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mircea_popescu: well... it'll pass with me for fairytale reasons (irl i wouldn't have any reason
to buy insurance on a fg, seeing how
that'll be
the day, and besides i got alf
to squeeze ; but let's play.)
mod6: lol, if i wanted
to get middleman'd, i'd get 'em from dpb!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm going
to roll
the FGs into
the rental cost of
the machine; 20% markup for a year paid up front for
the whole kit and caboodle if
that passes with you
☟︎ mircea_popescu: also, are you gonna sell 5
to mod6 for an instant paper profit ? lol.
ben_vulpes: can you jit
them
to me instead of your workshop?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'll
take 'em in exchange for
the note at 0.5.
ty!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, more generally, don't do
the work-for-drawer idiocy. do
things ; publish
them, and so on.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what exactly is
the benefit of redundancy in correct code ?
mircea_popescu: i guess. but
there's so much work not currently bering handled seems somewhat of a waste
to re-do
things already done.
spyked: mircea_popescu, do you mean
the irc logger? well, I figured moar redundancy can't do any harm; and it started as an occasion
to study
the various ways in which common lisp can handle
the various pieces (database, irc,
http). what I have so far is not very different from btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , only I made it a point
to avoid quicklisp and use manual imports etc.
spyked: translations. I've been piling 'em up and
taking
them in small bits, which makes
this very much non-productive work on
the short
term. I can prioritize if you deem any item
to be particularly important (and I
think it'd be best
to first publish some of
these before embarking on further quests)
spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786219 <-- hey,
that sounds like a really neat project, I wouldn't mind adding it
to
the list. on a related note, /me has been on a sort of semi-holiday for
the last 2 months, which led
to a lot of exploration on items of potential republican interest. e.g.
the ada lisp scriptlang, an irc logger bot (which I could spin into a rss bot),
the
text browser
thing and some out-of-the-blue ro-en
Trilema
☝︎ mircea_popescu: myeah. i spent an unpleasant coupla hours earlier at
this also
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you remember
this btw ? exact sister argument
to
the dioxin-less
tomato crate, but with "weigh EXACTLY, fucker" instead.
mircea_popescu: then we wonder why
the kids are "transgender". but as
their life conditions become more like
these offered by sea anemone (ie, a very sparse stone cubicle in a very hostile ocean),
the clows will naturally be more like clownfish.
a111: Logged on 2013-09-30 07:12 mircea_popescu: second largest.
The rest of
the group is made up of progressively smaller non-breeders, which have no functioning gonads. If
the female dies,
the male gains weight and becomes
the female for
that group.
The largest non-breeding fish
then sexually matures and becomes
the male of
the group.
a111: Logged on 2013-09-30 07:12 mircea_popescu: Protandrous hermaphrodites refer
to organisms
that are born male and at some point in
their lifespan change sex
to female. Protandrous animals include clownfish. Clownfish have a very structured society. In
the Amphiprion percula species,
there are zero
to four individuals excluded from breeding and a breeding pair living in a sea anemone. Dominance is based on size,
the female being
the largest and
the male being
the
jurov: oops i
tried
to decrypt oG7AA instead of MOuRX, nevermind
lobbes: re: dom, I've been wondering if it would be worth it
to leverage
this
to build
the
trees. alternative I guess would be
to parse
the downloaded files from archive.is and build based on
that
lobbes: this is making more and more sense,
ty.
mircea_popescu: but
the implications are far-reaching (for one example : sinonymy rings can be declared, whereby a set of images are declared equivalent
to
trilema's rss.svg, so i can simply see
that in
there instead of w/e insanity
the author picked)\
mircea_popescu: so in
this sense, keeping
the merkle
trees of sites is
the ultimate de-duping
mircea_popescu: nobody can possibly force you
to save image sluts-in-water-12.jpg EVERY
TIME some page links it. yes ?
mircea_popescu: lobbes webpages are just idiotic programs. you familiar with how
the dom works ? it's just a
tree structure, more grossly of resources ("img src=" ; script = " etc) and more finely of
tagged elements (<b> <div> etc).
a111: Logged on 2018-02-26 03:27 mircea_popescu: lobbes you understand what
the AST is for a [web]page [of code] ?
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786246 << ahh okay, I misunderstood (glad I asked). So each archived webpage will have its own abstract syntax
tree of
the code. Now I'm starting
to see
the utility in deduping (e.g. can ignore 'meaningless' changes between otherwise identical webpages (such as an extra whitespace, etc))
☝︎ ave1: I will finish blog post
this week
ave1: Yes,
that one is almost done, hard part is making a blog item, will do
that first
ave1: So request is
to create a rss-reader bot,
that can subscribe / unsubscribe on request from L1 only?
ave1: Also, as it happens on some bot code in ADA, but
this is slow going
lobbesbot: ave1: Sent 1 week, 3 days, 5 hours, and 53 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> so i finally
tested, exhaustively, and
turns out you were completely correct re
the inline pragma, gcc ~sometimes~ ( when it wants... ) inlines when it is not given in
the .ads . i'ma fix
this in ch12,
this find deserves own chapter, with re-done
timings for errything
mircea_popescu: lobbes you understand what
the AST is for a [web]page [of code] ?
