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Darwin_Fish: sorry, don't follow
the logic. If
there is no difference, what's
the difference.
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, you ever heard
that quip,
that "in
theory,
there's no difference between
theory and practice ; in practice,
there is" ? "theologically,
there's no difference between
theology and religion. but religiously..."
Darwin_Fish: what's
the difference between
theology and religion?
mircea_popescu: but we're discussing
theology not religion. cryptography is eminently not a religion. in fact, i'm
the frirst one
to have ever said anything remotely like
the foregoing, and it's giving crypto people hives just reading it.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: im
trying
to apply what you said
to IP
mircea_popescu: i'll propose something
to you : inasmuch as one is in a better position understanding god for god, rather
than understanding god for what some guy said, cryptography is
the most direct path
to divinity.
mircea_popescu: NOTHING however sums
to 0, not in reality, becasuse
there's no negative integers in reality.
mircea_popescu: if i have a message, which is not null, i can package
that message in any string of any arbitrary sized chunklets. so your observing 8+16+24+8+8 does not
tell you whether you observed 5 null messages, or a 64 message, or 4 16s, or anything else.
zx2c4: these are broad and hand-wavy. im
trying
to find some real meat here
to analyse
mircea_popescu: whereas
the proper definition of "general purpose" is
the one mentioned, "which makes no assumptions about
the userland".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i suppose at work might be a confusion between what-some-idiots-might-be-thinking-retroconstructed-on-the-flimsy-basis-of-how-they-behave, where "general purpose os" means "the sprinkle of magic
turning
the computer from a computer
to anything i want it
to be, which is
to say a
tool
that magicvally works for any purpose i might come up with, especially
the nonsensical and self-contradictory ones".
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: could you elaborate your argument on why you
think
the 0 response is different from
the 16, 32, 48, etc response? spare me
the hand-wavy "its always an invariant!" arguments. can you give some real security analysis of what you have in mind? am willing
to
take your concern seriously if
theres a good case for it
mircea_popescu: then
they moved
to a non-general purpose os, and alf
threw a fit because
the
thing
took
time
to boot or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the best example i can
think of is
the code on
the old handheld calculators.
THAT is a general purpose os : it makes no assumption about
the downstream, merely fully, cleanly and directly exposes
the hardware.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: spyked, i don't see how
this distinction works. what does "eliminate word from vocabulary" even mean, you'll
take out some classes/dependencies/whatever out of a pile of lines of code, leaving a
them-shaped hole behind.
danielpbarron: lemme know when's a good
time
to do
the atruechurch Q&A
spyked: in fact 90% of blogpost was purely a discussion on
terminology. eliminate "general purpose os" from head and you're left only with means
to create a sane system.
danielpbarron: i still like
them. wasn't
trying
to do harm with
the post. it was my intention
to move on after
that season, just didn't
think it'd get cut short is all
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 14:45 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799724 <<
this is
the equivalent of "designing" a caveroom.
tell you what : if your approach is substractive, no systems engineering
took place.
the guy hacking a motorcycle out of
two broken cars isn't an industrialist, he's a scavenger.
these are fundamentally, and radically, different
things.
spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799833 <-- but!
the a, b examples I gave were *not* in any sense subtractive, read again. and by "eliminate" I mean,
the words from vocabulary, unlearn
them,
throw
to
trash bin (hence "systematically"!), *not* "take monolith and prod it with
toothpick"
☝︎ mircea_popescu: aaaand omfg, caught up with
the logs!
that... was painless.
mircea_popescu: ftr, i
thought your post was quite elegant, 99% of bloggers, begginner or otherwise, would have fallen into
the ditch of "oh, i r allmighty powerful deity, i crush your companee!!!" nonsense.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 14:06 danielpbarron: got a message from my former employer
that
they "Have a service" and were notified of my blog post. hows
that for seo? i'm not even
trying
to game
the search
ascii_lander: moar with economy of scale (e.g.
the impracticality of rolling out a new IC for every new
thing)
mircea_popescu: ascii_lander,
this is not a problem with modern industry as much as it's a problem with
the EXTREME cognitive cost of design.
mircea_popescu: buildings, however, are a very opposite attempt :
the dismal resistance of air (and see also un prophete discussion of winds here) and
the minimal and well understood constraint of gravity allow enough free space for design
to be a
thing.
