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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i add in sbcl and round in the end by hand as taught in kindergarten
asciilifeform: as i recall the obstacle was, however, that BingoBoingo would have to front a month of its cost ? or what was it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i proposed +10% as concretely 'flat AND pants'-enabling figure. plox to correct if by your reckoning it is not so.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> I just prefer not to look things up if something can be said such as: "hey, the cocksuckers are cramping my style, need some space between myself and them" << As mentioned, I have the hostel side of that rather settled. My immediate concern is pants. That will be followed by something else reaching the end of its service life, etc.
asciilifeform: trinque had kindly let me 'cheat' by using the logs as the tool to find the hostnames, to date...
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure what the contention is here at all. the "hey, we're paying ~same for current arrangement as apt would cost" point was, i thought, thoroughly resolved with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808553 convo yest. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 18:30 asciilifeform: !Q later tell mircea_popescu i realized nao that if i fire up the thing as described, we won't have the hostnames. they are are (currently) trinque-produced.
mod6: I just prefer not to look things up if something can be said such as: "hey, the cocksuckers are cramping my style, need some space between myself and them"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, yeah but i mean, i paid quarterly as a rule, and it was exceptional. they generally do monthly payments. the wisdom of doing 3 year lump sum payments to spanish speaking peoples is debatable in any case.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 1 minute ago: <asciilifeform> i realized nao that if i fire up the thing as described, we won't have the hostnames. they are are (currently) trinque-produced.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell mircea_popescu i realized nao that if i fire up the thing as described, we won't have the hostnames. they are are (currently) trinque-produced. ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as soon as he coughs up the april statement ( containing, recall,actual revenue ) i will insist on a discussion of concrete plan to get BingoBoingo into proper flat and into non-itemized regular swap of pants.
asciilifeform: as for numbers, ben_vulpes are you still missing anything ? to make the end-of-april report
asciilifeform: ( thus far reported just the same 2 outputs as in summer of '16 )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 15:40 mircea_popescu: it seems to me ridiculous to a degree bordering on infantilism that it is "impossible" to get the data out after being so complexly massaged into utility ; but be that as it may, let phuctor run and report on its website, the interested will try and sift through whatever it publishes on their own time.
mircea_popescu: such luzly cluelessness as to how to win a war, it's possibly the prime field of ustardian bogonism. i mean... they can;'t program computers, sure. but at least the computer doesn't shoot you for being an idiot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you should see all the tmsr-wannabe stuff emanating from the usarmy "dept of research", by the way. it's all about "network centric" technologees such as fighting bots with ethical ethics and whatnot. one helluva riot.
asciilifeform: ( the moar 'advanced' ameri-victims will perhaps have been to some place where they watched hairy bedouins fuck camels, from safe distance, and thereby 'understood' that the reich is the only possible home for a civilized and refined soul such as themselves )
asciilifeform: zx2c4: ever so much as set foot outside of nato reich ?
asciilifeform: zx2c4: as a matter of fact, is IS a conclusion i can jump to trivially. because your supposed 'person' is actually a nameless cockroach beneath my feet. because he is not in the wot, and thereby not distinguishable from the 90000..+ faux 'humans' usg manufactures on daily basis to further its psyops. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, not a matter of trivially. what i say has a lot of power, such as to end careers, research lines etcetera.
asciilifeform: specifically to ~prevent~ folx such as zx2c4 from hearing about e.g. phuctor, or other actual attempts at experiment, and if they hear -- from taking seriously. 'boeck did it in 2007' 'but did he publish a divisor?' 'uhhhh'
zx2c4: alright so im just wondering why you think nadia and alex's research falls into a category like that, when they're essentially drawing the same conclusions as your own work (even if they didnt release rawdata as you say etc)
zx2c4: the conspiratorial element in all this would be if, like, the NSA secretly funds academic research in fields it knows to be nonsense, so as to waste the time of otherwise productive people?
asciilifeform: and certain topics are 'trendy' and get grants but only for so long as you walk the unwritten line and 1) do NOT publish result 2) best of all do not even do the experiment, lest the result somehow leak out
mircea_popescu: 1. research, as a proper item ( http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ ) died sometime at the onset of the socialist state. 2. the socialist state isn't willing to admit it will never ever do anything useful intellectually again, sets out to "reproduce" the results of science through what it understands of the method. 3. this in due time creates the "bologna system" of grants and so on.
asciilifeform: in ru prison argot, this is also called 'to be a mouse', and is seen as equally damning as 'to be a rat' ( steal from one's fellows , rather than the engl meaning of snitch ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it works well enough, for as long as the republic doesn't mess up things.