☟︎ lobbes: and if 4) is correct,
then should
that be further broken down into a webpage hierarchy? Because if so, we may be limited using archive.is as a middle-man as
the zips it spits out do not have
the file structure intact; always 'flat' (e.g.
this archived orlol:
http://lobbesblog.com/archive/102.zip) lobbes: I am guessing it will be something like: 1) root 2) nodes for 'distinct url', each who has child nodes representing 3) historical instances of
that 'distinct url', each who has child notes representing 4)
the collection of files
that make up
that webpage
lobbes: so, here's what I understand
thus far re: my goal (plox
to correct me): essentially construct a 'tree' of
the set of all webpages archived.
the 'root' will be
the hash of all branches. where I'm still fuzzy is how
the remaining branhces/nodes are
to be structured (though perhaps
this may become clear
to me upon further study)
lobbes: mircea_popescu: while I'm still working
through my self-directed remedial mathematics studies
to understand merkle-trees at a functional level, what I have learned so far got me
thinking:
lobbes: neato
trinque. very useful
mircea_popescu: freenode is about as sparse as a camho's brain, no need
to get clever.
mircea_popescu: of course.
that's why i say, why not own
the central word.
trinque: ah other
than it being in
that language you keep in your
torture room, nothin!
trinque: under
the hood,
the wallet's called "mensarius"
mircea_popescu: well for one
thing one can't /ignore
the rss cuz of deedbot. it's a little much.
trinque: upstack a bit, I can see
the argument for separating functionality into meaningful (nick)names
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 02:41
TomServo: Wish I could help with any current woes, if
that's possible lemme know.
mircea_popescu: well, i was more probing if you actually want
to implement
the whole rss
thing yourself or pass it along
to some noob.
trinque: kinda overcomplicates my way of handling IRC
to separate into 3 connections
to IRC.
mircea_popescu: conceivably 2 should be a separate bot also ; but a) as long as
tyou're maintaining both and b)
they really need very much
the same level of security and assurance, it doesn't seem worth
the hassle.
mircea_popescu: 2 already works in pm, so
there's no absolute reason shouldn't work in any other channel, if you're willing
to put
the work into
that.
mircea_popescu: now as
to 1, i don't
think it should be out of chan, on one hand because "secret" deeds plainly don't make sense ; on
the other because
the voice
thing is ~probably~ premature in channel
that is both new and customer facing. but in principle certainly could in
the future have local l1 with voice model for diff channel, i
think.
mircea_popescu: so
there's
three classes of
things : 1. deedbot "proper" let's say, doing !!deed +
the wot +
the whole !!up system ; 2. deedbot payments ; 3. deedbot fluff, doing
things like rss.
trinque: they
then in
turn can publish responses
that exit
the
thing connected
to IRC
trinque: there's a publisher/subscriber model in use, services being subscribers which are notified of new messages
they might be interested in
trinque: it already does not do
this.
mircea_popescu: ah. so
then it's a name-only
thing, might as well have a rss bot name on
the rss bot item
trinque: I don't understand
the question.
trinque: anyhow,
this is definitely not some piece of gnarl.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes all
those pay withdraw etc work in pm afaik.
mircea_popescu: im not sure i want
to have you maintain rss-shenanigans as part of deedbot proper,
they're widely disjunct seriousness.
trinque: the whole
thing is modular.
ben_vulpes: having wallet commands would be handy, unless mircea_popescu wants
to see pizarro invoices/payments in #trilema
a111: Logged on 2018-02-19 14:56 mircea_popescu:
trinque should prolly make
the public blog rss
thing a l1 blackballable item. ie anyone deedbot
trusts can ask (in channel) for any item
to be discontinued -- and it is.
mircea_popescu: trinque what functions would work out of chan
though ? seems
the ones
that don't work in pm (!!deed say) shouldn't ; and
the ones
that work in pm... welll...
trinque: there'll be some fee involved for
those, would like
to hear what interested users are willing
to pay.
trinque: don't know if
that's interesting
to pizarro, but it's coming.
trinque: next item on
the list for
the wallet is subscription processing.
ben_vulpes: no need for voice over
there yet, but sure no rush
ben_vulpes: sweet
trinque does
that mean i can get deedbot in #pizarro
then?
trinque: spent a good amount of
time
today getting
the logbot-command class working with ben_vulpes' multiple channel support
trinque: alrighty, got some
timestamps
to make more human, but
there it is.
trinque: huh, got some wires crossed
then. bbl
mod6: nice
trinque ; so all movements per wot account 'eh?
trinque: no, it's
the wallet ledger for you
mod6: heh, does !!ledger encode
the whole block chain for a guy
to get?
trinque: all all
the commands are limited
to pm, one sec