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BingoBoingo: Very nice. Wearing a six shooter on your hip yet?
asciilifeform: aha. and among these, quite a few like this, where the Right Thing was not found specifically cuz it was not available at the ~scale~ of the demo model.
mp_en_viaje: see, here's wjhat i don't understand : why oar ? should have had closely fitted rod powering a propeller of some sort, and have a reverse spiral carved at the fitting juncture
a111: Logged on 2019-05-09 00:44 mp_en_viaje: the question of "can computers think" becomes "how far can this actually go", just how useful a computer can there be built.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-09#1912142 << in 1721 a (wooden, pedalled) submarine was demoed in front of peter 1. he also asked 'how far can it go.' paid to build coupla moar. eventually unimpressed and demoted the builder to ordinary shipyard carpenter. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: i have come to suspect the ideal arrangement for the average male is having a house with a pool in a sunny climate and a ~17 yo daughter who has a lot of sleepovers.
mp_en_viaje: well, watching girls in bikinis. honestly i think most men would much prefer hanging out with a bunch of scantily clad girls they're not fucking than actually have lots of sex.
spyked: (in the 70s-80s I mean; neptun's a ghost town nowadays)
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 15:00 phf: mp_en_viaje: it's the shitsoup ecosystem, there's a handful of packages smartly written, like hunchentoot or cl-http, and then there's new wave of cffi-everything approaches, that stand tall and pretend to be people
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911562 <-- I will give hunchentoot a second look as well, in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911437 ☝︎☝︎
mp_en_viaje: the question of "can computers think" becomes "how far can this actually go", just how useful a computer can there be built. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: that'd be a "think" more like submarine swimming.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the problem here is this : i have various constructions in the real world, built out of people, who indeed think. their thinking covers 99% or so of the cases they encounter ; when a 1% strikes, they kick it up the ladder.
asciilifeform once actually said, to understudy, long ago : 'picture if when you overrun a buffer, you were to lose half yer face'
asciilifeform even suspects that this magic moment is a necessary ingredient in apprentice's learning not to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-04-26 03:21 asciilifeform: 'certain languages support serious programmers, and others don't. e.g., I don't think it is at all possible to become a serious programmer using Visual Basic or Perl. if you think hard about what Perl code will do on the borders of the known input space, your head will explode. if you write Perl code to handle input problems gracefully, your programs will become gargantuan: the normal failure mode is to terminate with no id
asciilifeform: while we're on the 'best comp is the 1 that takes off yer head to shorten the misery' thread : asciilifeform did in fact get sumthing like a working highlighting from yesterday's crock of shit . but still can't trust it to actually not fuck the job , demonstrating mp_en_viaje's point ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, point is, that the helmputter seems a much better design ~towards the same goals~ as these computer things.
asciilifeform: a+++
asciilifeform: i wonder if builder was a former nuke maintainer. setup is suspiciously reminiscent of ye olde pit detonator setup.
mp_en_viaje: prolly just fromaldehyde bath for a week
mp_en_viaje: like a helmet, except it doesn't protect the skull.
mp_en_viaje: a helmputer.
mp_en_viaje: yes, expected. but that expectation's not right. why https://media0dk-a.akamaihd.net/20/96/fe91e3fba3f74c392717b5e132544a3e.jpg is not helmet.
mp_en_viaje: ever see someone bashing literal head against literal wall over a division ?
asciilifeform: seems like a matter of convention
mp_en_viaje: you're not telling the whole truth here, seeing how even peh ended up with a stack. i know when i'm being led on, the computer's clearly not a calculator.
mp_en_viaje: if it's a calculator why does it have control instructions.
asciilifeform: it's still a calculator, lol. ( recall, 'computer' was simply name of a kind of shoemaker, i.e. d00d who would calculate repeatedly based on given 'loop' )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 01:46 asciilifeform grunting out a wp colorizer mode for peh, and it's maddening, php is ~undebuggable garbage
mp_en_viaje: that's a calculator.
