics will still have a gui interface, where one can use a mouse, etc. to lay out and modify objects. in that case and given existing models a diff will produce a lot of mechanical noise, which is accid
asciilifeform: unrelatedly mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/in-care-taiem-in-carne-vie/#selection-409.32-409.858 is interesting.
asciilifeform: i'd be only mildly surprised if mircea_popescu revealed that he knew this function
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 14:50 mircea_popescu: in case anyone's curious, the 20 bux was for encouraging the folk who made viking age, which is a quite passible browser game. sorta old warcraft style graphically, othertwise a tower defense married to the old bonbon "city development" azn thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: either that or forgot to plug in mains, lol
sonic3: thank you asciilifeform and mircea_popescu
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 21:32 mircea_popescu: in any case ; i am notorious for a very poor memory, including complete inability to remember say actresses names.
phf: mircea_popescu: yeah, MIT/symbolics concerned themselves with these things too (the whole "presentation" concept is that of a entity that's equivalent between code, internal presentation and inline rendering)
phf: mircea_popescu: i think that's when one of those arguments where poking at it we discover there's no any substantial disagreement. i think we're thinking of same thing but from slightly different direction. i was thinking whatever we come up with for graphics will still have a gui interface, where one can use a mouse, etc. to lay out and modify objects. in that case and given existing models a diff will produce a lot of mechanical noise, which is accid ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 05:49 mircea_popescu: let's try and understand this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as the role only, to be filled by whichever of the available persons according to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ?
phf: mircea_popescu: no no, unrelated to the current actual svg experiment
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this goes all the way to the fact that we dun actually ~understand~ rsa ( in that there is no proof that you ~must~ factor to break ; or what the complexityclass of factoring is )
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform can read hexdump of x86 , mostly without hiccuping, and mircea_popescu prolly can read pdp11 oct dump, but yet for some reason folx pass around sources...
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure that was my idea :) restating what i'm trying to say is that i can derive meaning out of vpatch by reading it, but i'm not sure i can likewise derive meaning out of a svg diff by simply reading it. i suppose the assumption here is that svg was produced and edited by computer means, where imposing meaning on the sequence of modifications is not the primary (and often tricky) concern
asciilifeform: and in old thread mircea_popescu observed that it is almost same idea as in earlier 'postscript' .
phf: mircea_popescu: i think the differ and rendered for the ~diffs~ is significantly different from what our current foundation is. so in principle i don't see an issue with svg, as long as you can get the ~diff~ out of the vpatch itself, rather than say, pressing original, pressing new and then eyeballing the differences.
asciilifeform: this thread is incidentally pretty great , it is exactly the one from 2016 but with the sides switched. ( earlier it was mircea_popescu who insisted -- in the orig 'clearsigning' thread -- on human-eye-readables )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:33 mircea_popescu: trinque can you run <g id="graph0" class="graph" transform="scale(1 1) rotate(0) translate(4 15840.7)"> on a dataset composed of log link references / nick references ?
asciilifeform: much as i like sexpr, a sexpr dump of a vector drawing is not humanreadable either. at least not with my puny brain, i have nfi, perhaps mircea_popescu can render these in his head as he reads'em ?
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to hear how mircea_popescu would represent e.g. the fg schematic, in ideal vtron.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 02:05 mircea_popescu recalls somewhat fondly old days of "put the model in and wait a few hours for to find out how you fucked it up this time"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu will probably enjoy 'p' syntax. char codes 0-32 and 128-255 do nuffin at all.
mircea_popescu: exactly re <asciilifeform> ( who recalls the mircea_popescu tabs-spaces thread... )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like breaking things when something is gained thereby.
asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised that mircea_popescu hasn't yet thought of , e.g., anathemizing ascii in favour of own, arbitrary arrangement of alphabet, strictly for incompatibility's sake; or to proclaim the 17-bit byte...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz expand then ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is only meaningful concept if whole machine.
asciilifeform: ( who recalls the mircea_popescu tabs-spaces thread... )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:57 mircea_popescu: phf the correct approach to this is pre-diff filtering masks.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 17:13 mircea_popescu: and yes, the original holder threads were never meaningfully revisited. this is a 10yo suture wound with the first silks still attached.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, myeah, I suspect it's sloppiness, "but it's same thing"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 14:37 mircea_popescu: fucking "take moar oestrogen" confucius & "wanna hear our inept teenage boyish oneupmanships" zeo-dan derps.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 03:52 mircea_popescu does his usual s%\n\n%\r\r% s%\n% % s%\r\r%\n\n% while muttering underbreath about the idiocy of fucktards who STILL DON'T UNDERTAND NEWLINE STANDS FOR NEW PARAGRAPH!!11
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754215 << there's always a better path through history with retrospective power.
asciilifeform: ( and i concede the point to mircea_popescu , boat prolly does not work for the contemplated use , in the general case )
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu quickly figured out, asciilifeform's interest in boats is of a very peculiar kind, and not simply because he likes water.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754172 << why not ? great boating area, either you or girl ever saw uruguay ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 06:18 mircea_popescu: but yes, this comes with the necessity of considering eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751602 as "a coin has been minted" ; i don't see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753931 as anything other than an abstract rendering of the exact practical reality
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 06:10 mircea_popescu: 12k is almost human
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:37 mircea_popescu is thinking of actually starting a chivalry order.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 19:42 mircea_popescu: phf are you amenable to re-writing diff btw ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747792 is going to happen later this year, and v-immutability is a pita.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 01:10 mircea_popescu: it'd be literally a measure of social intercourse
asciilifeform: i have nuffin against mircea_popescu's beingimpressed.
