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mircea_popescu: lobbes wouldja be interested in ordering parts for phf's
trip btw ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 11:09 mircea_popescu:
take something like, i dunno, epyc-7351 say. costs 7x, has 4x
the cores, 4.5x
the ram speed, 4.5x
the l2/3 cache and 50%
the power. basically i'm getting less
than
twice as much processor per watt, if i pay 7x
the money. meh.
mircea_popescu: TomServo ok, but i'm more interested in... do you have some way
to discern whether more cores or more clock speed are more valuable ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 13:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo :
the logic is, ima want 5 of
the dozen ;
the rest could each at least in principle support 100 "shared" sorta sites each, at $20 a month or whatever you end up charging.
that's, if you manage
to fill up
the lot, $14`000 per month in revenue.
TomServo: be shared by
the circuits listed below.
The
total draw between
the connected “A
TomServo: will provide specified amount of kW capacity from Primary (A Side)
to
mircea_popescu: to my (admittedly aloof) reasoning, even if filled with 20 of
these,
the rack would have plenty of swim space on
the sides, and should at least
theoretically be ok. i dunno, i guess we find out.
mircea_popescu: as
to
the vertical exhaust, it was more of a "do you have it" curio
than anything.
mircea_popescu: so
the mini's
tiny when compared
to
the hefty micro. because why
the fucknot.
mircea_popescu: (for
the confused : microATX, introduced cca 1996, is 244x244 mm ; same witdh but shorter
than
the plain ATX ; meanwhile mini-ITX is 170x170, whereas mini-ATX is 150x150 mm, so even smaller.)
mircea_popescu: this is officially
the dumbest standard i ever encountered. i am officially giving up
trying
to use
the words, will use
the numbers.
mircea_popescu: the (consumer) motherboard is miniATX (the somewhat intermediate one, 10x10) not mini-ATX (the smaller-than-ITX novel
thing, 6x6).
mircea_popescu: the (consumer) motherboard is microATX (the somewhat intermediate one) not micro-ATX (the smaller-than-ITX novel
thing).
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 19:40 a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf
trinque diana_coman so i'm
thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared
to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i
thinkl
that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 10:46 mircea_popescu: now, of course,
the 6376 could be piled 4
to
the motherboard. but i
tell you i don't see you'd want it, considering how much it eats.
mircea_popescu: take something like
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782012 : if you did actyually put 4
to
the mobo, as
they
theoretically can suffer, and somehow stuffed all
this in 1U, and attempted
to put 40 such units at half a kW each inside one rack, i'd fully expect
the whole
thing melting down within
the hour. not even water can
take out 20KJ/s out of a (stationary) rack. we're
talking like, car engine sorta coolings by now.
☝︎ TomServo: That's
true, but weren't you discussing stuffing 4 mini itxs in one case? with vertical exhuasting cpu fans?
mircea_popescu: so i'm kinda
trying
to outsource
the heat knowhow
to
the dc, in
this passive manner. kinda why i got a low W cpu. i'm
thinking i'd have
to worry more about some modern 500W bs "single"t or multi-cpu
than about
this basically 125W max power item. how much can it possibly heat...
mircea_popescu: but in principle, gear can't produce more heat
than
the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point
they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e
they do. no ?
mircea_popescu: very
theoretically could fit 20, and perhaps
the dc can provide
the extra wattage. but gotta see somehow.
mircea_popescu: well, i expect draw in
the 200-250W.
that means at most 10 per rack at current power.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah,
thanks.
TomServo: Well, I'm a bit miffed at
the idea of stuffing consumer gear in racks, but I've not
tried
this. Seems risky.
mircea_popescu: mod6 for
the sake of nitpicks, it's buenas, cuz somehow la noche is feminine. buenos
tacos / buenas noches.
TomServo: BingoBoingo: In my experience
the plastic slats are intended
to better maintain hot/cold isle airflow.
mod6: BingoBoingo: good work. looking forward
to ze pics
BingoBoingo: Ah. Right now are cage has a bunch of
the solid plastic slats in
the front.
This has been added
to
the questions checklist.
mircea_popescu: cabinets often come with
them preinstalled, but
then again
that's more a mid/high market
thing ; yours may be barebones-er
than
this.
mircea_popescu: (you put one or
two blowing in at
the bottom, and same number blowing out at
the
top)
mircea_popescu: basically
they are a face for 3U, blow air out of
the rack.
BingoBoingo: I am going
there again
tomorrow. I held
the
thing in place helpful guy used
the screwdriver
to secure it
to
the rack studs. Apologies for
the ambiguity.
BingoBoingo: I meant I have not been
there since
the installation.
BingoBoingo: I have not been
there yet.
Though I might be able
to find some sorta box
to
throw in
the cage. Returning
to
the datacenter
tomorrow say hello,
take pics, and ask again about importers. I was distracted by accounting/blogging/sheetmetalhunt Monday/Today.
mircea_popescu: were you going
to publish some pix at some point or what came of
that ?
mircea_popescu: do you have sideways fan covers for
the rack units btw ? or how does it look ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah.
