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a111: Logged on 2018-11-23 17:58 mircea_popescu: but w/e, anything but install mp-wp, play eulora, etcetera. GOTTA LONEMAN OF INSANITY

ascii_modem: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-23#1874278 << apparently mircea_popescu so happy with my conveyor rate that he thinks not playing enuff game is a problem i have, lol ty! ☝︎

ascii_modem: diana_coman: feel free to put comment here or if long/detailed in #asciilifeform, i will read

a111: Logged on 2018-11-23 17:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-23#1874269 << this has actually been a problem he's been not fixing for over a year now.

deedbot: ascii_modem voiced for 30 minutes.

BingoBoingo: !!up ascii_modem

Mocky: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pQkcH/?raw=true

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looks like your MPEx proxies might have run away again

a111: Logged on 2018-11-23 17:05 diana_coman: when I say I can't comment I mean it barfs with "incorrect captcha" while the captcha thing says it's shut down so no word to enter

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "oh, these big ducks, fixing me the best worm yet!!" << Nice predator instincts

a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 00:27 mircea_popescu: who THE FUCK thought it's ok for the fs to not take arbitrary indices, like, ever, in the whole thirty seconds history of sitting-here-quietly-and-thinking-abnout-computers as it stretches from 1971 onwards.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman i am tempted to ditch paths.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, fixed-length strings get rid of all sorts of ugh pretty much everywhere; this being said, I can't quite tell what we need as filenames and recall that they include the path - I think that's the main reason why it will still be variable

mircea_popescu: re http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/22/smg-comms-chapter-9-files-transfers-and-requests/#selection-41.799-41.846 diana_coman you know we ~could~ do this. "all filenames are 32 characters long followed by a dot and 3 character extension". what's to keep us, filenames only exist as server declares them anyway.

lobbesbot: hanbot: Sent 1 hour and 40 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> let me guess, your znc ran out of batteries!

a111: Logged on 2018-11-22 15:51 mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell hanbot let me guess, your znc ran out of batteries!

lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.

mod6: Thanks diana_coman

a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:43 mircea_popescu: now as to new extensions... imo bad idea. there's manifests and things now.

asciilifeform: mod6: mircea_popescu specifically didn't want to change the file ext. ( but only barfed lightly when asciilifeform proclaimed 'i'ma make mine foo.kv.vpatch cuz i have 90000 private vpatches in old form' )

mod6: (I made a trb keccak tree over here, just about to test it out. So far, that was my only question. Once done testing and things, will bake blog posts about diana_coman's vk.pl and the grinding of the keccak vtree.)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presuming we're talking about an actual critter rather than eliza, can then assume that if it put down words, then meant ~sumthing~ ?

asciilifeform: diana_coman: pnoje-gps-ism is wildly popular in usa, where folx drive 100+km erry day and thing (nominally) walks'em around crashes/jams

asciilifeform: but worry is simply empty loop. ( and i think mircea_popescu hooks'em up to 220v when he finds'em doing it )

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Power outage is not for the rack

trinque: diana_coman: done

trinque: diana_coman: you want these aimed at you in pm?

deedbot: diana_coman subscription to http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/feed failed

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I tend to check it anyway for ref

mircea_popescu: diana_coman answered

a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 23:16 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867924 << ikr, multi-upload has been on the wishlist for mp-wp ever since... hey hanbot how long's it been now ?

mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/17/smg-comms-chapter-8-keys-management/#selection-47.534-47.627 << sounds exactly like teh right move.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'virtual' host is a server like public toilet stall is a flat

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo so next time ask! << Short fat socially awkward african from Sudan, at the time I figured he didn't have social captial outside of whatever feifdom his father carved

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, aha; and I wouldn't be surprised if clasa muncitoare resented them for it

mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know, even in commie time, they had more sense than this latino same hour idiocy. i distinctly recall various large factory bosses in cluj agreeing how to interleave their hours so as to not jampack the conveyances

asciilifeform: diana_coman: here, too, they tend to have it around clusters of 'worker' (office plankton) anthills , esp. the kind with underground garages and lengthy queues to get in/out

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Spanish girl athletes were odd. Ass deficient and giant calves