☟︎ ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: 1 problem with 'modern' industry is
that virtually every design includes elements of 'hack old cars
that were ~given~ into new motorcycle'
mircea_popescu: as a matter of fact,
there's no design in cave rooms : you will dig where
the soil [read: resistence of
the medium] permits you
to dig, and
that is all.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 10:05 spyked:
then moving from
this approach you can systematically eliminate e.g. "pdf library" or e.g. "udev" or e.g. "protected mode" or everything else
that is not *needed* for
the system, not just userland (if
there should be anything such as "a userland" at all in
there)
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799724 <<
this is
the equivalent of "designing" a caveroom.
tell you what : if your approach is substractive, no systems engineering
took place.
the guy hacking a motorcycle out of
two broken cars isn't an industrialist, he's a scavenger.
these are fundamentally, and radically, different
things.
☝︎☟︎ ascii_lander: can't
think of why else. couldn't be for
the burned old
tyre
they serve as 'coffee'
mircea_popescu: they put pegasus
turds in
those cups didn';t you know.
mircea_popescu: nah.
the line really was for whitehoorse riding prince charmings.
ascii_lander: speaking of 'for all', i saw (on 2 consec. days!) a sight
that must be seen
to be believed : 500+ gurlz standing in line. for what? for 'starbucks'
mircea_popescu: "tourism" you know. as if
that fucking counts as
travel. "totally not brownstone
tenement sir" british houses consisting of 1.7 sq ft of garden in front, and "bbq space" behind.
mircea_popescu: ascii_lander,
there has yet not existed such a system where
the
top wasn't leisurely.
the "leisure / no leisure" discussion contrasts "leisure for all" with "leisure for some"
mircea_popescu: leisure is a precondition for
the many aspect of civilisation whereby woman sits on ass all day yakking annoyingly.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:37 zx2c4: i'm not saying everyone with leisure _does_ do something worthwhile with it. but you cant deny
that leisure is in many cases a necessary precondition for many great aspects of civilization
ascii_lander: and
the reason, i suspect, is
that in usa
the young gurlz are
trying
to 'become clitler'
ascii_lander was just nao having a quite mircea_popescuine 'as above, so below'
thought : in usa, hotel maids are invariably bags, in ~every~ orcistan -- pretty gurlz
mircea_popescu: but
those are
the
two and
the only
two ways
to bring back loot for your
trouble.
mircea_popescu: so, if your desert march results in a jewel of code, a la ffa, sure. if your desert march results in ample "lulz" as we call
them, ie, intricate, unforgiving documentation of orcs' idiocy, sure.
mircea_popescu: the one where he has a lot of fun / sees a lot of
things / is all impressed /
tastes all
the
tomatoes IS NOT useful.
mircea_popescu: and more generally :
there's
two kinds of sallies a gentleman may engage in.
the one is where he comes back with a boatload of gold/tomatoes/whatever.
the other is where he comes bacl with a well written
tale of his
travels.
ascii_lander: mod6: it really doesn't hurt
to 'piss on
the electric fence yourself' and see what i meant.
mircea_popescu: if you just keep
the results in your skull, it's better
to not go.
mircea_popescu: understand
the important point here : such marches in
the desert are ONLY useful if well documented.
mod6: Just sayin', wasn't waste of
time for me
to do it, just
thought I'd report my findings.
mircea_popescu: mod6, i could have saved you
the
time, i guess, but
then again IF you publish a detailed discussion
then we have
that.
ascii_lander: mod6: i
tried
to do
this at one point, ended up burning it all in disgust, and wrote shiva ( which
then i sadly abandoned for reasons amply discussed in log )
mod6: Of course, we have other
tasks such as re-doing wallet, how we dump all keys from wallet, and others. Just
thought I'd venture in and see what was what.
mod6: In other
tales from
the
TRB: I spent a solid chunk of
time
this weekend
trying
to backport all of
the rpc rawtx functions from upstream prb. Just
to see if it was workable, and an educational endevour.