mp_en_viaje: what is the computer a tool for ?
mp_en_viaje: "hammer drives nails" "so if i ever need a nail driven i can use it ?" "definitely" "what's a computer do" "it kompyoots" "what's that ?" "umm..." "so what class of problem can it solve for me ?" "well, if you're one day bored..." "this never happens" "how about if you feel like helping many people you've never met ?" "..."
a111: Logged on 2018-07-29 16:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-29#1838170 << argentines are literally and without exageration a bunch of soy farmers who pretend FOR NO REASON conceivable, a circumstance of which they are aware AND PRETEND IT DOES NOT MATTER! AT ALL!, pretend they say they're something in the vein of "third power in europe". and that they might have such things as submarines, and so on. it's literally pig going through girls' charm cabinet a
mp_en_viaje: i'm still not fucking agreeing with djikstra's hipsterism. "submarines can swim" from point a to point b. argentine submarines evidently can't fucking swim ; and djikstra's a fucking retard for imagining "moving through water" is a good model for "thinking". ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile by reading through old tomes, „ Alan M. Turing thought about criteria to settle the question of whether Machines Can Think, a question of which we now know that it is about as relevant as the question of whether Submarines Can Swim”
asciilifeform: the ones sold (yes still sold, somehow) in usa, are 100% cartel-compliant, go for about a yr.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i bought the "edison lamps", but the filament rather than the fake diode ones, fully expecting they'll go out in a month. they're still lighting cr fortress, easily 2, maybe even 3k hours later.
BingoBoingo: Not all visibility is a color thing. It's a high contrast effect. Take away their color and the old hags are all fault.
asciilifeform: aand as such stories often end : coupla yrs later, tried to buy a 2nd, only to find that orig maker has vanished.
asciilifeform: incidentally, it is in fact possible to buy diode lamp that ain't a piece of shit. but strictly from chinese, and it costs actual dough, and physically large (flat heat sink, ~removable~ rectifier)
asciilifeform: sodium a+++ lamp, where in edisonic lamp filament sublimates and sputters onto the glass, in sodium lamp the sublimated tungsten ends up going ~right back~ onto filament ( if somehow could be made to go back to exactly same place as came from -- lamp would be in fact eternal. as it is, 10y or so )
mp_en_viaje: nfi what his issue is either, i left him a laptop for the express purpose, free of charge, all set up.
mp_en_viaje: well yes, but not if you get a reputation for doing inane bs.
mp_en_viaje: think for a moment what chaos'd ensue if that were how it worked.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno dood, same as always, pay 3% income tax, get 16% discount on euro-vat for construction materials, have employer at your disposal for w/e purposes you might want to employ for, it's a list.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can you think of a use for it ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, eh, listen you. it's very bad form, this infantile "ima start things and forget about them". you didn't want it anymore, cuz for whatever reason, can just call the guy and tell him so, not end up with lengthy service you didn't want / did not intend to use. or for that matter answers his emails or w/e. wtf expire, who ever heard of such a thing.
asciilifeform: iirc there was a mircea_popescu piece re similar 'give'em price' from '90s, where the derps sold off their privatized flats a la ru
mp_en_viaje: i mean, what difference is there between a herd of "electorate" kept captive for just 2-3 chosen morons to "buy their votes", and a herd of "ambitious young women" kept captive for just 2-3 chosen morons to "seduce" them ?
