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mircea_popescu: going through
a game of go is rare among endeavours in that i can't be doing other things.
mircea_popescu: not in
a manner "technical knowledge" or say
a blueprint is.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 17:16:26; mircea_popescu: much as in the case of
a recent game of go - what exactly would it being clear or unclear to you do ?
mircea_popescu: much as in the case of
a recent game of go - what exactly would it being clear or unclear to you do ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
a strength both understood and tried to be replicated by
a bunchy of lesser copies throughout the "unalligned" movement and well beyond.
mircea_popescu: and to disabuse THAT notion, i don't personally think stalin was either very apt, very smart, or any sort of example to be followed. is, indeed,
a notable example for all sorts of things,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not doing more shit for free in this context ; not only because it is outrageous for the recipients of charity to direct the disbursement of charity, but most of all because the end result of
a world kept clean, warm and humming along on charity is
a disproportionate feeling of power in the idle denizens, who then end up running into "steel walls".
mircea_popescu: and on the other hand, the lulzy "
a man that doesn't believe in allah can't possibly not go on
a murdering rampage" deeply held if ridiculous, and certainly unexamined belief of egyptian peasants, except translated in time and space to you know, "one in
a position of authority is necessarily both bad and responsible!"
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:36:05; mircea_popescu: there's
a bunch of people who, however poor may they be irl, are still not driven by the poverty so to speak.
phf: mircea_popescu: hey some people clearly want to see blood. i think judgement should exclusively affect only people's wot ratings and is necessary for when the issue is complicated and needs an investigation. sort of like
a write up that supreme court judges do. nobody even needs to agree with it
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 16:13:22; mircea_popescu: by all means. hence, " and if there's
a single icann in the lot with enough actual gumption to put together
a hostile takeover package, i'll certainly consider it."
solrodar: I think the real problem here is not the solvency or otherwise of bitbet, but the fact that mircea_popescu and kakobrekla have had
a breakdown in trust and no longer want to work with each other
mircea_popescu: judge is going to rule "hey, mp must continue to spend liberally to try and build
a thing out of nothing - BUT THIS TIME WE DECIDE HOW MUCH AND ON WHAT!!1" thus turning tmsr into the 51 state ?
mircea_popescu: yes, in
a different life had you grown to be
a jew and went into commercial law rather than kaballah, you would have done fine.
phf: jurov: and when judge passes
a verdict and mp does not comply or whatever the outcome is we can say "tmsr as an instituation has failed and we can walk away" i mean, what's the problem there?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is, like anything else,
a voluntary position.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:32; phf: i think this question is receiving far less attention then the alleged miner collusion. i would've liked to see it approached through
a judge (perhaps moon is
a harsh mistress style "would you be our judge?"),
a carefully constructed paper, an investigation, rather than bickering in logs. i think the question is also separate from receivership and is about ensuring that the rest of tmsr maintain
a shared vision
PeterL: mircea_popescu what about the part of the listing that says shares will be paid out
a minimum of 0.00001 ? If selling the domain+code does not cover the 17btc shortfall and this minimum, are you and kakobrekla expected to pay this out of pocket?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this usually attracts talkers, if they be any good, at least. exactly the same way it worked for satoshi, and exactly the same way it always seems to work out,
a little later you look around and there's all this democracy and "consumers have come to expect" and general bullshit imported, which you don't even rightly feel able to explain whence it came.
mircea_popescu: there's
a bunch of people who, however poor may they be irl, are still not driven by the poverty so to speak.
☟︎☟︎ phf: i think this question is receiving far less attention then the alleged miner collusion. i would've liked to see it approached through
a judge (perhaps moon is
a harsh mistress style "would you be our judge?"),
a carefully constructed paper, an investigation, rather than bickering in logs. i think the question is also separate from receivership and is about ensuring that the rest of tmsr maintain
a shared vision of what has transpired,
☟︎☟︎☟︎ phf: into
a controversial protocol behavior, mp called it "miners are conspiring against bitbet". you can personally call mp stupid for that, but there's no "crime" there.
☟︎ phf: nubbins`: i think it's
a pointless to discuss (and takes away from the core of the issue) whether or not miners are conspiring against bitbet. ascii's been known to say that lizard hitler personally disconnected his node, nobody cared to pipe in then, because it's an established local way of talking and thinking (не веришь прими за сказку). miners are
a cartel, they can collectively decide what the protocol behavior should be
☟︎ phf: nubbins`: it's
a shame that you chose this approach for your denouncement. some people are here (myself, maybe ascii) not to make money, but to fuck around with novel ways of doing things. it would've been nifty if, as
a "lord" if you will, you picked up the game and made your accusations formal, maybe solicited
a judge from the wot, made it interesting somehow! you don't have to obviously, but the approach that you chose was basic and
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: and this is mp's fault, because unlike everyone else he at least you know, try to run the daycare for half
a decade ?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 15:56:32; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why would anyone step into receivership.
a fee of anything less than the bill is lulzy small and will tar the receiver. doing it for free is chumpishly cleaning up mircea_popescu's mess.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432210 << so basically we have
a community full of people who confuse "voice of sanity" and "people on tilt" liberally, and by and large is willing to "discuss" everything from this arm's length position of "whatever, as long as we're spending other people's money here's what we think", but by and large can't do anything AT ALL ?
