asciilifeform: 'What’s more, exploit code requires an attacker to program in the arcane 6502 language designed for the NES processor, relying on the way the virtualized 6502 processor translates this code to deliver malicious instructions.' << cpu produced in greatest number in all of history of semiconductor --- 'arcane' ?!
asciilifeform: system where i gotta ask mircea_popescu where lives trilema, but if looking for www of ben_vulpes, must ask ben_vulpes -- i have 0 quarrel with.
asciilifeform: but 'central servers' implies that i might also rely on mircea_popescu to say where, e.g., ben_vulpes's site, lives
asciilifeform: back upstack: i'm not convinced that 'the structure of thought' and 'updated regularly by remote hands' go together.
asciilifeform in whole life has only ever owned one encyclopaedia, 'britannica 1958', fished out of a skip as a boy, and incidentally it was the longest edition they made -- after that, only cuts. and the thing is surprisingly useful.
asciilifeform: (not speaking of marvels like 'the big soviet encyclopaedia', which famously in '30s had 'updates' mailed in to subscribers, complete with razor blade to cut out undesirables)
asciilifeform: copy the structure of the empire -- become the empire.
asciilifeform: cannot speak for others, but i would like to use ~less~ dns and other centralized simon-says, not ~more~.
asciilifeform: possibly i am thick but i see same exact problem with all 3.
asciilifeform: ... or even throw out bitcoin and replace with 'tmsr central bank', on server in mircea_popescu's martian dome.
asciilifeform: by this logic, why not also make tmsr ntp ?
asciilifeform: i.e. usg.dns but with new arse(s) in throne ?
asciilifeform: if this were so airtight, blockchain would not be necessary in bitcoin.
asciilifeform: why not instead 'i ask my wot what is y for this x, if anyone disagrees, there are problems'
asciilifeform: this is more or less an exact description of 'ask gossiptron to look up rating' except for the odd part where mircea_popescu wants it to be central or at least globally synchronized
asciilifeform: or at&t, or whoever the fuck is upstream, zimbabwe telecom.
asciilifeform: if it's ~exactly~ as now, then i get whatever verizon wants to substitute.
asciilifeform favours of keeping the set of 'everyone who matters must agree on this' as small as possible (but not smaller).
asciilifeform: building a throne hall when you know that the stable situation really consists of 10,001 margraves, imho is mistake.
asciilifeform: so now you have 10,000,001 'roots', which inevitably will happen when bahama throne falls, why not arrive at that situation ~deliberately~, rather than like (to steal from old mircea_popescu piece!) 'like teenage cowsie falls pregnant, willy-nilly'
asciilifeform: in global namespace a la dns -- they gotta have tank battle
asciilifeform: if i knew how to separate cognition and fizz, i'd be dictating terms to republic of california from dirigible fleet.
asciilifeform: how about when coca cola shows up with tank division after pepsicola registers 'coke.com' ?
asciilifeform: buluceala, i will posit, is a Bad Thing, like car wrecks on public thoroughfare, or resistive loss in electric lines.
asciilifeform: possibly there is another way to cut the namespace thing. question is 'does this hierarchical postulate increase or decrease buluceala ?'
asciilifeform: just like orthodox j0000z still turn on lights, run lifts, on shabbat
asciilifeform: y'know, usg.dns queries outsourced to archive.is box is still dns..
asciilifeform: and amd bakes magic key into mask rom.
asciilifeform: trinque: there is 'nexus of hierarchy' where we, e.g., study writings of mircea_popescu because they make sense and worth respect. and there is the other kind of hierarchy, where prb makes dns query using usg.glibc and internic root server is hardbaked into the code.
asciilifeform: because such a net isn't worth using.
asciilifeform: if it looks like usg dns, you have lost. definitionally.
asciilifeform: trinque: what, in your mind, does 'win' look like ?
asciilifeform: (see link, i narrowly missed drawing wot and whole shebang, through sheer thick-headedness )
asciilifeform: instead of palace economy with 1 table of names.
asciilifeform: btw asciilifeform suffered with this problem in '10, and even put the notes up on www ( http://kyristor.com ) then concluded that it was braindamaged waste of time
asciilifeform: to go upstack, i see nothing wrong with 'we all agree on how arithmetic works, do business with keys, sex -- with people'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anything pushed outside of its working envelope - breaks.
asciilifeform: and here we are speaking non-standardized commercial pidgin from long-dead empire, and it mostly worx..
asciilifeform: then refine specifically what means 'a lisp' here
asciilifeform: Framedragger: fact is, central table of anything at all, is a throne, i simply do not see the 'win' from retaining the throne.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: abstraction layering doesn't work. it is the great lie of the software age.
asciilifeform: so now you gotta replace all extant hardware.
asciilifeform: (incidentally, dns was cleverly designed by nato lackeys ~not to be~ cryptoencapsulable. for instance, it demands 512byte udp packet. go and wrap that in ANYTHING and see how fragments.)
asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, thread was about mircea_popescu's idea of recycling traditional dns, but using own root
asciilifeform: waaaiwat, why would you keep the unauthenticable crock of shit made of 10,001 ITU idiocies if you ~weren't~ gonna keep the code ?!
asciilifeform: keeps the infrastructure - the clients, servers.
asciilifeform: central namespaces are a dumb idea. i regard it as my duty to put this on record.
asciilifeform: this whole notion. that you can 'wrap' stupidity in something and hide it away.
asciilifeform: 'wrapping' is why software is garbage
asciilifeform: Framedragger: you cannot get rid of the idiocy of 10,000,001 lines of jwzola by 'wrapping' in anything
asciilifeform: Framedragger: worse than this, it is even difficult to quantity the cost of perpetuating the IDEA of a 'block cipher' as being A THING
asciilifeform: when you make use of something, successfully, you inevitably come to rely on it. this is a cost. i am still paying the cost for having used a python library in 2013.
asciilifeform: earlier this year, i wanted to fit symmetric cipher into trb, and get rid of 'blackholing' etc. but mircea_popescu correctly pointed out that it is the Wrong Thing to cement a pseudoscientific abortion like AES (or ANY OTHER known symmetric cipher!) into place
asciilifeform: (incidentally, if something runs ~solely~ on top of a system written in jwzc, it is to be counted as jwzc code, every line. just as every penny spent by an embezzler from his embezzled funds counts as mis-spent.)
asciilifeform: i will confess, that i judge any such effort first of all by one metric -- how many lines of jwz c code it EXTIRPATES
asciilifeform: (and transport link where nsa can flip any bit or drop any packet with impunity etc)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is retreat in that it keeps 10,000,001 lines of C written by teenagers
asciilifeform: which is to say, one or two 'wtf, i pressed / and got F15' every day
asciilifeform: an error of 500 ppm or so is already quite painful, palpably
asciilifeform: Framedragger: some months ago i restored a vintage keyboard, with capacitative matrix (contactless) which needed new controller and analogue calibration etc. it was interesting learning experience in that i never understood how ~motherfucking reliable~ an ordinary keyboard must be before it feels usable.
asciilifeform: which is why i'm not terribly thrilled with strategic retreats like 'let's keep dns but with our root' etc.☟︎
