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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wb btw. i for one thought that mircea_popescu was tired of teaching his kindergarten..
mircea_popescu: a ty
mircea_popescu: somehow we're asked to forgive the plain fact that pantsuit's socialist paradise will NEVER come, because let's all focus on how some species got extincted for sucking bad enough to need the measure.
mircea_popescu: MEANWHILE, however, they have 100% unaccounted for the time externality. so basically it's a contest consisting of a guy without legs going about finding fault with people's fingers. because he's decided "legs don't count", and so as he has much better hands than the rest of those losers he should be captain of the football team. ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 19:55 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783439 << this thread puts much in perspective. In all my arguments with socialist aquaintances, it always seems like it boils down to "well, if there's failure that just means we haven't tried xyz magical configuration of policies yet!". I.e. "goal posts" can be moved ad infinitum (in their eyes, that is)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783451 << very much that exactly. the pantsuit rides on a high and mighty horse of "oh, capitalists don't account for ALL the externalities", hence its trojan horse of "environmentalism", because mind you that people making the civilisation run haven't in their ledger of costs and benefits a line for the obscure pondfish of extinction, and this, while epsilon, IS TILL NOT ZERO!!! concerntrol ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 13:57 mircea_popescu: alternatively, i have no problem taking say 1.5 worth of absolutely senior convertible equity in your continuant venture, however you call it.
mircea_popescu: that aside, i don't necessarily want to be paid cash or anything ; carry the same http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783243 on the books alongside whatever you're adding via the foundation and it'll be fine. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm not against you taking over ; but mind that as you also mention, BingoBoingo 's problem wasn't lack of access to capital (i dunno why this keeps being the expectation, as it's scarcely yet been the case, we're drastically overcapitalized is the entire fucking problem to begin with). BingoBoingo 's problem was lack of access to middle management, and it nigh on killed him. so for this to work, that's the key element. ☟︎
mircea_popescu wasn't going to read the logs ; but then hanbot insisted. all the better.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/asfixion/ << Trilema - A[s]fixion
diana_coman: mod6, mind giving a bit more detail regarding the business+technical side? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 22:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of house, the BEST THING father can do for his daughter, aged 9 to 19, is make sure she has abundant, clean protein available. no meal without salmon, fine beef, shrimp, pump her full of 100g of protein a day.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 17:25 mircea_popescu: hmm, where the hell is the place where i say the father's responsibility to his daughter is to shove a pound of raw prime beef down her throat every day and naught else ?
diana_coman: while searching for something else, I found the answer to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776243 ; it's in the logs, at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616384 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 22:22 shinohai: eulora and trilema have funding that shinohai does not. Might move it to home box, remains to be seen.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783593 << I think I'm in a similar boat as you, but I've just been lucky not to run into the kraken (http://trilema.com/2018/experimental-results/#selection-343.191-347.68). My luck will run out eventually though. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 22:16 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783582 <<< lobbes this may be something you and I might discuss you overtaking, since I likely am not going to be able to bring back jhvh1 with current isp woes, etc.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783587 << damn. Well, while I'm not opposed to having lobbesbot take over jhvh1 functionality, I still have much in the hopper already (e.g. getting archive bulk-download into production). Hell, by the time I get to it I may wake to my own heathen vpsen assassinated ;/ ☝︎
ave1: I will reread the charter and all other relevant documents
ave1: I hereby apologise to lord ben_vulpes
ave1: I hereby apologise to lord mod6
ave1: I seem to have tripped over the name *foundation* ☟︎
lobbes: yeah ave1, I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Foundation is two guys who each have a distinct identity that can be impaled by the forum's punishment gazette at any time. I fail to see the pantsuit properties of the solution
ben_vulpes: what, we release a trb that steals your coins and somehow nobody is to blame? get real
ben_vulpes: how does that follow from my and mod6 personal responsibility for everything the foundation does
ave1: If it is a failure, no one is to blame
ben_vulpes: remind me of what these rules and bylaws are again?
ave1: Now if it is a success, we have this powerfull *foundation* (with rules and bylaws etc etc)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 23:19 mod6: Alright, the Bitcoin Foundation has been discussing all day about using funds to support the bbisp. We are ready to make that commitment.
ave1: Concratulations on the most pantsuits solution: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783596 ☝︎
mod6: will run tonight.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. if it's due to where the inodes are, or the like )
asciilifeform: will be lulzy incidentally if the diff goes the other way when you move the files somewhere else on disk and rename'em etc
asciilifeform: i'ma set some up later this wk meself.
asciilifeform: ^ and for anybody else who wants to try.
asciilifeform: then post the magic figures, and include what type of iron was used.
asciilifeform: mod6: leave it to run overnight for coupla million shots
asciilifeform: in lulz*2, the last link in 1st para of 'rs-16' goes to a ... 'This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.'
asciilifeform: 'RS-16 has a single-tasking "operating system" whose source fits on a few pages of paper and is easily understandable by anyone who speaks C. The operating system only implements the functions that you need for editing text, crypto and transferring files. It lives in ROM and cannot run programs from disk, eliminating a range of attack vectors.'