mircea_popescu: rhaps discourage "men alone" (such as, prior to finding this place, yourself) from actually doing the research in question.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, understand the full model of this : ambitious people whose hardware does not support their aspirations (ie, the aspirational 14%) say things that are not true. such as "we did research of so and so". now and again, they happen on a useful lie, something the establishment does not actually want researchedf. so they get a little slop, to encourage them to continue with their nonsense, while their imago is then used to pe
BingoBoingo: more heavily to the end of the year? As it is I am still effectively paying out of my diminishing savings to live amongst the retards. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and could start having energy for such things as expeditions to buenos aires to hunt for btc buyers, electric parts, etc
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me will expose the hand, might as well be upfront about things. so, asciilifeform did at some point express some interest in learning the magical crafts of management ; i since fed him the occasional dollop, in the manner this craft was always taught whenever it was taught. as part of this, when he left for montevideo i specifically told him to recognize BingoBoingo 's efforts with a raise early rather than late for
mod6: And aside from that, I'm not opposed outright to this, but before we start handing out more money, I'd like to see where Pizarro stands as far as how much further we need to go to break-even, etc.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, this was conceived as a priority item, because ideally quick to do. but ...
lobbes: In fact, it occurred to as I was about to list my TODO in-channel that it may be more beneficial to bake it as a blog post. Would allow the forum to suggest re-prioritizations as well as serve as a single place I can point to and say "this be what I'm working on right now". Anyways, I'll bake one tonight
lobbes: I'm not opposed to taking a look but my hopper is getting saturated as-is >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809054 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the board's there to help not to get in the way, as a concept.
mircea_popescu: understand that when you opt ot make "small donations" as a palliative measure to reconcile the goat and the cabbage you're not using the tool. this is orcism, "i don't know how to work vacuum cleanner but did some fingerbanging of the dust ad interim"
asciilifeform: ( at one time asciilifeform nominated phf to serve on the board in asciilifeform's stead, but there was no response, so i took it as a 'no ty' )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 02:30 mircea_popescu: well, good thing you gave him a raise, just as this thing became one helluva anklet.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : giving someone the capacity to read the db has no bearing on breaking. can reading the db break anything ?
asciilifeform: it is not as separable as you seem to think.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me ridiculous to a degree bordering on infantilism that it is "impossible" to get the data out after being so complexly massaged into utility ; but be that as it may, let phuctor run and report on its website, the interested will try and sift through whatever it publishes on their own time. ☟︎
asciilifeform: if this is so -- then it should be possible to make it in a separate process that simply reads from db ( can write to own table, even, if it wants, so long as i do not have to know about it )
asciilifeform: as currently appear in http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/rss
mod6: What if someone pitched in a hand to make a new bot for ya, so like Mr. P. said, you just have own channel. Then it can just burp as it is necessary.
mircea_popescu: but, i confess i absolutely do not follow the logic here. so, making a new table, and a py script to update it and print it as described above, unbounded ammount of sweat, months of work ?
asciilifeform: nope, nothing is separate or separable, if the rss generator has state, that's a whole new table and a 2x-as-long total program
diana_coman is not laughing as she met the belief irl...
jurov: O.o why is rss tightly coupled iside phuctor? can't be independent job that can be ran as required?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:13 jurov: It was already bundled as csv, he rejected it then, asciilifeform pls what format do you accept?
diana_coman: fromdeedbot, so then, state your question like an intelligent person: I've read this (link) and this (link) and this (link) and as far as I understand it I think you are saying there x and y and z; am I correct? how /why is x.1 so and so rather than so and the other etc.
diana_coman: ugh, this 3-step magic approach: 1. put out a disclaimer mixed with minimal-risk pretence of having done some homework 2. flatter generically and at minimal cost to self 3. "ask" about some current buzzwords, as a cheap way of signalling
jurov: It was already bundled as csv, he rejected it then, asciilifeform pls what format do you accept? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 03:25 mircea_popescu: so there, you have a pretty great plan for yourself out of this convo. keep doing dayjob to keep food on table. meanwhile a) deliver for trinque, deliver the rsa pubkey crawl and b) talk to potential employees, get them in the wot. then as all this matures you can pivot into your desired research firm securely and from a position of unmatrched strength.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 15:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, do you see it as a mid term you use pizarro as your springboard to move in uy, releasing BingoBoingo into my hand for further adventures ?
trinque: all I'm looking for from douchebag currently is a review of what ends up in the trb binary as a dep
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lolk. but if dreaming of messianic heroes, may as well picture the kind that gets me out of this zoo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah. well, so maybe his thing takes off, why not. basically the proposition as it stands is adding more piston. what can it hurt.
mod6: As I've found that a variety in this vein will actually work - should I list them all, or all that I've found working?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, he's at the bottom of a very deep dayjob well.
