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asciilifeform: Framedragger: mircea_popescu had a more recent discussion re 'sybil constellations'
asciilifeform: if we were on mars and paid a buck a byte for bw, it'd almost make sense
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm not pulling out the fucking launch codes to sign a beobachter url omfg
asciilifeform: *few sec
asciilifeform: (a standard heathen browser loads same crud in a fee sec)
asciilifeform: it is not only closed-rando, but takes eons.
asciilifeform: *thought about
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom! ☝︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: *as in sega
asciilifeform: i at one point wanted to use the mighty 'super-H' (ss in sega) chip, salivated over the manual, but turned out, all the dev tools from vendor are microshitian, and even the ~example sources~ wouldn't unpack without some microturd
asciilifeform: phf: the part where jp is pathologically, direly, trapped in winblowzland, is actually true. ☟︎
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: (easier in the sense that the perpetrator does not risk having his withholdchain invalidated by a 'wild' tx being included twice (dun ask me why this would be a concern, but we DO know that they program with arse muscles) or conceivably mined by another
asciilifeform: adlai: there is an even simpler plausible hypothesis - that it is simply easier to build the massive blockwithhold-chains the cartel builds, if one does ~not~ include wild tx-en in'em
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: that orbitz was only 1 foot in lisp planet, and had the most cpu-intensive piece in cpp.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to dan weinreb (who died a couplea years ago; was one of the key smbx folx, and then -- much later -- also the orbitz air tickets thing) wrote (on his www, that is now vanished, though archive.org might have snapshot),
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the air tickets thing -- worx, i've used it many times, fwiw.
asciilifeform: a while ago.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they bought it (acquihire) for ~$1B
asciilifeform: or is there a storehouse with actual germans still in it, in cryostorage, next to the nazi ufo and atomic bell ?
asciilifeform: which one 'won't stand for it', the bearded d00dz enjoying themselves on rapesafari, or the chix ?
asciilifeform: lol germanpublic
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque repairs on phuctor are complete and the rss feed again consists strictly of genuinely-phuctored mods. the werker will be re-enabled tonight. it is safe to switch the feed back on.
asciilifeform: possibly others. ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman , iirc, tested.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << the gentoo recipe thread. ☝︎
asciilifeform: there is a very long history of this kind of nonsense that is ~very~ difficult to overlook.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: understand that 'this product is not for the public, it is for YOUR VEEERY SPESHUL EYES' patternmatches scamolade.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: notice, for example, that complete schematic, cpld, etc. for FUCKGOATS is posted on www.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: consider posting, publicly, the ad film. if this enables 'idiot' to immediately replicate your work, then there was not so much to it, neh ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: entirely leaving aside the particulars of your product, i must confess that i get an impression that gabriel_laddel_p is not himself entirely certain yet how it is that he wants to do business, and with whom, on what terms.
asciilifeform: well you did use phrase 'republican pockets' rather than ' gabriel_laddel_p's pockets '
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: you want someone among the people here to work as your sales rep ? or wat
asciilifeform: if you ~actually need~ their money, your business model is already catastrophically ill-conceived.
asciilifeform: why do you care what the idiots who would consider bastardized product may or may not do ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: what do you suppose might happen if idiots were to get hold of a copy ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: it gives an impression that , i suspect, you do not want
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: while we have you on the line, plz consider taking a few min to explain the rationale for 'product is ready for selling' but at the same time 'video is not ready for public eye'
asciilifeform: ok...
asciilifeform: uh
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: did you ever get it to the point where it installs on hdd ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: for so long as the x86 idiocy persists, this will remain.
asciilifeform: phf: i also have some dead smbx 'xl' boards i got to decap & photo dies, but also never did it, and probably won't live long enough
asciilifeform: atm i'd settle for ~any~ useful schematics..
asciilifeform: lolk
asciilifeform: medieval-style preservation.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598485 << fwiw it is exactly why i was doing it, likewise. ☝︎
asciilifeform: but all in indianajoneswarehouse nao.
asciilifeform: phf: i have indirect clues that there ~were~ docs, and superb ones at that
asciilifeform: but iirc that ended.
asciilifeform: at one point there was a probate judge involved also
asciilifeform: afaik.
asciilifeform: them 3, plus the 'customer' (handler) at fort somethingorother, makes all of modern-day symbolics corp.