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, not to mention, at least give the stupid cunts a fair price for their whoredom.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> as it stands being mayor of some small town somewhere will run you less than what a toyota costs. << And if the Balmers et al run up the cost of mayorship, that is a damned honest signal to the rest of the world that giving away the franchise to all that fall out of a cunt for free is gravely underpricing the franchise.
mp_en_viaje: as it stands being mayor of some small town somewhere will run you less than what a toyota costs. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: for some reason you make ineptitude a point of pride. https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-arhiva-1248255-4-000-voturi-cumparate-pentru-nastase.htm was more the point.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc ~this~ already for sale ( i even got a quote ) but sorta ridic. price (iirc 800k ameridubloons )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: buying is an honest process. It's possible to price a purchase. The current herpity derp herd the derps process is fundamentally dishonest.
asciilifeform: perhaps microshit will put in a bid. ( they seem to really like ro for some reason )
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, guilds were professional organisations. this is a political entity.
mp_en_viaje: people who buy a bitcoin also get a bitcoin
mp_en_viaje: i'm not going to break politics just because romanians gatherfed in large groups, did the student thing where everyone dropped a buck and thereby invented some schmuck "just as good as any Mircea come from afar"
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: politics is a very alien thing ; and tbh part of the exercise I see precisely in actually showing what that is as opposed to what it "came to be"; similar to what "afaceri" seems to mean if you look at "afaceristi" and so on
asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand some part of this, the recipe adds up to a faster, moar streamlined version of ukraine
asciilifeform: apropos of thread, we just had a 'city dogcatchers' election here. mayor re-elected unopposed.
asciilifeform: the mexicans a++ achieved this in usa somehow w/out a party, tho
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, either that or refused to admit it. "a majority of mensheviks" etc.
mp_en_viaje: seems rather opposite, lenin went back to moscow formed microscopic lolparty. by any measure bolsheviks were a numeric joke.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this "risk" happened once before, mp & friends (tho in all fairness friends & mp) invented party and in a few years took it to leading government. mp wanted no office, left.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:46 mp_en_viaje: but in any case, a seat in europarliament seems to me within conceivable achievement, esp if alliance.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911809 << Giving spyked a chair in EU parliament seems like great PR/Marketing opportunity ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:50 mp_en_viaje: anyways, i'm not pushing for an insta-answer or anything ; but my thinking is if you both are interested an' nobody comes up with some major unseen flaw, ima draw a draft statute/documents w/e an' talk to my lawyer about it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911793 << iirc there were a few similar trololols on this here side of ocean. e.g. 1 fella ran for pres on platform consisting solely of 'will have bush -- impaled' ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: for the rotaku club : here's a most foamy, in places stylistically vitriolic, antique mp - diana_coman lampoon set. 1. http://trilema.com/2011/vindem-casa-fara-utilitati/ ; 2. http://ossasepia.com/2011/08/28/cand-intentia-bate-realitatea/ ; 3. http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-rele/ ; 4. http://ossasepia.com/2011/08/28/raspuns-autorului-ultragiat/
diana_coman: basically for a different hole that they think it'll fill
diana_coman: re ro politics, while my hometown is one in which ~everything is "political" (petrol industry), that part was always more about feathering X's or Y's nest so I wouldn't use that to get an idea of anything; onth re what I see as political, the way the situation in Ro reads to me is that ultimately people are desperately (and beyond i.e. without hope) looking for someone to take responsibility aka a master essentially.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, only one, and just recently (2000s, during basescu electorals). but yeah, that's a good idea
mp_en_viaje: "Anamaria Suru, în vârstă de 29 de ani, a fost găsită fără viaţă, luni, 22 aprilie, pe marginea unui drum forestier din pădurea din localitatea Secu, la aproximativ trei kilometri de Reşiţa." for the dead hookers files.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 22:09 mircea_popescu: in other news, mp takes girl to picnic at neighbourhood park, she goes naked, within 15 minutes there's half a dozen local cops around the blanket being all concerned.