☝︎ mircea_popescu: if you ever throw
a party somewhere that isn't in
a swamp i wanna come.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 14:51:36; phf: "it is impermissible and foreign to the spirit of marxism-leninism to elevate one person, to transform him into
a superman possessing supernatural characteristics akin to those of
a god."
solrodar: so I have proven
a certain amount of technical skill, but this role would also need proven good judgement
mircea_popescu: you don't, however, have
a manner to walk out of this WITH bitbet, no matter what discussions may pass. it does not belong to you, irrespective what you may think.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 14:39:06; kakobrekla: it would be trivial for me to generate
a list (and for him to confirm its legit) of bettors that need to be refunded, he can then take
a haircut for the expenses that brought bb down (nothing i can do bout it) and case closed
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 14:04:26; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i did also. and we had
a sorta diploma work thesis at the school i went to, and mine was re: feasibility of solving go via neural net...
solrodar: that's what would distinguish
a receiver from an arbitrator
solrodar: snorera: there is no reporting, it's
a fiduciary arrangement, they can't actually control what the receiver does
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let's just think about 'mods' for
a moment.
davout: s.mpoe taking
a serious beating today :/
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why would anyone step into receivership.
a fee of anything less than the bill is lulzy small and will tar the receiver. doing it for free is chumpishly cleaning up mircea_popescu's mess.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 14:35:55; nubbins`: hey, do you guys remember yesterday when MP said he'd steal 750 BTC worth of outstanding bets if he can't find
a receiver for bitbet?
gribble: cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <cazalla> (which in
a round about way, probably is ha)
thestringpuller: bystander shouldn't be standing up during
a bank robbery!!!1
nubbins`: You weren't caught in some occult and unknowable coincidence that was out of your hands [when you chose to send
a 0-fee tx and you got bitten as
a result]. You either didn't make sure you understood the basics of using bitcoin, or else you decided not to care.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: pretty difficult to test
a defective reactor
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: that happened, and we found it was tx malleability, not
a cartel...
nubbins`:
a desire to see the world bend instead of him, etc
nubbins`: "Failing to use tx fees is mooching. Using
a (notoriously inept) "service" that fails to use tx fees is also mooching."
nubbins`: asciilifeform hanbot had some pretty sage advice
a few years back that was severely overlooked by all parties
nubbins`: no, although mp's demonstrated
a karpeles-esque mastery of the protocol lately
nubbins`: in the sense that
a lemonade stand is not
a food service business, regardless of the nickels rolling around the lemons
snorera: or someone dropped
a fucking polar bear orf the deep end
assbot: Successfully added
a rating of 5 for kakobrekla with note:
a principled and honourable businessman.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 14:51:36; phf: "it is impermissible and foreign to the spirit of marxism-leninism to elevate one person, to transform him into
a superman possessing supernatural characteristics akin to those of
a god."
phf: "it is impermissible and foreign to the spirit of marxism-leninism to elevate one person, to transform him into
a superman possessing supernatural characteristics akin to those of
a god."
☟︎☟︎ nubbins`: was there
a massive mempool backlog?
kakobrekla: speaking of: i had
a 0 fee transaction confirmed today. it was made by mistake on or before 26 feb. and was not visible on any block explorer for the period of 18 days.
nubbins`: asciilifeform at the risk of once again putting words in kakobrekla's mouth, i think it's just
a case of kako being unwilling to sign off on "expenses" introduced by mp that kako felt were not legit
nubbins`: no, i'd tell bettors to sign
a statement with the address they used to fund their bets, in order to receive
a refund
kakobrekla: it would be trivial for me to generate
a list (and for him to confirm its legit) of bettors that need to be refunded, he can then take
a haircut for the expenses that brought bb down (nothing i can do bout it) and case closed
☟︎ nubbins`: what's the maximum allowed length of
a bet on bitbet?
nubbins`: hey, do you guys remember yesterday when MP said he'd steal 750 BTC worth of outstanding bets if he can't find
a receiver for bitbet?
☟︎ thestringpuller: not everyone can have
a fully vertically integrated business from the get go
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 20:57:48; mircea_popescu: hence my comment about fragility. there are two main threads here that would-be bitcoin entrepreneurs must heed quite closely. one is that - your expense structure is not either
a) in your own control or b) specificable. for as long as your business model involves bitcoin as it currently exists, you're doing the economic equivalent of linking remote dlls.
thestringpuller: that seems to be
a practical problem of neural nets. had an ex who's best friend's dad at the time worked on AI. He told me this story about how they were training
a neural net to identify enemy tanks from allied tanks. well all the allied tanks had good pictures. the enemy tanks were recon photos taken at night. So the nn ended up learning to tell difference between photos taken at night vs day
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was
a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to
a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as
a refrigerator, etc)
thestringpuller: I'll text-ify it later. But I guess point it, don't you think computational power plays
a role in what AI does in practice?
thestringpuller: that's why that article was so interesting to me as
a 13 year old since the AI in games was exhibiting emergent behavior not seen previously. (or at least throughout my childhood)
thestringpuller: I have
a soft spot for neural networks cause I spent many of my 8th grade lunches in the library building them.