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asciilifeform: (the 'sanity proxy', if you will, for trb)
asciilifeform: it might be worth mircea_popescu's time to write a detailed sketch of this item.
asciilifeform: (imho good idea)
asciilifeform: aite, this is the interpose thing
asciilifeform: your 'b' : mempool+networking, 'a' -- blockchain ?
asciilifeform: explicitly, where do you propose the cut
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: draw the cut plox
asciilifeform: (really, a 'c', 'a' speaks blockchain and 'b' speaks mempool)
asciilifeform: so b there is the 'third' contemplated earlier.
asciilifeform: who's b ?
asciilifeform: because if not, then naturally -- not.
asciilifeform: so you end up needing a third. (supposing that you are trying to speak the old protocol, with heathens!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the tcp stack per se does not offer any means whereby two proggies speak simultaneously through 1 socket
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: 1 process, in which all threads share (quite catastrophically, as readers of trb ml will know) the heap.
asciilifeform: (as it presently does)
asciilifeform: i parsed it as the sense-making 'build to one binary'
asciilifeform: ( BingoBoingo quit drink, adlai, iirc, quit lsd, so there is no one left to think this sort of notion )
asciilifeform: i dun recall anyone ever suggesting that trb be distributed as exe...
asciilifeform: 'requires 80% of gossipd' would be a stronger statement, but then i'd have to explain which 80
asciilifeform: everyone will clap.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: feel free to suggest solution that does not 'require gossipd' but is also not perlistic ducttape.
asciilifeform: (what does the thing that actually speaks with peers look like, in your view ? peers will ask for, and send, blocks AND tx, on same socket, as per current protocol.)
asciilifeform: trinque: it isn't , currently, clear to me that you can make this cut cleanly without hard-breaking with the traditional protocol. ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562019 << possibly thread ☝︎
asciilifeform: we recently had a thread, where i described how parts of phuctor are quite slow precisely because of such decoupling.
asciilifeform: i get it, the 'decouple everything', 'unix philosophy!!!' thing is appealing. but it runs into practical limits.
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: the sad part is that this is 'embarrassingly parallel'
asciilifeform: how does 'tx sender' work ?
asciilifeform: trinque: looks reasonable
asciilifeform: trinque: what, in your analysis, is the set of orthogonal pieces 'wallet' breaks into ?
asciilifeform: (to learn how much coin you actually have)
asciilifeform: (incoming blocks?)
asciilifeform: davout: your (hypothetical? or is it done?) uncoupled-wallet -- what does it eat ?
asciilifeform: (~everyone thinks of this, and tries it: once)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever actually try this? cyanoacrylate has ~0 torsion strength
asciilifeform: or 120mm mortar.
asciilifeform: why not woodchipper.
asciilifeform: lol, perforator
asciilifeform: 'Вот царевна под замком / стонет сизым голубком, / слезы тяжкие роняет, / за свечой свечу вставляет... / Извела уж сто свечей, / а ничуть не легче ей.' ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: related http://xwap.me/books/36430/Skazka-skolzkaya-nemnozhko.html << supposedly written in gulag
asciilifeform: ^^^
asciilifeform: does BingoBoingo work on anything smaller than tractor ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and where do i buy a 'breaker bar' that fits 0.5mm screw.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lel, mallet on lcd? german optics ? etc
asciilifeform: 'demise of lispm' applied universally.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah but the 'moment of truth' comes when you go and buy 3, 4 figure (usd) 'adult' item and get same.
asciilifeform: one or two stuck screws, and the hex slot in it , becomes circular.
asciilifeform: to take entirely random example, top-of-the-line 'wiha' multihead screwdrivers, ALL now have plastic handles
asciilifeform: i've lost count of how many times i buy a not-the-cheapest $tool, and after 2-3 uses it crumbles into, literally, dust, and then buy 'nice' one, which half the time has been chinafied/plasticized already into very close resemblance to the el cheapo item, sometimes beyond any meaningful diff
asciilifeform: makes for quite as effective a ritual object as titanium
asciilifeform: quite so, when NOBODY USES
asciilifeform: i shit thee not
asciilifeform: e.g., harbour freight corp., sells lathes (not tiny ones, either, but proper-sized) with PLASTIC GEARS
asciilifeform: no shortage of these.