This is not going
to be a
thing.
They change
tons of baseclasses and introduce a variety of new ones. Going forward, I
think
these will just be reimplmented in a
trb-fashion.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 01:40 BingoBoingo: So, I don't want
to spoil alf adventures in Uruguay, but... He loves
the cheese here
mircea_popescu: "so in which sense is it a
taj mahal
then ?" "they say so.
that gotta count for something, beyond any consideration of form or substance" "notrly" "TERRORIST!"
mircea_popescu: sorta like a
taj mahal made out of pet bottles in
the approximate shape of clinton's nose.
mircea_popescu: such a credible effort,
that shitpile. imo ethereum is very useful in
the following sense : it shows EXACTLY what bitcoin'd have been like if it occured
to
the ustards.
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: i read it, it was a snoar, ethertards doing
their 'unhappen
this eggog, unlose some shitcoin'
thing again.
mircea_popescu: as
there's not enough room in reality for both
their larpings,
they eventually split,
there's a useless "new" php without mysql and a similarily useless "new" mysql withouyt php now.
that neitjher were ANYTHING other
than "one piece of LAMP, which exists STRICTLY because
tmsr v 0.1 says it does" entirely wooshes over all
their herads.
mircea_popescu: but
then
their successors,
two groups of dweebs with sparse goatees, really REALLY don't believe
they're just gunk on ancients' unremarkable cogs in a larger system.
ascii_lander is prolly
the least in-shape d00d in
this whole city atm
mircea_popescu: phf,
there's been
this ancient grudge between "mysql people" and "php people" in
the following sense : in
the 90s,
the "foss community" consisted of a sad indeology-lite republic
that still had enough people
to get shit done.
they needed an egine for
their "revolution" which was
to be centered around "the web", a shoddy, ill conceived can of mostly "make it easy for people
to participate AND IT WILL
TAKE OVER
THE WORLD [of pe
mod6: Was
that heavy-wet snow, very difficult
to manage without blower/plow.
mod6: iirc posted a pic once upon a
time even.
mod6: mircea_popescu: no,
thankfully. I'd probably have died. I have a mean-snowblower.
ascii_lander: also interestingly , BB looked much healthier
than in his early pic, he has physique of cosmonaut now, from living here
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 22:25 phf: esthlos: mysqli appears
to be a force pushed buggy replacement for original php mysql driver (the usual "deprecated!!1"
tricks, while missing features and introducing creative bugs)
ascii_lander: even such fabled items as BingoBoingo's hostel, are not quite what i expected.
there's moar sunlight, walkable space, etc
there,
than in my house!
mod6: it was /bad/, got like 15"
total.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 18:49 mod6: jesus christ, 1 foot of snow in
the last 24 hours, and it isn't even stopping.
mircea_popescu: well, it's sealed, but
the seals are made in
tiera de lfuego. leak lots.
ascii_lander: and
the ~other~ one is its ukraine, not vice-versa
ascii_lander: and i'm beginning
to suspect
that
they moved
the real argentina here
mircea_popescu: you're so funny, you know, spend a whole year all dour and
then go out for like a week and be all "squeeee"
danielpbarron: got a message from my former employer
that
they "Have a service" and were notified of my blog post. hows
that for seo? i'm not even
trying
to game
the search
☟︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: [medium brown, but dot-injun as opposed
to African surgeon]
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo:
The operation succeeded.