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Girl soccer world cup

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i am willing to swear no traffic systems work as intended in any orcistan. << Walking back from the place where rent is paid, there was ancient looking sad bus with police escort. Another U-17 female soccer team. First bus I have seen with police escort.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only speak what of what i personally witnessed , but presently in the 'software' arm of reich you gotta march in half a regiment or moar, to hire 1 platoon of folx who can 'hello world'

a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 17:14 bullcosby: mircea_popescu: any more pics of her?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly ref to that reddit chix ?

asciilifeform doesn't dispute mircea_popescu's model, as such, but would be surprised if propagation were instantaneous

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if this is how it worx, then evidently it's 2pi radian out of phase ( i.e. peak was when republic was at its lowest )

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says 'natural fluctuation, aint enriching goldman sachs, they do not in fact know exactly when the year's peak and trough will be in advance' then i'ma have to believe , i dun have mata haris to send to find out

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: given as you read my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 ( and then invited asciilifeform to party consequently ) you prolly know that asciilifeform is not fixated on magic 'fair'

asciilifeform: i dun have a perpetuum mobile in my pocket, 'here's how'. simply pointing out that ( as mircea_popescu wrote on his www looong before i tuned in ) 'tard with gigantic bag of dough can wreck whole planets' , and that today this role is played by usg rather than gaggle of free range forumtards

a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 16:41 mircea_popescu: empire is selling orcs the impression "they're in on a secret"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatever happend to 'they belong in the lime pit' . why 'thousand or two', their correct share is imho 0

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: per http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 / http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/ , cluckers -- go to soup, in all times an' places, but while there are cluckers , farmer eats well

a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 14:31 mircea_popescu: for as long as only slanty eyes has horses, all horse races however drafted will have their fucking horses winning.

asciilifeform: prolly 'lazy-evaluated', if mircea_popescu were to show up with a train load , they'll print with what to buy

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect one prolly ~could~ carry on a lengthy thread sewn strictly from trilema titles.

asciilifeform tries to picture bot an intelligent mircea_popescu-seeking fetgurl might write, to search for mircea_popescus

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds like yer bot just possibly ran into ~second~ bot 'of opposite sex'

a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 05:04 mircea_popescu: the whole 23 / 25 / 29 then 59 / 19 / 31 regular tri-cycling is kinda suspicious.

a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 19:10 mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware

a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:43 mircea_popescu: a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta.

a111: Logged on 2014-01-24 13:03 mircea_popescu: like sailing, exactly. you can go just fine either with or against either wind or current

a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 02:12 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2018/11/forkcoin-that-split-from-bitcoin-now-struck-by-contentious-hardfork/#comment-120500 << srsly the usg tards are pushing that wright imbecile as their spearhead ? what, nobody thinking left in the "think" fishtanks ?!

asciilifeform dun presently have time, sadly , to play mud, but if lives to see peacetime would much rather play mircea_popescu's than anybody's

asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu is right, esp re 'dun have domain-restricted walker', tech aint there yet

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:10 ben_vulpes: and i never used a program because, (again cannot find the log link in reasonable-response time) at one point i was working on a schema for tracking customers and what they were paying for and mircea_popescu said something along the lines of "wtf this is a simple text file and accounting problem"

asciilifeform: while we're on subj, mircea_popescu do you think it'd make sense to keep books vtronically? or would it be a case of 'take the rifle to fishing'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin was changed 'inside' on my watch, but seems like there were arithmetical howler at some pt, so i suppose effectively same

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was linear tape of changes.

asciilifeform: wb mircea_popescu !

asciilifeform: 'volatility is a tax' or how did mircea_popescu phrase it in the old days.