asciilifeform: he's got the emulator src.
asciilifeform: there is also a 3rd d00d, kalman reti, who i have not met nor know anyone who has
asciilifeform: 0 theory.
asciilifeform: the other d00d, who asciilifeform and phf both met, is schmidt, and he's a salt-of-the-earth mechanic sort of fella
asciilifeform: (a good chunk of the logistics code in u.s. dod that actually ~works~ runs on smbx. TO THIS DAY.)
asciilifeform: he's sitting on'em for massah.
asciilifeform: phf: and i'm pretty sure that mallery is an nsa asset.
asciilifeform: having the physical 3620, was, interestingly enough, ~useless.
asciilifeform: all i got, for the most part, is what is in the wall-o-deadtree manuals, and what i gleaned from reversing 'snap4' binary in ida. ☟︎
asciilifeform: some details of the low level arch might be interesting though.
asciilifeform: phf: no rush, it is not as if we had a chip fab in which to make clones, or even particularly want to make clone (i have 0 interest in perpetuating 20 years of mit undergrad young cocklet crapolade code)
asciilifeform: phf: neato
asciilifeform: *about the folly of them
asciilifeform: incidentally did phf ever post any of his smbx finds ?
asciilifeform: it was not a wholly bad read, had chip die porn etc.
asciilifeform: i have that paper. it was ~2pgs and about as useful as their sales brochure.
asciilifeform: iirc one of the 'death of symbolics' treatises went on at length about the follow of them NOT having made any attempt to market their chip synthesis stack as a commercial offering
asciilifeform: as the scheme83 chip was never put into commercial production and afaik existed never more than in handful qty.
asciilifeform: also it would astonish me if the build process did NOT depend on having a working cadr around
asciilifeform: and remains buried in indiana jones vault.
asciilifeform: phf: i excavated my binder and found the item you had just linked. where dpl is described in approx same level of detail as eurisko's 'rtl' was in the lenatleaks thing. but i am now beginning to suspect that it got 'symbolicsized', e.g., subsumed into the properties they licensed from mit
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma get back re subj after digging through the dead trees
asciilifeform: phf: yer wrong. i have whole thing in a 3ring here.
asciilifeform: phf: probably hofstadter
asciilifeform: also neato
asciilifeform: (best if you have 'hooks', in this case infrequent words and phrases to latch onto)
asciilifeform: theoretically ought to work on anybody with large body of text. in practice, certain text works better than other
asciilifeform: i had this itch 2+ yrs ago but my evil plan was to make it simply eat the collected works of mircea_popescu rather than explicit rules
asciilifeform: !#s popescutron
asciilifeform: trinque: it was an interesting document, at one point i linked it here
asciilifeform: trinque: zetalisp (nonstandardized but exceptionally well-documented smbx lispm lisp) ~was~ specified from low-level machine model
asciilifeform: trinque: c fails even at this, consider the atrocity of 'endianism', word sizes, and 101 other variations that break a c proggy
asciilifeform: considering that the standard was a product of a truce between competing lispm vendors, it is not mega-surprise. but trinque is right.
asciilifeform: 'At one point in time I reviewed ALL CL codebases.' << d00d read & fit-in-head all of macsyma ? i'd luv to see.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in this century 'lisp people' tend to resemble holyromanempire's 'roman people'
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: it is slightly older than asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: published design, and not only design, but the mask generator (runs on, i shit thee not, itself, also) ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'lisp trb' is sussman's 'scheme83' chip. ☟︎
asciilifeform: afaik it is an open problem, and reduces to 'set knob to arbitary place you can live with'
asciilifeform: i dunno how mircea_popescu cuts the knot of distinguishing (say, among his pets) 'slow learner' from 'militant ignoramus'
asciilifeform: it is ridiculous, and i swore it off.
asciilifeform: but all patience is finite.
asciilifeform: eh i had more than the appropriate measure of sympathy for the poor bugger because laboured under the impression that he, fwiw, was a monster i had an indirect hand in creating
asciilifeform: who needs wings, engines, etc.
asciilifeform: also gabriel_laddel inspired me to invent new type of aircraft propulsion system. take ordinary house, and SLOWLY & SURELY excavate a few km of earth from underneath it !