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mircea_popescu: (and this, for the record, is also why i think very little of eg pete_dushenski's private committments : http://trilema.com/2015/very-bad-things/#selection-37.0-37.32 female misbehaviour exists ~specifically~ and strictly and only because they're covering up for this fundamental "between boys and walls daddy chose walls, don't upset him".

asciilifeform: seems that mircea_popescu still prefers the anglo chix as raw material in refinery tho

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall ancient trilema piece , about some derp working in (iirc) google, where you had 'if industry were a rifle, he'd be the fouling on the barrel' ?

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 17:32 mircea_popescu: circero's certainly was, man had the diseased of comfortable middle class men.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 15:28 mircea_popescu: like it or not, man has some responsibilities to rhodesia.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 17:24 mircea_popescu: all latin classicity bemoans the loss of agricultural tradition, their hightly regarded source of intelligence and manliness.

asciilifeform: my point was that cincinnatus was 'typical farmer' like mircea_popescu is 'typical photographer'

mircea_popescu: the choice is literally "this ~half bn or so of english speakers, who have been so neglected as children as to practically emulate classical africans" or else "these ~3bn women, so fucken retarded they will die in http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/#footnote_3_72501 trap without batting an eyelash).

a111: Logged on 2018-11-06 18:12 mircea_popescu: the whole usgistan thing is a ~necessary~ solvent for the otherwise even-more-imbecile "nation of kings" bullshit.

asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu does errybody on that site only know engl ?

asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 14:21 asciilifeform: when i started ffa, i did not plan to bake any asm speedups at all. but there's 2 reasons to do it, eventually : one is that on e.g. x86/x64, getting the upper half of a word-sized multiplication, without asm, takes ~four~ MULs plus a buncha additions : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/w_mul__adb.htm#95_14

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 08:10 diana_coman: fwiw I actually patched v.pl to use phf's vtools and it works absolutely fine; I guess I'll write-it up and publish the whole thing later today if nobody else does it

ave1: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/w_mul__adb.htm#33_13, this is the egyptian mul?

asciilifeform: ( there is also the fact that such a simple thing as addition with carry takes not 1 ADD instruction, but an entire http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/word_ops__adb.htm#36_13 orchestra )

asciilifeform: the other is that on iron such as certain ARM ( i have not yet investigated ~which~ ) , and ppc, and certain others, there does not even exist a constant-time MUL, and one is stuck with some variant of http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/w_mul__adb.htm#33_13 -- which really begs to be asmed, is riotously inefficient

asciilifeform: when i started ffa, i did not plan to bake any asm speedups at all. but there's 2 reasons to do it, eventually : one is that on e.g. x86/x64, getting the upper half of a word-sized multiplication, without asm, takes ~four~ MULs plus a buncha additions : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/w_mul__adb.htm#95_14 ☟︎

ave1: I use it now for the recvfrom / sendto calls for x86_64

ave1: like so: register long x0 __asm__("x0")

ave1: asciilifeform, diana_coman: I'm now looking into arm 64bit, but so far seems to be bit more involved. I've not found a way to directly couple an ada varable to a register.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 09:00 mircea_popescu: made me think of odessa.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entire unixlike ecosystem has never afaik been anyffing other than africa.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presumably cuz koch stuck a gpl sticker on it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: stallman has plenty to answer for, but i dunno what he has to do specifically with koch's gpg

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff happens to be exactly what asciilifeform's doing

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: atm i'm not even in a place where i can say who's what is buggy

phf: that's accidental. most people have been running mod6's v.pl, they also might've pulled the dependency back when v.py came out, of various __version__'s closer to the one you have, but not necessarily exact. i think your attachment to your code clouds your judgment!

asciilifeform: i can't think of anyffing to do but a) make flensed version of phf's that actually worx here, i have NO intention of breaking my legacy toolchain in which i still have 90000 unconverted private patches or b) bake an e.g. if gpg.__version__ = phf : ... else .... thing

phf: asciilifeform: what does your gnupg.__version__ return?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: v.py never used keyring

asciilifeform: TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'binary

asciilifeform goes to try mircea_popescu's tip

bvt: mircea_popescu: unfortunately i can't provide a timeline for the syscalls yet: between 19.11. and 07.12. i will have time for only very minor work, following logs, etc.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 15:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871447 << an ada mpi, however, would be a most interesting item.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 15:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870872 << i expect you do, specifically btc to ff conversions etc ?