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu already observed.
asciilifeform: and yes mircea_popescu this item is an attempt at the unified theory, rather than proposal for concrete cointron.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't cleat to me that wot isn't the troo solution to time. e.g. 'i'ma follow the multiverse mircea_popescu picks, and fuck everyone'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'don't be in a cave' is not solution ?
asciilifeform: so i'ma borrow mircea_popescu's orig argument, 'dont ever be isolatednode'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your picture seems to be a variant of the 'isolated node' argument. except nao with the sides reversed
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 02:08 phf: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu do we want to keep the exclude functionality? i sometimes use it in test runs, but this'll let me get rid of regex (for now anyway)
asciilifeform: but entirely possible that it was in my blind spot. so i'ma leave this here, and make moar detailed sketch if mircea_popescu asks , later.
asciilifeform: upstack re pow item : i'ma leave an observation for mircea_popescu ( and others, but he's prolly the one to crack this nut properly ) . consider how in classical bitcoin , pow is used for 2 entirely different and quite orthogonal items : initialcoindistribution, and rewindprotection (i.e. preventing history-rewriting) . it's a bulldog-rhinoceros. so q is, suppose that coin distribution somehow took place at t==0. do you still need po
phf: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu do we want to keep the exclude functionality? i sometimes use it in test runs, but this'll let me get rid of regex (for now anyway) ☟︎
asciilifeform: it uses an algo from an ancient mircea_popescu thread
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 16:22 mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con
asciilifeform: ( sucks for the reason, incidentally, that mircea_popescu already fingered , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745524 and elsewhere ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: humour me, how wouldja turn this into a pow
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider how phuctor decided which numbers are 'completely' phuctored , to begin with
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 22:30 mircea_popescu: http://yves.gallot.pagesperso-orange.fr/src/aks_gmp.html << supposed c++ impl ; though i have nfi who gallot fellow is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only 1 that might fit the shape of this item is the german 'research key' one
esthlos: mircea_popescu: right now I'm most comfortable in scheme, but I want to change that to common lisp
esthlos: mircea_popescu: alright. I've been thinking of writing a v implementation following http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 22:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what, m-r as found in gpg, with its "12" that are really 11 witnesses is worthlessly useless.
asciilifeform: or mircea_popescu was asking for other-than-ch1-3 ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 22:20 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone wanna implement agrawal-kayal-saxena ? esthlos ? apeloyee ?
esthlos: mircea_popescu: is there a preference on how I compute totient?
esthlos: mircea_popescu: if I can. what is it?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think this might be worth made into a knob in the code explicitly
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 4^-16 = 2.3283064365386963E-10
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 4^-12 = 5.9604644775390625E-8
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:34 mircea_popescu: or more properly speaking i suppose, can you v that thing so phf can then not plop into his ever-growing lisp visualizer because it's not written in lisp and tee hee ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oh i understand this, i also understand how fist fits in cunt doesn't mean i'm not entertained from time to time with the concrete item
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin but the critter's own word!11
asciilifeform: i r disappoint, i thought this was a jaguar , that mircea_popescu taught to use a keyboard
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (18775.0230839/15)**(1/6) = 3.282828562886639
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am hard pressed to think of any kind of tradesman ( outside of, i suppose, walmart gulag ) who has ~less~ to show for his years, than the typical tech d00d
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not hotels, the hostel.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW ; but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things : << AHA the poor hostel staff
phf: mircea_popescu: is that by way of esthlos's squeak/croquet links?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subtitles
phf: but also mircea_popescu's assessment is correct, i'm tampering myself before i face the insides of difftools
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 03:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this suit on file somewhere ? i'd luvv to read
asciilifeform: therw was a similar piece by mircea_popescu re some d00d who tried to lie his way into 'manager' work
a111: 13 results for "from:mircea_popescu samovar", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea_popescu%20samovar
asciilifeform: !#s from:mircea_popescu samovar
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this suit on file somewhere ? i'd luvv to read ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: contest of strongest horse in glue factory ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
asciilifeform: so i take it mircea_popescu leans to 'physics stuck in a ditch post-ww2 and after that inevitably ceremonial and staffed by priests' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'software' ain't a thing
esthlos: mircea_popescu: more like infinite solutions, so choosing any single solution is arbitrary. just like the feynman path integral. its thttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theoremhis problem in a larger context:
esthlos: mircea_popescu: its almost a joke of the universe that 4d manifolds are almost impossible to classify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_manifolds#Dimension_4:_exotic
esthlos: mircea_popescu: as to quantum computers, I don't know a whole lot about quantum, but i believe that an information-theoretic approach to spacetime is the best bet to quantize it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf's summary is entirely troo, naggum's item was about time ~units~, zones, seasons. rather than physical concept.
phf: mircea_popescu: that one is a purely technical paper on details of code implementation for calculations with civil time
esthlos: mircea_popescu: but not what the field theorists do. they can go to hell