The wraith is not going
to fit in 2U
mircea_popescu: you mean when buying, buy
the standard not
the wraith cooler ?
BingoBoingo: Well, someone is piling hardware in
the US? I haven't seen volunteers yet other
than phf
to courier
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 2u is like... 8.9cm
tall. you
think not ? << Alright with
the amd fx-8350
there are skus
that some with different coolers.
There
the stock cooler
that looks like it should not be a problem, and
then
there is
the WRAITH special edition kooler 4Gamerz which is 80 mm high and rather
tall for a 2U case. Whoever goes piling iron would be advised
to watch
this difference.
mod6: davout comin of
the
top rope
jhvh1: danielpbarron:
The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: BUT : if you have good cooling, cpu is "unlocked" and motherboard supports it, so you can prolly overclock it
to like 5k
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the board itself is glass pcb, a fine piece indeed. however,
the processor doesn't even work over 60 celsius.
mircea_popescu: but its microatx ftr, not mini.
that's even smaller
than
the itx
BingoBoingo: The board ought
to fit in 2U, plently of chassis advertised for
that if not necessarily here in Uruguay.
The FX-8xxx series
though is apparently quite
the heater.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in harem delights, breakfast pancakes with
tahini, gingseng molasses, fruit and venezuelan rum, served aside colombian coffee.
mircea_popescu: (this ~is~ a desktop cpu ; so it may need special mounting, but i don't
think it should be outright unmountable.
the asrock is a mini-atx, afaik
those fit in 2u.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf
trinque diana_coman so i'm
thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared
to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i
thinkl
that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Will do, have a Spanish lesson in a bit. Despues
tengo
tiempo para esta
tarea.
mircea_popescu: btw BingoBoingo : do some research, see if you can actually mount
the proposed config as such, see if you find better parts or anything.
mircea_popescu: then again,
there were idiots "working for
the government" in
the 90s eastern bloc...
mircea_popescu: well, sorta like libtarded precious cuntlet in 2018. "i wonder why nobody writes
to me on fetlife!!!" "where's your nudie shots ?" "ummmm..."
BingoBoingo: Well,
they gotta let
the price run up again before
they waterfall for increasingly disappointing crashes a couple more
times at least.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 14:54 diana_coman: mircea_popescu,
this reminds me of early attempts with Italian: when stuck, grab a Romanian/French/latin word, stick Italian ending on it and say it loud and clear; it
the worse case locals will promptly correct it
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 03:29 mircea_popescu: ex of 1B documents.
Then our cost comes down
to $12M/yr." <<
this danluu piece is
the most idiotic
thing i read all day. what
the fuck has "cloud" done
to
these people
that
they
think a 1bn index cost A MILLION A MONTH holy shit.
mod6: last weekened i was all cocky about it
too. "look at everyone gettin sick! NOT ME!"
shinohai: Feel for ya mod6. I got a relapse
too. You shouldn't have been hanging around me
this past weekend. :P
mod6: it was bound
to get me eventually
jhvh1: BingoBoingo:
The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later
tell pete_dushenski Have you been following
the BBisp developments?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: name] S.A. but it will have a seperate "doing business as" name which I figure might as well just be my name according
to
the principal of maximum pissing on.
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, is
the "company" having your name or isn't
this between latechco and your company or what? << At present due
to
the painful $900 lesson my name is my company,
though it is indeed a legally registered company in Uruguay. Once I have a local ID (Hopefully sometime March-April) and I make another run at
the corporation (because
the provisional ID cuts
the passport knot) it will be [insert aculturally relevant
diana_coman: mircea_popescu,
this reminds me of early attempts with Italian: when stuck, grab a Romanian/French/latin word, stick Italian ending on it and say it loud and clear; it
the worse case locals will promptly correct it
☟︎ diana_coman: BingoBoingo, is
the "company" having your name or isn't
this between latechco and your company or what?
BingoBoingo: No one seems
to call it Castellano here in
the city, maybe in
the countryside?
diana_coman: well, it certainly sounds quite... east-ish, let's say; I'm surprised at how much I can actually read /follow
that
thing now
mircea_popescu: and, of course,
the boxes discussed if rented add another $50. or else can colocate own, but must be provided CIF @ BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: Extra power is 20 cents/Watt, can be had as an add-on. Extra bandwidth, idem,
though because granularity issues can't really give a fixed price in advance. but something like $20 doubles it, more or less.
juhoitse: Yea reading
the eulora.org at
the moment
mircea_popescu: so
then, (7150 - 1403) * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 33.15 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 37.75GB of weekly upload / 377.5GB download (as per 20 / 8 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and 2500/40 = 62.5 Watts of power (in
the sense of 37.8 MJ).
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 05:03 mircea_popescu: so
then, 7150 * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 41.25 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 302GB of weekly upload / 3TB download (as per 20 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and lessee re wattage,
BingoBoingo: Cool, after
that
two month reflection blog post with authoring possibly interupted by almurzo.