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 15:42 mircea_popescu: also, if you're going to overwrite your margins why have them.

bvt: diana_coman: i have updated the article with links to the logs. i confirm that using -std=gnu89 fixes the issue. -std=c89 -- does not.

asciilifeform: ty diana_coman

a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:31 diana_coman: I'll soon do the regrind of eucrypt to move it on to keccak hashes; my plan is to keep the patches precisely as they are otherwise (i.e. including NO manifest until I actually added it at the end); the way I see it, it's just a swap-in-place of one hash for another; if anyone sees this sort of thing differently - since I'm hmmm,first to regrind a big project? - yell now !

asciilifeform: currently looking into how diana_coman did it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite unrelatedly, what's your recommended formula for 'manifest' in keccak regrinds ? ( i.e. to retrofit manifest to ancient stuff, or only to latest v cut of it ? and with current blockheight, or to somehow estimate the one at the time of original publication ? )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a+++ headerface

asciilifeform: diana_coman: neato

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 15:42 mircea_popescu: bvt http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/#selection-37.321-37.374 << basically, some lines got arbitrarily truncated and everything went to shit subsequently ?

a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 17:55 mircea_popescu: look it up, hermann aron fellow, was a sort of german heaviside

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 15:44 mircea_popescu: known "bug" of sorts, in the sense of frustrating behaviour, but no known way to fix other than "do not use single angle brackets in text" / "do not use magic letters with metasyntactic meanings". as html already fucked the pig on the latter score...

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what exactly is an 'ada mpi' ? ( i.e. i assume it's diff from what i'm baking )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wondered in the past why blog comment boxes never come with 'post as txt' / 'post as htm' buttons

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 11:15 diana_coman: and ugh, bvt , your wp ate part of my comment! there was more between "used by gcc 4.9" and " they want. " wtf

mircea_popescu: bvt http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/#selection-37.321-37.374 << basically, some lines got arbitrarily truncated and everything went to shit subsequently ? ☟︎☟︎

deedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/ << bvt's backtrace - GNAT2017 GCC breaks SMG_Comms MPI: extern inline function issues.

deedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/linux-portability-part-2-exploring-musl-ifdefs-or-define-pdp_endian-3412/ << bvt's backtrace - Linux Portability, Part 2: Exploring musl #ifdefs, or #define PDP_ENDIAN 3412

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 09:32 diana_coman: anyway, trinque, would you add bvt's blog to deedbot's feed please?

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 11:22 diana_coman: I suppose it's the gcc >4.9 that made it eat up the whole part as "html"

asciilifeform: oh hm diana_coman already noted

a111: Logged on 2018-03-28 20:02 phf: this gnulib solution actually wants you to define FOO_INLINE, which is set to "inline" when defined, and "extern inline" when used, so you can't even avoid the #define hackery with "extern inline". "Other non-C99 compilers use static inline so they suffer from code bloat, but they are not mainline platforms and will die out eventually."

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 08:59 bvt: meanwhile, http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 07:09 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dQWPC/?raw=true

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bvt: diana_coman: ah, i see. if the c89 vs c99 is the issue, than this vpatch takes the wrong approach, and something along the lines of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o7yc9/?raw=true would work better

diana_coman: bvt, http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-4

bvt: meanwhile, http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/ ☟︎

BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Here's where I was before the blocking cash account issue emerged http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SkdEN/?raw=true

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I do not yet. Last I looked into trying eulora the Nvidia 'cg' binary dependency was blocking

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mod6: I've been doing some chores here, I gotta run away again and do more. :/ ben_vulpes, if you have another Q, just ping me.

mod6: ben_vulpes: np!

mod6: Alright, beginning with 2018-07-15, all transactions in my ledger are Pizarro transactions. Nothing personal in there after that date (where ben_vulpes sent me the funds).