mod6: Ok, so what is wanted here as a 'mapping' is instead of just saying, for example 'bc', say 'bc <some_version_number>' ?
asciilifeform: very sharp kid, he was. but i think nao he works as a meat firewall somewhere. just to pay for food.
mircea_popescu: so there, you have a pretty great plan for yourself out of this convo. keep doing dayjob to keep food on table. meanwhile a) deliver for trinque, deliver the rsa pubkey crawl and b) talk to potential employees, get them in the wot. then as all this matures you can pivot into your desired research firm securely and from a position of unmatrched strength. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is altogether dubious, but, as they say time will tell.
douchebag: as well as install software for monitoring and logging
mircea_popescu: not to say that we didn't do heroic fucking work to fix it. but fixed -- it is not yet. ahead of anyone else as we may be.
mircea_popescu: unpleasant as this truth is, and readily obscured by republican optics as it may find itself amenable to, it's still fucking there.
mircea_popescu: and in the instant case, as in the lengthy history of previous instances that drove inflammatory reaction in response, he does actulaly have a point. not only does he have a point, but if poorly communicated ALSO poorly understood in group terms.
asciilifeform: d00d seems intent on doing absolute minimum of work. as if we were his cubicle hell dwellers.
mircea_popescu: the correct way would be to have a list of enumerated known-goods ; though this is understandably not done as it is -- because expensive. and satoshi didn't do it because he didn't even have any conception of dependency versioning.
ben_vulpes: ah shit i didn't even think about apartment as bunk + cowork replacement augh i'm so dumb
mircea_popescu: well, good thing you gave him a raise, just as this thing became one helluva anklet. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, the logic in 'why didja put it in UY, bw costs 4x moar than in usa and cia will still steal yer iron eventually' is pretty amusing. "doesn't it stand to your reasoning that 'cia will steal eventually' is 16x as expensive for the same reason bw costs 4x as much ? if not, why not ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so sell it as veblen.
trinque tried to find the "and anyway" mechanism as discussed in logs, found naught
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808457 << evidently it'd work as !Qsearch. what use is there for a web-based irc service anyway ? ☝︎
lobbes: But yeah, as it stands now all I got is 50gb of downloaded-from-archive.is sitting on a ssd and a search of the url strings only
trinque: author could just as well publish a commandline util from which I query the archive, and it barfs up links I use in the browser
trinque: if it worked as described, and www were sorted via personhood and not pantsuit fake ad revenue, in a heartbeat I'd pay.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773816 << as far as paysforitself, folks can subscribe. I'd pay. ☝︎
asciilifeform: when dupe mod is met with for a mod which has been previously phuctored, this registers as a 'broken key' event -- despite not being a 'new broken mod' event. this is correct operation. )
lobbes: ben_vulpes: ack and connected as well
ben_vulpes: thanks diana_coman, i will send you rockchip creds as soon as it's enrngified
ben_vulpes: mod6: gonna invoice you for the same term as your rockchip unless you object
trinque is pretty patient, but things such as ^ are mechanical.
asciilifeform: theoretically 'not even electronic' tho fuckers still collected 1 $ for every 1 $ as 'import deposit'
douchebag: yeah my aplogogies, I've just been super busy lately with my job as well as getting a number of things situated in regards to me travelling Europe in about 5 weeks
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ( dun take as a flame necessarily ) but i gotta ask, how come the ttl cables stayed in usa when you went on the expedition ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: heh me too; $girl floated it as a destination again, although i'm more interested in the chilean border area
mircea_popescu: Mocky, my very good pleasure. mp-wp (as pressed by hanbot recently) may be useful to you.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 22:34 diana_coman: ben_vulpes, mod6 what's the price for a rockchip *with* fg as per asciilifeform's description above?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "when's the last time you saw bookshelves as a backdrop", https://78.media.tumblr.com/6d2b15606ff5d700d56a6604cf6649db/tumblr_onbxbw6UmJ1w8ffkko1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: if you make it mandatory, it goes to overhead ; complificates some edge cases (such as exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808174 ). whereas as optionality it's just that, a useful feature. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: that if you ask in such a way as works and ben_vulpes feels like it you get your userdig tar'd and rsa'd to your key.
ben_vulpes: not so direly short on disk so as to be reclaiming aggressively
mircea_popescu: this is THE reason wot is "not mechanical" as a point of policy, long discussed but a while ago.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the original (and not at all irrelevant or minor discussion, either) : the rule could be "anyone who anyone negrated", with the caveat of course that if we ~want~ to host them and you ~don't~ un-negrate them you might get negrated yourself as the proximate solution.
mircea_popescu: as sorely displayed by us born females in their thirties these days.