bvt: thanks for discusion, asciilifeform, diana_coman. i'm off to bed.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 22:42 diana_coman: bvt> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873650 << well, if i do common part (api) first, then diverging system-specific branches, i still could add new functionality on top of *each* of these branches. i don't like this option. -> perhaps unsurprisingly, the part that one doesn't like is however actually correct i.e. yes, you'll have to maintain the two separately if they are separate; hence my original "they are 2 trees" - because that's

asciilifeform: to put it in mircea_popescuine terminology -- the scenario that v makes specifically and rightfully impossible is 'hey, i changed 'wife' to 'dog' in your marriage contract, but yer still just as married, you signed all the downstreams'

asciilifeform: diana_coman has it ( i'm expanding pedantically specifically for n00bs, but same point )

asciilifeform: v makes it possible to sign a compartmentalized change , so reader is not stuck having to manually diff contents of signed_foo.today.tar.gz against signed_foo.tomorrow.tar.gz to see where the changes were. but what it deliberately does ~not~ do is to enable the pretense ( carried on in git & other heathen abominations ) that a proggy where something semantically upstream of $place were changed, is ~same~ proggy ~but for $place~ .

asciilifeform: diana_coman: consider, if i'd done 'api first' for udp, would have ended up with ~same thing as ave1's hairball, i.e. 'just like gnat.sockets but maybe slightly less sad'

bvt: and also i got useful feedback (thanks, diana_coman!)

a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 11:50 mircea_popescu: experience kinda seems to indicate trying to have the same model for two things is a recipe for tears in this "industry" of apes and aping, but then again... man gotta try.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 11:46 diana_coman: bvt, that sounds like you want to start then the tree with ..the API? otherwise at any rate, the user CAN use the same API with whatever provides it, no?

a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 18:27 mircea_popescu: im sure nobody had the sense to create a "total payout to defecting miners" watch, because hey, they're "developers" not thinkers.

a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 18:26 mircea_popescu: well, it slowly builds, until the miners defect.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702759 << eventually this will necessarily happen, yes. "segwit" transactions are stored on the bitcoin network as "anyone can spend", so eventually miners will unroll the segwit chain. how soon is not easily predicted (which is why the idea is stupid/usg-like, introduces impredictability in the currency)

asciilifeform: tho i think mircea_popescu had one, iirc it was 'they're letting the sow fatten for table', approx

BingoBoingo: tyvm ben_vulpes

a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 20:52 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873291 - noted and added to the list though it might still take some time to get up to speed with ffa again

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873480 << this is entirely ok, diana_coman , there is not a burning hurry ( tho i expect that anybody who intends on firing ffa on battlefield will first take the time to properly eat it ) ☝︎

mod6: ben_vulpes: In case you are curious, here is the full notes file from the end of august, just for posterity: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5ZN91/?raw=true

a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 05:30 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: why does mod6's ledger show a transaction for 0.1 btc to you on august 12th and then back from you on august 17th? it doesn't affect the accounting, but i am perplexed as you both stated that your ledgers in these shared notes contained all of your pizarro transactions with noted exceptions that do not include that transaction.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 05:06 ben_vulpes: mod6: why does the net change in pizarro's cash account for august not equal the difference between the sum of incoming and outgoing cash transactions?

a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 06:31 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tHcxD/?raw=true (these missives have not been encrypted, only signed. if any would like to read, please do.)

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873558 << Thanks for the audit report ben_vulpes. Looks like you figured out this (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873555) from your report notes. ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 07:54 bvt: mircea_popescu: i understand that empty genesis (well, it's not precisely empty, there is a manifest file) is suboptimal, however:

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i assumed the worst, that asciilifeform would have to somehow fit whole thing on his already packed conveyor.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 07:09 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've sketched out a set of tables that could hold all pizarro data accounting data and generate statements; the only remaining puzzlers are modeling subscriptions, prepay, and asset depreciation. would you like me to complete the design, put sql to disk and turn this into an accounting spreadsheet for pizarro?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873558 << got it; loox like it is ready to mechanize, ben_vulpes ..? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 16:40 mircea_popescu: spyked> I think there's great benefit in the ffa chapter-based approach << that ~started with a genesis~.

bvt: mircea_popescu: i understand that empty genesis (well, it's not precisely empty, there is a manifest file) is suboptimal, however: ☟︎

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give it a play with as I work through more punch list items

mod6: Like I said, Mr. P. I'll be stepping away. I only remain just to answer ben_vulpes's questions.

mod6: (18:25) <ben_vulpes> .2 is sitting in bingoboingo's posession, and .3 was sent to mats in july, so reduce the cash balance by .5 and that's what i'll deliver you