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 20:22 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo mod6: are there any non-pizarro transactions in the ledger outputs that i have from both of you?

asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's the correct model for ~some~ devices

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 'not worth writing 500 ln so that record can be eaten/shat in 1 line' formulation

asciilifeform: ( had stream-powered serializer-deserializer for the 'varint' type, errything else did diana_coman-style )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw it's exactly where i ended up drawing the line in 'nqb'

diana_coman: re are still all those parts that are anyway no concern of upper layers (e.g. crc, padding) so there is still some part that has to walk the thing component-by-component anyway. The more I look at it, the more I get the impression that the idea of "serialize in 1 statement the whole stuff" is not worth pushing beyond simple types (i.e. yes, serialize in one line unsigned_32 but not the whole content of one message)

a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 20:12 mircea_popescu: only question is if this gains anything or just pushes some garbage downstream

BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SHMK3/?raw=true

asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma work with BingoBoingo + ben_vulpes to get the spreadshit aligned & published; mod6 meanwhile srsly spend some time in a hammock

asciilifeform: mod6: it's in the l0gz, recall, mircea_popescu was getting ready to tear off my epaulettes

mod6: ben_vulpes: While we're at it, BingoBoingo reminded me that xmas time is upon us, and it might be a very good time to start shopping for some Pizarro hardware with those amazon credits you're holding. Just a reminder.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:48 mircea_popescu: and in the same vein : if i lose my fucking carkeys, my "prospective plan for carkey finding" doesn't read ANYTHING like "day 1 : look for carkeys ; day 2 : look for carkeys ; day 3 : look for carkeys ; day 4...".

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: you're a good man, and i trust you, and i know as a matter of fact my trust's not misplaced. we absolutely have to either adjust you to the tasks you have or the tasks you have to you, however, because there's simply no way to maintain trustworthyness on the long haul while capacity-activity mismatch is ongoing.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: can you ~believe~ how much like something you'd read on tardstalk "investments" your workproduct ends up ?! and this in 2018 ? why, because you've been secretly saving it through a time capsule, insulated from review, all this time ?! god almighty, last thing i want is the yahoo peterl-ism of 2013 perpetuated a second past the end of that year.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: . on the short term you'll have to take some time off and think long and hard and in all seriousness about what you want from this life, because continuing on your present course can't possibly bring much beyond disaster.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: the "sad" news, from this perspective (though it is boldly and fundamentally the exact opposite of sad) is that no, there isn't any "return to the grand old days" on the table. ~emphatically~ not. bitcoin ain't going back to spending a summer at 2 dollars a coin ; and consequentlly you're not going back to being the mod6 of 2013 on ten hours a week and lukewarm committment.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:32 mircea_popescu: you can't really be the head of the foundation as a guy who monthly publishes a page of .txt on a website somewhere ; you can't really be the board of the isp as a guy who comes up with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858303 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839737 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846185 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825070

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:32 mircea_popescu: it seems to me inescapably the case that you have not been putting either enough time or enough thought into this, and continuing in like manner for year upon year. the inescapable result was accumulation, of exactly the wrong kind : every day you personally grew a little smaller than your image in the forum, and compensating for the difference drew, as any other credit, upon your capacities to service, until eventually the g

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:32 mircea_popescu: mod6 after a night's meditation, I still don't see a direct solution for your problem.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871149 << before that little subthread gets entirely lost in the cacophony of the moar urgent matters : mircea_popescu i also suspect that even without radio etc exotica, gossiptronic routing would give ~same connective reliability to e.g. a flat in kamchatka with 3 heathen isp pipes, as actual dc cage has today

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871192 minor subthread ☝︎

asciilifeform: ty ben_vulpes

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol i dun need 'eased', i'ma be happy when the bug is fixed.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you swear there aint one, i'ma believe, because i so far have turned up no trace of it in my own records

a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 19:55 ben_vulpes: !W (- 9.15831827 0.399861)

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 15:54 mircea_popescu: very much so yes.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871149 << before that little subthread gets entirely lost in the cacophony of the moar urgent matters : mircea_popescu i also suspect that even without radio etc exotica, gossiptronic routing would give ~same connective reliability to e.g. a flat in kamchatka with 3 heathen isp pipes, as actual dc cage has today ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ty ben_vulpes !

asciilifeform: i.e. should we wait for ben_vulpes function to return ? or must soldier on without