asciilifeform: quite like
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: i've yet to personally meet the howard hughes who buys cable by trainload for ~own house~.
asciilifeform: the folx who buy by the trainload, generally are happy to pass the scam on to their retail chumps tho.
asciilifeform: (if you buy by the hundy - you're a gnat, and will be hitting nobody with nothing)
asciilifeform: i suppose you could, if you buy by the trainload & get shafted there
asciilifeform: half the time you pay 2-3x for the Real Deal, and get Al.
asciilifeform: you gotta test it, when you buy
asciilifeform: didja know it is nearly impossible to buy pure-cu ethernet snake ?
asciilifeform: (sc4mz0rz invariably cu-plate it, to deceive simple-minded buyer)
asciilifeform: much less ductile than copper, and it frays.
asciilifeform: questionable metallurgy is another thing. not only pb-free solder, but, e.g., aluminum wire.
asciilifeform: 'all wire frays' 'really nao? i have wire here from 1940s that is frayed in 0 places'
asciilifeform: because 'mine is still in great shape after 5yrs' 'how many times you used it' 'umm... 1? 2?'
asciilifeform: the other hypothesis that invites itself is the tlp/mp 'ceremonial object' one. the, e.g., static mat, was sold on a www with reviews, and not necessarily faux ones. many satisfied sheeples own various tools and NEVER USE, and they -- are quite happy!
asciilifeform: i must echo the words of mircea_popescu's electric heater article, and say, that such a thing could never appear by chance, someone busted his arse to design something so malignantly anti-functional .
asciilifeform: had to bend it so it would sit even moderately still and make contact
asciilifeform: because the thing that was supposed to sit in the socket, would wiggle, like 'hotdog in hallway'
asciilifeform: was ok antenna even when new
asciilifeform: each hanging by hair's breadth of wire now.
asciilifeform: even simple thing, that i would have bet money no one could fuck up -- fucked up. ~year ago i bought 'antistatic mat', conductive rubber thing with coiled cord that goes to ground pin of mains socket, etc. that cord is now frayed in 11 places.
asciilifeform: (the speakers -- did not care.)
asciilifeform: i recall i threw one just like this out, and kept , to my grief, its transformer. which then nuked $1000+ worth of various iron i connected it to, because the voltage it put out was actually ~double what was on the sticker.
asciilifeform: aaah those
asciilifeform: they burn out ?
asciilifeform: unleaded solder ftw.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform recently bought a 'top of the line' civilian motherboard, and as soon as being lifted from the crate, it shed a few 0805 capacitors
asciilifeform: 'what could be better than 800KB of makefile! and perl to make the makefile!'
asciilifeform: lol megaunsurprise.
asciilifeform: and i was quite surprised when starting trb and noticing that it was absent there.
asciilifeform: it is pestilential in opensores world.
asciilifeform idly wonders if prb is infested, yet, with automakeism
asciilifeform: quite likely.
asciilifeform: (but if someone ~else~ wants to take the diff, and write article -- do not hesitate)
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma put this on (long) list of things-must-be-done
asciilifeform: we won't be welding gnu mpi onto anything permanent.
asciilifeform: the other thing is that i'm not entirely convinced that i was barking up a useful tree there.
asciilifeform: it was literally a week+ of sawing off #includes, nixing #ifdef's, moving blocks of code from 1,001 places and deduplicating, etc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i actually sat down to write a long and painfully pedantic piece about what i did, but gave up, let the diff speak for itself ☟︎
asciilifeform: killing automake cut the size of the thing literally in half.
asciilifeform: it was also a demo of the utter malignant idiocy of automake (zapped! and you won't miss it, thing builds on all major unixlikes with a single 'make')
asciilifeform: there were tentacles throughout.
asciilifeform: ( found here, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 )
asciilifeform: re 'open sores', even a ~very~ small gadget, and in fact one that started life as a stand-alone library: mpi (bignum) piece of gpg 1.4, was quite astonishingly painful to properly saw off the kochball