asciilifeform: ( before anyone asks -- i have nfi who this is )
asciilifeform: this of course is not a surprise to folx who actually read. but still fun.
asciilifeform: ( go and try same with ch9 ! )
asciilifeform: e.g. 4194304 ( 4 megabit ) takes ~3s on my box here.
asciilifeform: ( if this does happen, it happens during warmup , and is harmless )
asciilifeform: also if you want to experiment with even bigger numberz, turn the 32 ( that i habitually use as stack height ) into the minimal necessary 4 for this experiment
mod6: so for those following along, this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OHXDh/?raw=true
asciilifeform: can even skip the #'s, you don't need the output foranything
asciilifeform: can skip the tr lol
mod6: heheh. so you're saying do this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1VeEL/?raw=true : a few thosand times and create a graph of the differences in the timings
asciilifeform: i left this as exercise but if mod6's nerves are as tight as asciilifeform's , is forgivable , lol
asciilifeform: and replace the python with > /dev/null
asciilifeform: right, but ideally you want a few thou of these, and a correlation calc
mod6: how about this? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1dfHJ/?raw=true
asciilifeform: not 'a bit' but fully 2x toosmall
asciilifeform: cuz you have two invokes, recall, "??"
mod6: yah, i thought they might be a bit small. lemme see what I can do.
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IKJAK/?raw=true << ok with feeding it in with '<' it seems to do somthing here... had some trouble trying to read it directly said 'Could not read from RNG!'
asciilifeform: ( note that you do not need the 0 in .0 , i put it in for readability )
mod6: ooh, ok lemme give that a shot.
asciilifeform: after that you can e.g. time echo "??\`\`*[print 0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]#" | ./bin/ffa_calc 1048576 32 lotsaones.bin | tr -d '\n' | python
asciilifeform: so you get however many you want, you got it by simply using ffacalc to compute the desired integer.
asciilifeform: is your ticket.
asciilifeform: a pro seekrit : you can pipe ffacalc output to base64 -d
asciilifeform: this is a deterministic test. ffacalc is made deliberately to permit one.
asciilifeform: for the given example, gotta make sure that it has at least 2MB of mass.
asciilifeform: ( you can substitute a file for the /dev/whateverthefuck )
asciilifeform: mod6: your timing result is not yet proof that you have such a box; gotta compare a static 'random' consisting of 00000.... and one of FFFF ...
asciilifeform: but know that 'iron mul' has been re-introduced (will be made selectable soon enuff) and you can use ch10 ffa to diagnose 'evil' cpu
asciilifeform tried locally, seems to satisfy p3
asciilifeform: or put in the parens it wants, lol
asciilifeform: they CHANGED the syntax for 'print'.
asciilifeform: when you strip the newlines, this kompyootes
mod6: hmmmod6@localhost ~/ada/alf/ffa/ch10/ffa/ffacalc $ command -v tr
asciilifeform: do you not have tr ?
mod6: will try with /dev/zero
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/K2jR0/?raw=true << for the command with /dev/urandom
asciilifeform: but i think errybody gets the idea.
asciilifeform: ( to do this very rigorously, oughta buffer the 'random'; reading from /dev/zero is unsurprisingly slightly faster )
asciilifeform: time echo "??\`\`*[print 0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]#" | ./bin/ffa_calc 1048576 32 /dev/urandom | tr -d '\n' | python
asciilifeform: mod6: now try
mod6: I can confirm that the seal verifies and that pressing up through chatper 10 worked.
asciilifeform: >> http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch10_karatsuba << ty phf !
asciilifeform: who knows, 20y from nao , a different asciilifeform will meet a different mircea_popescu and they will look for a sane numeric lib and ~find~ one, instead of sitting for 4y without...
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform posts these 'from cause, not purpose' (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: phf: plox to snarf patches, ty
mod6: Happy Valentines Day, TMSR~. <3 ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( let's to hope he has a bell that rings when called... asciilifeform at one time did )
mod6: We hope, to retain Mr. Popescu as a customer, as well as ``Minigame'', S.MG, so known.
mod6: We propose to pay him outright, relieving him of obligations to the venture.
mod6: The aim is to supply you with funds to continue operations. And to relieve you of debt to Mr. Popescu.
BingoBoingo: Is this a takeover?
mod6: Alright, the Bitcoin Foundation has been discussing all day about using funds to support the bbisp. We are ready to make that commitment. ☟︎
shinohai: eulora and trilema have funding that shinohai does not. Might move it to home box, remains to be seen. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( since mircea_popescu seems to be sleeping i'ma have to run the emulator : 'it's because they are part of my Adult World, not this stinking kindergarten' )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not to mention eulora, trilema, somehow seem to run..
ben_vulpes: somehow lobbes trinque phf asciilifeform can run bots without the republican isp but all of a sudden shinohai cannot?
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783582 <<< lobbes this may be something you and I might discuss you overtaking, since I likely am not going to be able to bring back jhvh1 with current isp woes, etc. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: that was the openproblem that produced the thread which ultimately turned into mp's-hash etc
diana_coman: in other issues: rfc on oaep for tmsr, see http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-124596 ☟︎