diana_coman: numai cine n-a chiar trait la sat/ vorbit pe bune cu oamenii de acolo crede c-ar fi ceva asa extraordinar si de neintalnit
mp_en_viaje: Fata a fost preluată de echipaje de Poliţie şi SMURD şi transportată la Spitalul de Psihiatrie "Socola" Iaşi." ; "Răzvan Ciobanu, bătut crunt de față cu vecinii. Scene cumplite trăite de regretatul designer înainte de moarte"
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other topics, "O fată în vârstă de 13 ani, din comuna Negomir, judeţul Gorj, este însărcinată în cinci luni, după ce ar fi întreţinut relaţii sexuale cu un vecin în vârstă de 63 de ani." ; "Studentă la medicină, goală puşcă în centrul Iaşului. A fost prinsă de poliţişti într-o scară de bloc. Tânăra de 26 de ani vorbea în limba franceză, scrie presa locală.
diana_coman: I don't think there is much that in there; different sorts of ridoinculous as far as I can see i.e. the schmuck that found himself with money vs the schmucks that found themselves "writing a newspaper".
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 22:53 mircea_popescu: you mean the idle schmuck that had a topless wife for an occasion once and they all threw a ridoinculous fit ?
mp_en_viaje: https://a1.ro/showbiz/vedete/dan-camarzan-si-a-pus-iubita-capra-in-public-id51756.html << kinda weaksauce hedonism, but w/e.
diana_coman: "a aderat la un cult si din aceasta cauza a devenit de nerecunoscut"
mp_en_viaje: imagine this fucking horror, some dork stabs you in your sleep and then it's like "here, let me tell you what i think about chick-fill-a"
mp_en_viaje: https://www.bzi.ro/milionarul-dan-camarzan-s-a-schimbat-in-totalitate-de-ceva-timp-a-fost-retinut-de-politisti-pentru-omor-692802 << subject. apparently ro millionaire "joined a cult", strangled his grandmother.
mp_en_viaje: in other luzl http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Q5CY1/?raw=true << euro wank re "informed consent" resulted in... automated solution. there's a list of cookies this fairly popular ro magazine thinks it should get to use.
mp_en_viaje: this doesn't seem a small thing for me, that if "mp, radu gyr, mircea eliade etc go into a bar... and mp comes up uber alles".
mp_en_viaje: but it did produce http://trilema.com/2013/romanias-new-right/#comment-93307 l which i daresay is one of the finest bits i ever wrote in romanian, not to mention a fineer piece than the iron guard ever produced
mp_en_viaje: i'm not even sure i could ever get to writing down a list so complete as to have that sorta nothing figure on its own merits on it.
mp_en_viaje: but conversely : if there is someone we'll be none the sorrier for it. and if there isn't... what exactly do i have to regret re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911779 thing ? that i spent a few grand on getting that party the only headquarters it eve rhad ? or what, some booze some kids drank off me ? ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: anyways, i'm not pushing for an insta-answer or anything ; but my thinking is if you both are interested an' nobody comes up with some major unseen flaw, ima draw a draft statute/documents w/e an' talk to my lawyer about it. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: but in any case, a seat in europarliament seems to me within conceivable achievement, esp if alliance. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: well, the same math that yielded "tmsr should get a church registered in the us", that then danielpbarron judged "these ppl are too dorky to bother for, i'd much rather work with some ok rurals" yields party in yurp.
diana_coman: ah, you mean as a sort of practical irl item
mp_en_viaje: when i go back to cr, why not just leave the mp residence in yurp so others can enjoy a visit/stay ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: as a sort of tmsr.ro ? or what would the difference be exactly as I don't quite grok in what way a "political party" is not already included in tmsr as it were
spyked needs to grok this for a bit. otoh, finds the experiment worthwhile, but a. has 0 exp with politics (other than following to some degree the local affairs) and b. doesn't know how would the battle on two fronts (i.e. the social-democrats and the xtian socialists) would work strategically
mp_en_viaje: end pensions as a concept, remove personal bankruptcy (replace with prison term), restrict corporations to corporation sole, no more aggregate...
mp_en_viaje: a yeah, deny driver licenses to any who aren;t either professional drivers or in a liberal profession. and especially to "it experts", actresses/singers/newswomen etcetera.